HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

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He wouldve played with the puck a lot more, executed more plays, learned more limits, developped new ways to problem solve, found new abilities, fine tuned motor skills (especially his shot.)

Its okay, at the end of the day you were right, the Habs shoulrve picked Tkachuk because they didnt have a plan to develop KK, I wish they did too, it doesnt mean you have to ignore reality.
Even if you think he could have been “developed” better, he still was way too big of a project to consider at 3. Like basically everything needed to be “developed” lol. Strength, skating, balance, agility, puck skills, shot, etc etc
 
Montembeault always had an intriguing blend of size and athleticism. Sometimes it takes goalies longer to put it all together, but that seemed to happen this year. Not saying he’s a sure fire elite #1, but he’s at least earned the right to be part of a tandem with Allen for next year.
I don’t think he’s really athletic - he’s more of a Giguere style, big body, get in the way and let pucks hit him rather than actually athletically ‘making saves’
Probably better positioning, tracking and not swimming in crease as much led to better season. Not sure where he goes from here tho in therms of being more than a good back up.
 
So we went from Michkov, to Smith, to Benson, to Leonard, to Reinbacher, to Axel Sandin-Pellikka... By the time we reach the draft, we may have people argue that we should take Hrabal at #5.
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And with the 5th OA we draft….whoever this guy is sitting in row 213.

We really like seat 213’s confidence and hockey IQ. We think Adam Nicholas can work with him to overcome his obvious physical and talent shortcomings. We’re not sure if he knows how to skate but we trust in Adam’s ability to develop potential

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Wright-obsessed haters think only Slafkovsky can be moulded and developed, and Shane Wright cannot improve in any way whatsoever. I don't really care about Shane Wright but I hope that Slafkovsky really can be moulded and developed because he was not NHL ready and wasn't NHL ready when he suffered a season-ending injury that took him out for 40+ games.

Could the Habs have developed Brady Tkachuk? I doubt it. They would've failed him like they did nearly every prospect they got their hands on.
Shane Wright doesn’t have that dawg in him. You can teach him to refine certain aspects in his game, but you can’t make him want it more than Slafkovsky. That type of stuff is natural. And Wright has shown it in two OHL playoffs and now an AHL playoff.

“I deserve to go 1st” Why? Because you were less important than Francesco Acuri and Paul Ludwinski in the playoffs? f*** off.
 
I think he is, personally.

He's not shaking and baking or anything, but that's not his game the same way Shea Weber never shaked or baked anyone.

Just the defensive and puck poise is unreal with his physical gifts. His panic threshold is incredible, he's able to twist and turn away from the forecheck and keep the offense pointing in the right direction always. In zone, he's always looking to create odd man advantages, jump into space, and get his shot off.

People like the Seider comparison and it may be unlikely that the offensive tools shake out that way and develop the way Seider's did.. but I think the defensive upside and ability on Reinbacher is actually more than Seider's.

Like I've said before, Reinbacher doesn't bring the sex appeal.. but I think people are underrating just how massively important an all situations right hand defenseman with size and skating, that always moves the play and offense forward for a team, is for a team.

I'm taking one of the top 5 if I had a choice, but if we are hell bent on not taking Michkov. Reinbacher is right there.
I wanted Mercer over Guhle, as non slick offensive D are so boring to draft…but you win with those guys. Our D core would be best in league in a couple years with Reinbacher I think.
 
Even if you think he could have been “developed” better, he still was way too big of a project to consider at 3. Like basically everything needed to be “developed” lol. Strength, skating, balance, agility, puck skills, shot, etc etc

Yes. The value wasn't there for the higher variance. Why take him ahead of the best skater in the draft, a defenseman who scored about as much as Tkachuk for instance?

But also, he has much more than you've ever given him credit for. He's better than severla players who you had pegged ahead of him. Borgström, for instance, is now a confirmed bust. Stick a fork in him, he's done, going to Sweden. Whatever he has, because clearly in your opinion he has nothing, we could have gotten more out of. That's all we're arguing.
 
Yes. The value wasn't there for the higher variance. Why take him ahead of the best skater in the draft, a defenseman who outscored Tkachuk for instance?

But also, he has much more than you've ever given him credit for. He's better than severla players who you had pegged ahead of him. Borgström, for instance, is now a confirmed bust. Stick a fork in him, he's done, going to Sweden. Whatever he has, because clearly in your opinion he has nothing, we could have gotten more out of. That's all we're arguing.
Borgstrom? I don’t even remember who that is lol
 
Borgstrom? I don’t even remember who that is lol


Turns out he is, and then some.
 

Turns out he is, and then some.
I truly don’t even remember who that is lmao

Guess we all say a million things on here.
 
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I think that was a mental slip up actually, I said a few times how I thought Kotkaniemi was being overrated as people thought he was this years Elias Pettersson.

Anyways. Kournianos is losing the plot on the mainboard, so I will ask you and others here: why should we take Dvorsky ahead of Reinbacher when Reinbacher outproduced and outplayed him in a better league? Reinbacher was playing big minutes, Dvorsky was scratched in the playoffs.

Go.
 
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Anyways. Kournianos is losing the plot on the mainboard, so I will ask you and others here: why should we take Dvorsky ahead of Reinbacher when Reinbacher outproduced and outplayed him in a better league? Reinbacher was playing big minutes, Dvorsky was scratched in the playoffs.

Go.
Very simply, this is a great example of why raw production can be misleading. I think your last couple of points explain your first two- Reinbacher was given more opportunity on his team. There are a million reasons for this. Watching Dvorskys league play, he was playing down the lineup and with beer league talent. He’d often see things that they couldn’t. Sometimes teams don’t play and trust their youngsters as Habs fans should know. Reinbacher on the other hand benefitted from greater usage as well as plenty of puck luck. I’d love for someone to compile a video of every point he had as most of his production was not coming from “great plays” from him, but rather great plays from others or a rebound etc etc
 
Very simply, this is a great example of why raw production can be misleading. I think your last couple of points explain your first two- Reinbacher was given more opportunity on his team. There are a million reasons for this. Watching Dvorskys league play, he was playing down the lineup and with beer league talent. He’d often see things that they couldn’t. Sometimes teams don’t play and trust their youngsters as Habs fans should know. Reinbacher on the other hand benefitted from greater usage as well as plenty of puck luck. I’d love for someone to compile a video of every point he had as most of his production was not coming from “great plays” from him, but rather great plays from others or a rebound etc etc

So, your argument is that Dvorsky should have been given more minutes, and Reinbacher was given minutes that he didn't earn?

I was expecting something more like ''Dvorsky has such and such tool which is better than anything Reinbacher has.''
 
So, your argument is that Dvorsky should have been given more minutes, and Reinbacher was given minutes that he didn't earn?

I was expecting something more like ''Dvorsky has such and such tool which is better than anything Reinbacher has.''
You asked about production, and I explained that. Not knocking Reinbacher for the minutes he got, but Dvorsky in a different situation could have been a lot more productive.
 
If I'm picking a dman at 5 he needs to be dynamic and able to run a PP. I dont see that in Reinbacher. I think he tops out at a # 3 dman. He's a great prospect but I think he's a reach at 5. If he wasn't RH I don't think he would be in the discussion for the Habs pick which tells me he's a pick for need not the BPA. This is likely Montreal last top 5 pick for a while and I would like to see a dynamic player drafted. Reinbacher and Slaf out of the last 2 top 5 draft picks is underwhelming for me.
 
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If I'm picking a dman at 5 he needs to be dynamic and able to run a PP. I dont see that in Reinbacher. I think he tops out at a # 3 dman. He's a great prospect but I think he's a reach at 5. If he wasn't RH I don't think he would be in the discussion for the Habs pick which tells me he's a pick for need not the BPA. This is likely Montreal last top 5 pick for a while and I would like to see a dynamic player drafted. Reinbacher and Slaf out of the last 2 top 5 draft picks is underwhelming for me.
Why does he have to have those qualities? Ekblad doesn’t run the PP for the Panthers and he’s fine. Slavin for the Canes as well, but they are happy with him. I’d rather draft a defenceman that is elite 5v5, which is how 80% of the game is played. Add the fact he can be really good on the PK, that means elite 90% of the time.
 
I think it's a pretty silly statement to say that there's a negligible difference in development between teams.

Look at what Hughes and Gorton had to implement on our team, alone. Bergevin was running one guy for development and eventually added Bouillon. Neither of those guys were a skills coach like Adam Nicholas.

They didn't build out development plans.
They didn't have KPIs.
They didn't provide people with access to skill coaches.
They didn't have analytics departments.
They had more prospects and players then people to manage them.

Bergevin got exactly what he put into development. Nothing.
I agree with this statement but I have to add that we are at year 1 of the HuGo revolution.

Maybe in 5 years we would not praise them that much even with all their efforts. Let's just say I was not impressed with how we handled Slafkovsky last year which is a big worry because he is one of the most important piece of the puzzle in our rebuild.
 
If I'm picking a dman at 5 he needs to be dynamic and able to run a PP. I dont see that in Reinbacher. I think he tops out at a # 3 dman. He's a great prospect but I think he's a reach at 5. If he wasn't RH I don't think he would be in the discussion for the Habs pick which tells me he's a pick for need not the BPA. This is likely Montreal last top 5 pick for a while and I would like to see a dynamic player drafted. Reinbacher and Slaf out of the last 2 top 5 draft picks is underwhelming for me.
Completely agree, Reinbacher is a reach at 5 OA as in most drafts there are multiple dmen better than him and he is receiving some kind of weird boost in value by fans because he is the consensus top RHD available. He is not a top 10 pick in the vast majority of drafts imo, especially in a strong top ten such as this year's class.

He is a very good prospect but we will be able to draft a similarly talented defender next year picking 5-10 spots later in the draft......the same can not remotely be said about a forward. If HuGo make the mistake of reaching for position I will be annoyed but I will be able to live with it because I do like Reinbacher and he fits neatly into a glaring hole.
 
He has a lot of work ahead especially his defensive game and his skating but the rest is all at a very high level.

His skating is ok and will not be a problem, his ankles are a little stiff and he could use a little more bend to help drive him but these are tweaks that might just naturally sort themselves out with more training and added lower body strength.

The defensive issues are common in almost every 18 year old, and is common with the USNDTP where they are running a Harlem Globe Trotter sideshow much of the time.
 
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Completely agree, Reinbacher is a reach at 5 OA as in most drafts there are multiple dmen better than him and he is receiving some kind of weird boost in value by fans because he is the consensus top RHD available. He is not a top 10 pick in the vast majority of drafts imo, especially in a strong top ten such as this year's class.

He is a very good prospect but we will be able to draft a similarly talented defender next year picking 5-10 spots later in the draft......the same can not remotely be said about a forward. If HuGo make the mistake of reaching for position I will be annoyed but I will be able to live with it because I do like Reinbacher and he fits neatly into a glaring hole.
I'm not saying reinbacher is comparable to his game but he's giving me soderstrom vibes circa 2019
 
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