It’s the KHL. I would not be surprised if owners slide a briefcase of cash to their top players. They will have their salary that counts against their cap and then that bonus money is just bonus money.
HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2
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It’s the KHL. I would not be surprised if owners slide a briefcase of cash to their top players. They will have their salary that counts against their cap and then that bonus money is just bonus money.
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Yes this fanbase has been traumatized into chronic underachievement. I’m so sorry we have to endure this attitude year after year.So we went from Michkov, to Smith, to Benson, to Leonard, to Reinbacher, to Axel Sandin-Pellikka... By the time we reach the draft, we may have people argue that we should take Hrabal at #5.
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jellybeans
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Both are very skilled just can't stand Matthew but love Brady.Even if Matthew would be a hab i would total dislike him.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I don't think they have any interest in Ethan Gauthier. They have more than enough of that profile.
June 28th. Kent Hughes steps up to the podium and says..
''Le Canadien de Montreal est fier de selectionner, The Montreal Canadiens are proud to select, from either the USNTDP, AIK, or Winnipeg Ice of the WHL, the better of Ryan Leonard, Zach Benson, or Dalibor Dvorsky in 5 years time.''
Yes, they're very skilled.
In particular, the lesson I personally took from Tkachuk vs KK is that you have to be getting something for the added variance. Tkachuk had fewer flaws, better tools, and is bigger and stronger. Their league normalized productions were pretty similar, so why take the added risk?
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Why take the added risk and then take the worst path toward developing that player.
We all know I didn't want Brady at the draft, but if you're Bergevin. You suck at player development. You have traditionally targeted players like Brady.. that seemed like the biggest no brain decision for him and he didn't make it.
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Wright-obsessed haters think only Slafkovsky can be moulded and developed, and Shane Wright cannot improve in any way whatsoever. I don't really care about Shane Wright but I hope that Slafkovsky really can be moulded and developed because he was not NHL ready and wasn't NHL ready when he suffered a season-ending injury that took him out for 40+ games.
Could the Habs have developed Brady Tkachuk? I doubt it. They would've failed him like they did nearly every prospect they got their hands on.
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I don't think there is a big 4 or a big 5 or a huge drop off after it. For example, i think we can have an argument about Smith VS Dvorsky or Leonard. I also think we can have an argument about Fantilli vs Smith.
There is Bedard. Then there is Michkov with the obvious Russian things.
The rest, like i said, i think some team may prefer Smith over Fantilli or Carlsson. Another team may prefer Leonard or Dvorsky for other reasons. Every player in this tier has their strenghts and their flaws. We are in a more speculative tier imo similar to Slaf/Wright/Cooley last year. I don't think Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Michkov are the surefire 2-5 in whatever order. We may be surprise at who fall in our lap at 5.
f***ing Leroux said No Michkov to Habs, but he also said Fantilli at 5. We will see.
There is Bedard. Then there is Michkov with the obvious Russian things.
The rest, like i said, i think some team may prefer Smith over Fantilli or Carlsson. Another team may prefer Leonard or Dvorsky for other reasons. Every player in this tier has their strenghts and their flaws. We are in a more speculative tier imo similar to Slaf/Wright/Cooley last year. I don't think Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Michkov are the surefire 2-5 in whatever order. We may be surprise at who fall in our lap at 5.
f***ing Leroux said No Michkov to Habs, but he also said Fantilli at 5. We will see.
I think it would have gone much better in Montreal than it did for KK. Less things had to go right, he was more physically prepared for the NHL, etc. etc.
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It’s hard to disagree — I just don’t trust the Habs of the Bergevin-Timmins era to develop high end forwards.
Jaynki
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Wait, they did develop in 10 years...... Absolutely nobody!
We will ignore the fact that they made KK go away and that they almost burned Caufield. Holy smokes.
I'm sorry but I disagree. I do think youre in the minority on this. He's steadily improved and his .910 save percentage came in his most recent year. Playing behind 5 rookie defencemen. Not sure how that doesn't indicate a "good" goalie in the making. Let's see what he does on a healthy team at least.
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Shane Wright has a superficially impressive package. He’s got decent size, he has a deadly shot, he’s an elite finisher, good skater and speed.
But he had that bunch of problems that seemed fixable but now really seem very engrained. Moving his feet, carying the puck, challenging physically for a puck, taking a check to make a play, going in all the dirty areas. Those lapses become very visible during playoffs.
Some other skaters could learn to fix that but there’s been little improvements in one year. My theory is he has an existential dislike of being hit which affects everything else.
For those that try to parallel this with Will Smith it doesn't work. He is not shy at all about physical contact. And his offensive intelligence and vision blow Wright out of the water.
But he had that bunch of problems that seemed fixable but now really seem very engrained. Moving his feet, carying the puck, challenging physically for a puck, taking a check to make a play, going in all the dirty areas. Those lapses become very visible during playoffs.
Some other skaters could learn to fix that but there’s been little improvements in one year. My theory is he has an existential dislike of being hit which affects everything else.
For those that try to parallel this with Will Smith it doesn't work. He is not shy at all about physical contact. And his offensive intelligence and vision blow Wright out of the water.
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Tkachuk was ready made. There wasn’t any development needed, he was plug and play.
And I’ve said before, but development is used as an excuse. There’s little difference in “development” between NHL franchises, not enough of one to greatly vary the outcome of the player. Do you really think KK would have balance and agility if he went to another team? He simply never had the necessary ingredients to be more than what he is.
And if he becomes more than what he is today? Like, let's say next season he gets 58 points. What will be your response?
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Well he always talked about how you can only get top C at the draft so clearly went for position (and failed every time he attempted unfortunately)
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Players develop… I’m not saying they don’t get better lol
I’m saying the difference in “development” between NHL franchises is negligible. Each player will have access to gyms, trainers, do on ice training etc etc.
For KK specifically, the only issue of his that he’s really developed is that he’s gotten stronger- and that’s definitely made him better than he was 18. But that would have happened wherever he would have gone. But the issues that haven’t developed, mainly his lack of agility/edgework/balance, are what they are. He’s simply a lanky MF who lacks natural athleticism.
He can still be a good player though, but he needs to play balls to the wall in order to over achieve (something that is possible for all players) and he needs to stop making the same lazy defensive mistakes that led to the penalty in OT that cost the Canes the game. Not sure either of those things change at this point.
I disagree. The only time his balance has improved was after his rookie season. He paid for a skating coach himself, and came back looking faster and with better balance. Then he spent the next couple years somehow not getting better with us, playing in silly COVID playoffs and ultimately being scratched.
Instead, he could have been dominating a lower level while working on his skating throughout the year, working with the Finnish national team, having success with them. Then he could have dominated the AHL while working with a skating coach (which we didn't have until recently). Then he could have made the NHL as a smarter, stronger, faster KK.
Why doesn't it sound reasonable to you that this would produce a better result than doing absolutely nothing while he struggles to keep his nose above water?
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Montembeault always had an intriguing blend of size and athleticism. Sometimes it takes goalies longer to put it all together, but that seemed to happen this year. Not saying he’s a sure fire elite #1, but he’s at least earned the right to be part of a tandem with Allen for next year.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I think it's a pretty silly statement to say that there's a negligible difference in development between teams.
Look at what Hughes and Gorton had to implement on our team, alone. Bergevin was running one guy for development and eventually added Bouillon. Neither of those guys were a skills coach like Adam Nicholas.
They didn't build out development plans.
They didn't have KPIs.
They didn't provide people with access to skill coaches.
They didn't have analytics departments.
They had more prospects and players then people to manage them.
Bergevin got exactly what he put into development. Nothing.
Look at what Hughes and Gorton had to implement on our team, alone. Bergevin was running one guy for development and eventually added Bouillon. Neither of those guys were a skills coach like Adam Nicholas.
They didn't build out development plans.
They didn't have KPIs.
They didn't provide people with access to skill coaches.
They didn't have analytics departments.
They had more prospects and players then people to manage them.
Bergevin got exactly what he put into development. Nothing.
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