HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Mrb1p]

The only thing I'm afraid of with drafting Reinbacher is that we become the 2017 Preds. Best D in the league with Subban, Josi, Ekholm and Ellis, but can't score.

We'll have Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and hope one of Mailloux/Barron/Engstrom is our 4th D and potentially have a top 2-3 D in the league. But then have a middle-of-the-pack offense.

Caufield and Suzuki are good, but is not McDrai, McKinnon/Rantanen, Matthews/Marner/Nylander, Hughes/Bratt/Hischier, Robertson/Hintz, Barkov/Tkachuk, Eichel/Stone. Maybe could compare to Aho/Svech?

The Preds didnt have a Suzuki and a Caufield. Dach is Johansen, Slaf is FF9 and Dubois is a bonus.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Is there any update on Reinbachers injury? I was prepared to upgrade my opinion of him had he impressed at the WCs but then he got hurt before ever really doing anything.

 

[26Mats]

Honestly, Reinbacher at 5 and Cristall at 29. I’d be so down for that!

I'd take Cristall at 29/31/32. But not reinbacher at 5.

 

[calder candidate]

Is there any update on Reinbachers injury? I was prepared to upgrade my opinion of him had he impressed at the WCs but then he got hurt before ever really doing anything.

Pretty sure it going to be a torn ACL… I also want to see more at WC… the hype is kinda getting out of hand, if he was a LD just don’t think we would together this hype.

 

[Jaynki]

if he was a LD just don’t think we would together this hype.

That is a very interesting point

 

[ReHabs]

Reinbacher at 5 is what an underachiever would do

 

[Michoulicious]

What should they do, add a 5th PPG forward?

Tampa and Colorado are examples of teams that had a really good defense to supplement their offense.

Tampa had Hedman, Cernak, McDonagh and Sergachev.
Colorado had Makar, Manson, Toews, and Byram.

There are no Hedman or Makar in this draft. There is however elite forward talent in the top 5.

All those other Ds were acquired by those teams via trade beside Cernak (late pick) and Byram.

The only type of D I'd draft top 5 this year is a surefire #1 D like Hedman, Dahlin, Power, etc.

There is no such player in this year draft.

 

[Lockin17]

Let's pick Smith and pick a RHD later on .
#29 = Tom Wilander or Dragicevic
#37 = Stbark or Bonk or Allen

4 decents RHD players

 

[Michoulicious]

Reinbacher at 5 is what an underachiever would do

That'd be beyond stupid, especially when there is that kind of forward talent in this draft.

 

[JT3]

You can tell which people don't/haven't watched Reinbacher when they say he won't put up offense. He's a great passer, big shot, is good at activating in the O Zone. If your definition of 'dynamic' is that he shimmies and shakes like Lane Hutson then no, I guess he's not dynamic.

Even if you just stat watch, looking over the last 15 years I can count the number of euro defenseman who outproduced him in their draft year (in a pro league) on 1 hand.

Dahlin
Hedman
Nemec (in a much weaker league).

That's it. And offense isn't even his best trait.

I want a team that can win in the playoffs. If we're up at pick 5 with the option between a PPG skill guy that doesn't play defense or engage physically vs a 50 point, 25 minute muncher all around d-man, I know who I'm taking.

 

[Seb]

You can tell which people don't/haven't watched Reinbacher when they say he won't put up offense. He's a great passer, big shot, is good at activating in the O Zone. If your definition of 'dynamic' is that he shimmies and shakes like Lane Hutson then no, I guess he's not dynamic.

Even if you just stat watch, looking over the last 15 years I can count the number of defenseman who outproduced him in their draft year (in a pro league) on 1 hand.

Dahlin
Hedman
Nemec (in a much weaker league).

That's it. And offense isn't even his best trait.

Unless Carlsson miraculously drops to us, there's not many forwards available at our spot in this draft who have the potential to impact the team as much as Reinbacher. Smith might be the only one.

 

[ReHabs]

Unless Carlsson miraculously drops to us, there's not many forwards available at our spot in this draft who have the potential to impact the team as much as Reinbacher. Smith might be the only one.

We need a skilled forward, man.

 

[JT3]

Unless Carlsson miraculously drops to us, there's not many forwards available at our spot in this draft who have the potential to impact the team as much as Reinbacher. Smith might be the only one.

If Carlsson or Michkov are on the board, it's a no brainer. After that, it's Reinbacher for me. I don't dislike Smith and would not bet upset in the slightest if he's our pick. But Reinbacher is at worst a similar level prospect as Nemec or Jiricek and I feel like people are sleeping on the value a defenseman of that caliber provides.

 

[Seb]

We need a skilled forward, man.

We need a lot of things, including a top RHD.

 

[Lockin17]

We need a lot of things, including a top RHD.

and a goalie

 

[ReHabs]

We need a lot of things, including a top RHD.

We haven’t had a PPG forward since Kovalev and haven’t drafted PPG forward in like thirty years. Why reach for a RHD if this draft is brimming with high-skill forwards??

If Carlsson or Michkov are on the board, it's a no brainer. After that, it's Reinbacher for me. I don't dislike Smith and would not bet upset in the slightest if he's our pick. But Reinbacher is at worst a similar level prospect as Nemec or Jiricek and I feel like people are sleeping on the value a defenseman of that caliber provides.

They should’ve just taken Nemec last year. What a shame it’d be to feel forced to pick Reinbacher at 5 just because they made a catastrophic mistake in 2022.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Only Reinbacher could blow out his knee in his big showcase and somehow rise on everyone’s board lol

 

[SlafySZN]

We need a lot of things, including a top RHD.

Yeah but why reaching at 5 for this specific RHD in a draft like this one?

Rebuilding is far from over. Can almost guarantee there’s gonna be a better RHD available where we will pick next year without reaching for it.

 

[montreal]

goal - 4:01
assist - 11:23

 

[River Meadow]

I'd take Cristall at 29/31/32. But not reinbacher at 5.

If we get Cristall at 29/31/32 we should laugh all the way to the bank.

 

[JT3]

Why is Reinbacher a reach? Because the public scouting services don't have him at 5? TIL a potential #1-2 D is a reach.

People said Sanderson was a potential top 4 and a reach at 5. Doesn't look like that now, does it.

 

[Seb]

We haven’t had a PPG forward since Kovalev and haven’t drafted PPG forward in like thirty years. Why reach for a RHD if this draft is brimming with high-skill forwards??

Do we both agree we need to draft the BPA?

For a lot of people, including scouts, Reinbacher would be BPA at 5.

You're impatient and it makes you oblivious. He would NOT be a reach. 5 to 9 differs a lot on everyone's list.

 

[ReHabs]

Do we both agree we need to draft the BPA?

For a lot of people, including scouts, Reinbacher would be BPA at 5.

You're impatient and it makes you oblivious. He would NOT be a reach. 5 to 9 differs a lot on everyone's list.

BPA isn’t a real thing. There is no objectivity in such domains. Only an oblivious observer would believe there is such a thing as BPA.

If the Habs have Reinbacher at 5, I’ll cautiously trust them but if it’s a coinflip it makes zero sense to go with the D when you need a skill forward more than anything.

 

[Cubebrick]

You can tell which people don't/haven't watched Reinbacher when they say he won't put up offense. He's a great passer, big shot, is good at activating in the O Zone. If your definition of 'dynamic' is that he shimmies and shakes like Lane Hutson then no, I guess he's not dynamic.

Even if you just stat watch, looking over the last 15 years I can count the number of euro defenseman who outproduced him in their draft year (in a pro league) on 1 hand.

Dahlin
Hedman
Nemec (in a much weaker league).

That's it. And offense isn't even his best trait.

I want a team that can win in the playoffs. If we're up at pick 5 with the option between a PPG skill guy that doesn't play defense or engage physically vs a 50 point, 25 minute muncher all around d-man, I know who I'm taking.

Mainly stats/TSN rankings watching. He's ranked 10th on McKenzie's list and 26th on Button's one (because somehow people still think his list is relevant), therefore he's a nonsense reach at 5 just like Sanderson and Seider were in their respective draft year.

 

[Lockin17]

Between ASP ans Reibacher witch one is the best ?
I Like ASP better but it seems like Reinbacher is up there in HF.
But the Mock draft have ASP ahead