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HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

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ReHabs said:
And who will be our PPG player? Or are we not missing this piece?
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Andrew Cristall.

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Nice to see the Reinbacher train finally gaining some movement.

I truly think he has every tool you want in a potential #1 defenseman.

Size - check.
Skating - check.
Physicality - check.
IQ/Defensive awareness - check.
Transition play - check.
5v5 offense - check.
Shot - check.

The only criticism people have of him is his offensive ceiling. No, he is not QBing Kloten's powerplay, but how many 18 year old defenseman are QBing the powerplay for a pro mens team in a good league? Not many. He is easily smart enough and has the tools to add that to his repertoire anyways.

And let me remind you, he is an 18 YEAR OLD defenseman in a strong mens league. He has 0.5 PPG almost purely from 5v5, and he is playing a safe, smart, efficient game, because again, he is in a PRO league. You can't just wheel and deal there, otherwise you end up benched or scratched. If this guy was in the CHL right now, I'm confident there would be NOBODY worried about his offensive upside, because he'd be dominating. Once he gets more confident in his ability and plays with a bit more risk in the o-zone, look out.
 
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junyab said:
If we're not taking one of the big 5 then we need to trade down.
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I'm not really interested in trading down. We have so many mid-level prospects, we should take the best player available and trim the fat. We add a couple more lesser prospects and then we have even less room moving forward.
 
ReHabs said:
And who will be our PPG player? Or are we not missing this piece?
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With the addition of Dubois, a Caufield in good health, Suzuki, Dach, Slaf , Matheson , Baron, Ghule, RHP, and soon Maillot and others, the team leaders are going to produce; Don’t forget that for the 2 last seasons Habs have been decimated by injuries.

Playing with the same players instead of changing partners all the time is way more productive.
 
Deebs said:
I'm not really interested in trading down. We have so many mid-level prospects, we should take the best player available and trim the fat. We add a couple more lesser prospects and then we have even less room moving forward.
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I agree. That's why I want Michkov or Smith at 5. But if Molson doesn't want to take the chance on Michkov, Would you prefer Leonard at 5, or Leonard at 6, 7 or 8 + another first round pick?
 
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Frank JT said:
I agree. That's why I want Michkov or Smith at 5. But if Molson doesn't want to take the chance on Michkov, Would you prefer Leonard at 5, or Leonard at 6, 7 or 8 + another first round pick?
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I'm not sure a team would make that trade to move up 1 or 2 spots. I think the talent level between the top 5-6 players and the next 5-6- players is significant. It's a tough call. What teams have 2 first round picks this year?
 
NotProkofievian said:
Andrew Cristall.

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I know for a fact hes gonna a PPG forward. So much overthinking going on.


Really need to stop overcomplicating scouting. If prospect good then he good, simple.
JT3 said:
Nice to see the Reinbacher train finally gaining some movement.

I truly think he has every tool you want in a potential #1 defenseman.

Size - check.
Skating - check.
Physicality - check.
IQ/Defensive awareness - check.
Transition play - check.
5v5 offense - check.
Shot - check.

The only criticism people have of him is his offensive ceiling. No, he is not QBing Kloten's powerplay, but how many 18 year old defenseman are QBing the powerplay for a pro mens team in a good league? Not many. He is easily smart enough and has the tools to add that to his repertoire anyways.

And let me remind you, he is an 18 YEAR OLD defenseman in a strong mens league. He has 0.5 PPG almost purely from 5v5, and he is playing a safe, smart, efficient game, because again, he is in a PRO league. You can't just wheel and deal there, otherwise you end up benched or scratched. If this guy was in the CHL right now, I'm confident there would be NOBODY worried about his offensive upside, because he'd be dominating. Once he gets more confident in his ability and plays with a bit more risk in the o-zone, look out.
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He was actually on the 2nd PP and I think that helps his argument, he produced a record number of points in the NL, and he literally broke that with ES primary points only, lmao.

If he was in the CHL, he'd probably be viewed like Sergachev was or something, league play does change a lot of perspective. I can't believe anyone would say Reinbacher isn't dynamic or doesn't have a high offensive ceiling. It's just such an asinine thing to say.
Frank JT said:
I agree. That's why I want Michkov or Smith at 5. But if Molson doesn't want to take the chance on Michkov, Would you prefer Leonard at 5, or Leonard at 6, 7 or 8 + another first round pick?
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Id prefer Benson at 5.
 
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Deebs said:
I'm not really interested in trading down. We have so many mid-level prospects, we should take the best player available and trim the fat. We add a couple more lesser prospects and then we have even less room moving forward.
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This would only be done if we're taking say Reinbacher. It doesn't make sense to take him at 5 when we could trade down take him at 6-9 PLUS adding an additional asset.
 
junyab said:
This would only be done if we're taking say Reinbacher. It doesn't make sense to take him at 5 when we could trade down take him at 6-9 PLUS adding an additional asset.
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If we know for sure that he isn't go to be picked at 6, then for sure we do it. Does the team in 6 have another first round pick or prospect that we want?
 
junyab said:
This would only be done if we're taking say Reinbacher. It doesn't make sense to take him at 5 when we could trade down take him at 6-9 PLUS adding an additional asset.
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I would do 6 and 38th for sure granted none of the top 4 are there, or 8 and 40+.

To me the drop off starts at 6, there's a strong possibility that my #5 and #6 are there at 7 and 8.

Coming out of the draft with Benson/Reinbacher + 38/40th would be much better than just either of those or Smith, with that said, Im sure teams are super high on Will Smith.
 
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I could get behind picking Reinbacher at 5.

Guhle, Reinbacher and Hutson has the potential of being the cornerstone of one of the best defense in the NHL.
 
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Potentially Carlsson, Smith

Or maybe Michkov

Reinbacher, Leonard, Benson

We are in a good spot.
 
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Pompeius Magnus said:
FWIW, I think he did a decent job at the U18 in that department. He's probably never going to be a great two way player, but he was helping his Dmen with zone exits, making an effort to block passing lanes, etc. He has good enough smarts to know where he's supposed to go to help get the puck back for his team. I could see him becoming league average with proper coaching and effort on his part.
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Yep he was more engaged at the U18 no doubt.
 
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The only thing I'm afraid of with drafting Reinbacher is that we become the 2017 Preds. Best D in the league with Subban, Josi, Ekholm and Ellis, but can't score.

We'll have Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and hope one of Mailloux/Barron/Engstrom is our 4th D and potentially have a top 2-3 D in the league. But then have a middle-of-the-pack offense.

Caufield and Suzuki are good, but is not McDrai, McKinnon/Rantanen, Matthews/Marner/Nylander, Hughes/Bratt/Hischier, Robertson/Hintz, Barkov/Tkachuk, Eichel/Stone. Maybe could compare to Aho/Svech?
 
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AHShadow said:
The only thing I'm afraid of with drafting Reinbacher is that we become the 2017 Preds. Best D in the league with Subban, Josi, Ekholm and Ellis, but can't score.

We'll have Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and hope one of Mailloux/Barron/Engstrom is our 4th D and potentially have a top 2-3 D in the league. But then have a middle-of-the-pack offense.

Caufield and Suzuki are good, but is not McDrai, McKinnon/Rantanen, Matthews/Marner/Nylander, Hughes/Bratt/Hischier, Robertson/Hintz, Barkov/Tkachuk, Eichel/Stone. Maybe could compare to Aho/Svech?
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Very good point.

If we go Reinbacher,

Slafkovsky and Dach will need to establish themselves as solid top six players and frequently hit, at least, 60 points.

Slafkovsky, Dach, Dubois (if we get him), Suzuki, Caufield

Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson

Could be a very solid core for a long time. Very nice mix of size, speed and skills.

I think Caufield, Dach and Hutson all have legit star potential.
 
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AHShadow said:
The only thing I'm afraid of with drafting Reinbacher is that we become the 2017 Preds. Best D in the league with Subban, Josi, Ekholm and Ellis, but can't score.

We'll have Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson and hope one of Mailloux/Barron/Engstrom is our 4th D and potentially have a top 2-3 D in the league. But then have a middle-of-the-pack offense.

Caufield and Suzuki are good, but is not McDrai, McKinnon/Rantanen, Matthews/Marner/Nylander, Hughes/Bratt/Hischier, Robertson/Hintz, Barkov/Tkachuk, Eichel/Stone. Maybe could compare to Aho/Svech?
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What rounds were Robertson, Hintz, Bratt, Stone and Aho drafted in?

Hopefully better drafting and higher emphasis on development will allow us to have a few high scoring gem forwards in our lineup. I don't think we have a stud #1 D in our young core (Guhle is the closest) and these playoffs are showing the importance of having them.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
What rounds were Robertson, Hintz, Bratt, Stone and Aho drafted in?

Hopefully better drafting and higher emphasis on development will allow us to have a few high scoring gem forwards in our lineup. I don't think we have a stud #1 D in our young core (Guhle is the closest) and these playoffs are showing the importance of having them.
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Some of my favorite forwards drafted outside the 1st round: Nikita Kucherov, Kirill Kaprisov, Johnny Gaudreau, Brayden Point, Jamie Benn, Roope Hintz, Jesper Bratt, Jake Guentzel, Jordan Kyrou, Brad Marchand, Mark Stone, Jason Robertson, Sebastian Aho, Drake Batherson.

These are like accelerators, you need to hit all your 1st round picks but the best way to speed up a rebuild is finding a superstar player outside the 1st. This is our biggest miss. I don't remember our last star forward we even drafted.
 
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junyab said:
But see it from this angle.

Would you rather have:
Smith/Michkov + top 5 D 2024 draft
or
Reinbacher + top 10 F 2024 draft

I think a top 5 D from next years draft has a better shot being a Reinbacher than a top 10 F from next years draft does being a Smith/Michkov.
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BPA.

BPA this year. BPA in 2024.

If management thinks BPA in 2023 is Reinbacher and BPA in 2024 is another D then be it.
 
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