JeffreyLFC
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Potential first line center. Hands, playmaking, shot with decent skating.
HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2
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DiglettDangles
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I'll forever refer to those 4.5 wins as the Monahan wins.
He looks like a good guy, too bad I need to hate him with all my soul because of this.
DiglettDangles
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I'm not singling you out on purpose, this message is in reply to the many "trade down if we won't pick Michkov at 5".
I'd argue the right thing to do is actually to trade up.
We have a lot of prospects and picks we can live without to convince SJS to drop one spot (anyone not called Suzuki / Caufield / Dach / Slaf / Guhle / Hutson / Engstrom <3 / probably Matheson / one of Mailloux or Barron). They just traded down last year from 11 to 26+34+45 because their depth chart isn't spectacular. We can afford to outrageously lose that trade to secure one of Fantilli / Carlsson / Smith if we believe all 3 are significantly ahead of the options at 5+ excluding Michkov.
The real message though is f'in draft Michkov, ya pansies.
As for a guy who is slept on in this draft, my vote is for Ciernik. Not claiming he's the next Gaborik or anything, but he'll probably go in the 3rd round, and he has the talent of a 1st rounder. He's just a little bit undersized at 5'10 180, but he skates and handles the puck extremely well, he sees the ice well and makes creative plays, and he has a pretty good shot too.
Oh, and he was more productive than Dvorsky in the Allsvenskan. 12 in 25 vs 14 in 38.
Oh, and he was more productive than Dvorsky in the Allsvenskan. 12 in 25 vs 14 in 38.
Not watching ANY Michkov highlights, too scared to get my heart broken, you just never know with this organization
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Another kid I like is Easton Cowan, just very smart and talented, would be a nice pick somewhere in the 2nd round.
Mrb1p
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Benson pretty clearly. That hes not a slam dunk top 6 at the very least is insane.
Id say Lardis, Rykov, Brzustewicz, Unger, Perron, Strathmann, Ciernik and Gardiner are my others.
Egresch
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Ciernik plays on periphery, brings very little to the team. No material for bottom 6 and he misses top talent to be top 6 in NHL. His competitiveness is questionable, he is not worth 3rd round pick for me. He will be good player in Europe, but I do not see NHL potential with this kid.
WeThreeKings
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Pronman has us passing on Michkov and taking Reinbacher
Then Edstrom at 17.
Reinbacher is one of my top choices if they just flat out won't take Michkov
But Edstrom at 17 is way too rich for me and I'd be pretty sad coming out of the 1st round of 2023 that way. If you go Reinbacher at 5, your Florida pick needs to be Hrabal or a highly skilled forward with some warts.
Then Edstrom at 17.
Reinbacher is one of my top choices if they just flat out won't take Michkov
But Edstrom at 17 is way too rich for me and I'd be pretty sad coming out of the 1st round of 2023 that way. If you go Reinbacher at 5, your Florida pick needs to be Hrabal or a highly skilled forward with some warts.
FrankMTL
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I have to say that I'd be super disappointed with that draft if it shakes out that way.
I know size isn't everything, but I had a dream last night that we took Carlsson and he was everything bit as advertised. We also managed to trade Florida pick and the Avs 2nd next year for PLD.
Imagine for a second....
Dach (6'4) - Suzuki (5'11) - Caufield (5'7)
Carlsson (6'3) - PLD (6'3) - Slaf (6'4)
That second line man. Mountain men out there.
Imagine for a second....
Dach (6'4) - Suzuki (5'11) - Caufield (5'7)
Carlsson (6'3) - PLD (6'3) - Slaf (6'4)
That second line man. Mountain men out there.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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I'm fine with that, too.
If the Sharks want Michkov let's say, then trade up to get Carlsson/Smith
I just don't want the Habs to stand pat a d draft Barlow, Reinbacher, Dvorsky, Wood, Benson, whomever when you can trade back 3, 4 spots and get, potentially another 1st AND still get the player that the team wants that's available at 5.
SOLR
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Swap with Arizona 5 and 28 for 6 and 12. Reinbacher and Yager would be something of substance. And then take a goalie with 37.
If that happens, we can't go get Dubois, we need to tank another year. We still wouldn't have an elite forward. 2024 would be necessary to shore up "non-elite deep team" - maybe we get lucky in the lottery this time around. Celebrini/Eiserman are stars in the making.
I like Cowan but 2nd round is far too early IMO. Can be had 4th round or later at this point. His absolute highest upside would be a Kasperi Kapanen type player
Jaynki
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Even if he is like just 15% coming in 3 years, those are sufficient odds to take him. I don't know the data, but it has been over 30 years since Montreal has been able to take a player of his stature despite winning 2x 3rd overall and 1x 1st overall.
In term of asymmetrical betting,
The odds of him coming don't need to be high to take him. His level of talent and the rarity for a franchise to draft a player of his stature justify his selection in itself.
The way i see it, instead of 3x times better than the next player is, it was simply to illustrate the concept of asymmetrical betting in the game of heads or tail
Michkov is better than 60% of the last ten 1st overall. So you have, AT BEST, if you finish last, 18% chance of getting a player that is not even as good as Michkov.
On the other hand, the Dvorsky, Reinbacher, Leonard, Benson, they are always available, in bunches, every draft. (Gauthier, Savoie, Jiricek in 2022 for example). You can finish 5th last, you are almost guaranteed a player of their stature.
Michkov is an asymetrical opportunity, especially at 5.
They will get him if he is available. Hughes is savvy. He is always taking in terms of potential risk to reward. They know that they might never be able to take a player of his stature in their reign, in fact, they have not been able to take a better player than Michkov at 1st overall last year. No way they skip this opportunity for someone like Leonard or Dvorsky.
If you haven’t had an opportunity to post:
“This management team is stupid if they don’t pick Michkov”
Or
“Just pick any of the top 5 that’s remaining”
Please go ahead and do so soon.
Much appreciated
“This management team is stupid if they don’t pick Michkov”
Or
“Just pick any of the top 5 that’s remaining”
Please go ahead and do so soon.
Much appreciated
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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I see your PLD and counter with Lafreniere.
KevSkillz4
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The risk is more higher to don't choose Michkov than the choose him.
Sam de Mtl
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Easy with hindsight. It could easily have been a position below us that won and then we could have claimed we should have won some more.
Chicago had more or less 3% more chances than us to win, it was negligible.
But I think a lot of you folks are being disingenuous about the whole thing, because I trust that you all are smarter than the things you are saying.
WinterLion
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Ehhhhhhhh……
I think PLD is the consolation prize management will make for not drafting Michkov.
PLD and Reinbacher isn’t bad
Hins77
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Kent Hugues best friend GM is Bill Guerin. Pretty sure Guerin isnt unhappy to have Kaprizov on his team, even if it he came late. Guerin will probably tell him to Hugues. Just get it and work for the transfer later.
If we kept 17, maybe they would have accepted but only if they wanted Michkov badly, at 29 it ain't happening
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