HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Jaynki]

If no incertitude, Michkov would have been the first overall pick in

2022 over Slaf
2021 over Power
2020 over Lafreniere
2017 over Hischier
2014 over Ekblad
2012 over Yakupov.

He would have been a sure 2nd or in debate with player like Laine, Eichel and Fantilli.

It is so rare to have that level of talent available. I think for the simple opportunity to grab this talent at 5. We jus't cant let it pass. I don't know the data but you have to finish last to have at best 18% chance to have a player that is not even on Michkov level over 50% of the time in the last decade.

Player of Dvorsky, Benson and Reinbacher caliber although they are very solid A prospect, are available in each and every draft even in bunch in most the top 10.

Let alone the fact that Michkov will be at the draft and dream to play in the NHL.

Who the f*** in his right mind would let such an opportunity pass?

The truth is, if there is any doubt he may absolutely come after three years, he is not available at 5.

 

[habsfan891]

Michkov per his agent plans to attend the 2023 NHL draft

f*** gone by 5 then Smith it probably is

 

[McGees]

Not sure on Kuz. Definitely not for Kaprizov he was a 5th rounder.



Option A is an outstanding success.

Option B is still successful but I think you're thinking about how we can ensure we are still picking top 10 next year without compromising development

Monty on waivers.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I agree with you with the creativity, I do see consistent 70+ though, especially in the 10 goals a game NHL. He should be a 35 goals regular guy.


His production at the u18

Yeah, right, he scored 100+ points this year just from playing u18 championship. Lol

Must've been getting 14 pts a game.

 

[The Great Weal]

Did HuGo say that they want the most talented player last year when we won the lottery? Or did he only say it for this year? All I remember is him saying they are projecting who can be the best player in the Montreal Canadiens environment in a couple of years, nothing else though. I wonder if that's a tell if that's the case.

 

[G0bias]

Setting myself up for a letdown with Michkov hype so imma just assume he's gone before.

And settle for Smith or Reindawg and a healthy dose of copium

 

[HabzSauce]

In fact, call me crazy but Smith might leapfrog Carlsson.

You think so eh? Only team I can see taking Smith is CBJ due to the rumors that they really high on him. Then that would leave us between Michkov and Carlsson. Either one would be such a huge W.

I think those rumors are crap though. I can't see how anyone would take Smith over Carlsson. Carlsson is just so damn good.

 

[Jaynki]

Setting myself up for a letdown with Michkov hype so imma just assume he's gone before.

And settle for Smith or Reindawg and a healthy dose of copium
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Smith would be f***ing great to be honest at 5.

Its either one of Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith or Michkov. We aer such in a good spot. the dorp off is after them.

 

[G0bias]

Smith would be f***ing great to be honest at 5.

Its either one of Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith or Michkov. We aer such in a good spot. the dorp off is after them.

Great consolation prize, absolutely. Step above everyone else after.

But i'm preparing myself incase Michkov is who's left of the top 5 and Habs are too beta to take him

 

[NotProkofievian]

Yeah, right, he scored 100+ points this year just from playing u18 championship. Lol

Must've been getting 14 pts a game.

That's G E N E R A T I O N A L

 

[Mrb1p]

Give it to me straight, in your opinion:

1. Would he have gone 1OA last year? If not, where would you rank in in the 2022 draft?
2. What’s his reasonable upside?
3. What’s his best NHL comparable?
4. What’s his trajectory timeline?
5. If all goes well, would he be a long-awaited protagonist (ie reliable point producer) for the Habs?

1. Hes a similar quality prospect to the top guys in 2022, unsure if he wouldve gone first but I wouldve prefered him over Slaf.
2. Reasonable? Id say hes a .75 ppg guy. Theres just something missing when I look at him, just like when I ranked Zegras super low, of course I did overdo it with Zegras, but some of the concerns I had still ring true today. Im not sure he has it in him to be that 100 points C, and probably not that 100 points W either. Maybe in a career year.
3. Its not perfect but Huberdeau is the one for me.
4. At least one year, then its open season.
5. I mean of course he would be and hes a very good player and we should be happy to have him.

Dvorsky does just about everything you could want from an 18yo off the puck. Very strong defensive game from what I've seen. He's making an impact all over the ice and doing it consistently. The creativity and flash is... lacking, but he's still a very productive player. Put him with Leonard and Perrault against the trash that was group B and I'm not surprised if he puts up close to 20pts.

I don't agree with the narrative that his upside is capped at a 2C. I think people see a well-rounded, pro-style player and think they're limited because they don't rely on low percentage plays (Smith's slot pass attempts?) and flashy 1v1 stick work to produce. I think there's a lot of room for offensive development for Dvorsky with the right team.

I agree with most of what youre saying, his upside is that of a 1C, but hes gonna have to develop his playmaking for that.

Yeah, right, he scored 100+ points this year just from playing u18 championship. Lol

Must've been getting 14 pts a game.

He wasnt ranked 3rd overall before the u18s, he didnt have an uptick in production, he didnt look better, literally nothing changed from Bobs January ranking to this latest one, aside from the u18s.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Most underrated, most slept on player of the draft IYO?

 

[Jack Skellington]

I really like the Nelson comparison for Dvorsky.

Lol I've been saying that to talk smack is that a real comparison people have been making

 

[Skip Bayless]

Most underrated, most slept on player of the draft IYO?

Oliver Moore.

Truly a victim of a stupidly stacked team.

 

[phillytennis]

Reinbacher, Dvorsky, Leonard then Benson in that order

Dvorsky, Leonard, Reinbacher, Benson

 

[le_sean]

Dvorsky does just about everything you could want from an 18yo off the puck. Very strong defensive game from what I've seen. He's making an impact all over the ice and doing it consistently. The creativity and flash is... lacking, but he's still a very productive player. Put him with Leonard and Perrault against the trash that was group B and I'm not surprised if he puts up close to 20pts.

I don't agree with the narrative that his upside is capped at a 2C. I think people see a well-rounded, pro-style player and think they're limited because they don't rely on low percentage plays (Smith's slot pass attempts?) and flashy 1v1 stick work to produce. I think there's a lot of room for offensive development for Dvorsky with the right team.

Try and name a 1C in the NHL that profiles like him then. Solid two-way play, great shot, average skating, hands not great, makes the simple play.

Sorry but those aren’t the traits of someone who can maybe become a 1C.

 

[Saxon]

Oliver Moore.

Truly a victim of a stupidly stacked team.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Draft]

Try and name a 1C in the NHL that profiles like him then. Solid two-way play, great shot, average skating, hands not great, makes the simple play.

Sorry but those aren’t the traits of someone who can maybe become a 1C.

He's not going to be a 1C tomorrow and he's not a finished product. Having a perfect comparable based on current limitations really doesn't matter as he's got the tools to be a high-end player. The limited traits you've listed are over-simplified and not a very fair assessment.

With work, there's loads of room for him to develop greater creativity with the puck (classic for a 17yo in a men's league), improve his handling, and strengthen his skating. All of these skills are still at an above average level, just not elite. Watching these U18s and in comparison to his peers, his shot is elite, his on-ice awareness is elite, his compete is elite, his play away from the puck is elite, and essentially all the rest is at an above average level. You're looking at an exceptionally well-rounded player at 18 and I think that should be seen as a strength, not as a weakness or a limitation to his ceiling. It'll be his playmaking ability that'll define his ceiling, not his hands or overly-efficient play style.

Don't let Grant's ridiculous hard-on for this player shade your opinion of him, he's a good one.

 

[McGees]

Not sure this was shared yet:

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Benson isn’t fast, especially for being 5’9”, but he’s got great edges and edges are way more impactful than pure speed. I don’t have him as an option for 5, but he could well be a great player.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Can we keep a tally or ring a bell whenever a poster says “pick the one who’s left at fifth”?

 

[McGees]

Sleeping like we did with Geekie?
*Eye roll emoji

 

[Skip Bayless]

Sleeping like we did with Geekie?
*Eye roll emoji

He doesn't look any better than Edstrom, But and Wahlberg to me.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Going to put this down again cause I think it’s important. When Gorton drafted Kravtsov in NY with Bobrov’s advice, most scouts were saying that he could be a steal. Maybe the next Kuznetsov and that his contract was a risk worth taking. That didn’t turn out too well for him.

We’ll have to keep that in mind as I’m sure Gorton will have that as a key reference with Michkov.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Vitali-Kravtsov#:~:text=Vitali%20Kravtsov's%20Player%20Profile&text=He%20is%20a%20power%20forward,Kuznetsov%20of%20the%20Washington%20Capitals.%22

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Going to put this down again cause I think it’s important. When Gorton drafted Kravtsov in NY with Bobrov’s advice, most scouts were saying that he could be a steal. Maybe the next Kuznetsov and that his contract was a risk worth taking. That didn’t turn out too well for him.

We’ll have to keep that in mind as I’m sure Gorton will have that as a key reference with Michkov.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Vitali-Kravtsov#:~:text=Vitali%20Kravtsov's%20Player%20Profile&text=He%20is%20a%20power%20forward,Kuznetsov%20of%20the%20Washington%20Capitals.%22

If I'm not mistaken Kravstov was expected go a little bit later, like 15th/16th range. He was also a riser towards rhe end of the season.

Michkov has been ranked high for a while now.