HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Schooner Guy]

Oh he has next to no floor at all, he's a total homerun swing type. With our much improved development staff I think our odds are much better with a prospect like that than before though.

He reminds me a bit of Ben Maxwell who had a high ceiling but we found out where his floor was.

I don't mind picks like these late in the 1st.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Having two Suzuki’s isn’t terrible imo but I get what you’re saying

Dvorskys more a Kopitar type

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Dvorskys more a Kopitar type

...that worked out well for LA...so...

 

[WinterLion]

He’s unlike any prospect in the Habs system or NHL team. Our top-6 is sorely lacking in strong two-way play. Not a boring player to watch either, very tenacious, very skilled, exceptional shot, and high end IQ. He’s shown that he can be the centrepiece of a line. Also plays a puck protection game that will complement our other top players very well.

He’s not a perfect prospect, but he’s also one of the youngest in the draft. I’d be more than happy to take him at 5 if Michkov/Carlsson/Smith isn’t an option.

Love him. IMHO he is more likely to be a C than Smith & Carlsson.

I'm just excited to see who they choose and what kind of maneuvering goes on.

 

[le_sean]

He’s unlike any prospect in the Habs system or NHL team. Our top-6 is sorely lacking in strong two-way play. Not a boring player to watch either, very tenacious, very skilled, exceptional shot, and high end IQ. He’s shown that he can be the centrepiece of a line. Also plays a puck protection game that will complement our other top players very well.

He’s not a perfect prospect, but he’s also one of the youngest in the draft. I’d be more than happy to take him at 5 if Michkov/Carlsson/Smith isn’t an option.

If he was all that you claim he is, he wouldn’t be ranked 7th by scouts. He’s a good player, but not an excellent one. I don’t see him being better than Suzuki or Dach, at least not enough to warrant a 5th overall pick. Whereas I see Leonard slotting as the motor of a top line or Reinbacher potentially as a top pairing defender. This is especially true for the Canadiens that need a Leonard type to play with Nick and Cole and need a RD that’s better than Mailloux and Barron.

 

[Goldenhands]

Highest pick for Reinbacher was 7OA. Multiple scouts picked him there.

Strangely, he is now the front leader on mise-o-jeu. Follow the money they say...

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[Schooner Guy]

If he was all that you claim he is, he wouldn’t be ranked 7th by scouts. He’s a good player, but not an excellent one. I don’t see him being better than Suzuki or Dach, at least not enough to warrant a 5th overall pick. Whereas I see Leonard slotting as the motor of a top line or Reinbacher potentially as a top pairing defender. This is especially true for the Canadiens that need a Leonard type to play with Nick and Cole and need a RD that’s better than Mailloux and Barron.

Leonard was 6th by a hair over Dvorsky in a top heavy draft. They're both great prospects. Dvorsky was unreal at the WU18 and he's one of the younger players who will go in the 1st round. He also did an excellent job at the WJC in a checking role vs Cooley and Wright.

I'd be fine with either player. I like the speed Leonard brings along with his jam, puck skills and IQ. The Habs young core isn't full of speed burners and Leonard would be a nice addition.

 

[montreal]

Leonard put up 97 points in 57 games. He was ppg.

That's not div1 only. That's his entire stat line. Most of those games WERE against teens.

U.S. National Under-18 Team - 2022-23 Regular Season - Roster - #9 - Ryan Leonard - F

www.usahockeyntdp.com

NCAA Div 1 - 19-16-16-32

5-3-6-9 Big 10
1-1-1-2 HE
1-0-3-3 NCHC

2-1-1+2 ECAC
4-5-2-7 CCHA
4-4-1-5 Atlantic
2-2-2-4 Independent

 

[Goldenhands]

Bold prediction for the draft, we get Bjarnasson with the Florida pick and I could see the Habs trading up to ensure him.

 

[Kennerback]

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As long as everyone is aware who was left behind…

 

[Dach Vader]

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Michkov second most likely to be picked by Montreal after Reinbacher.

Getting closer lol

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm thinking he does slide to 7.. just based on everything I've heard and seen.

Bedard goes 1
Fantilli goes 2
Carlsson goes 3
Smith goes 4
Leonard goes 5
Reinbacher goes 6
Dvorsky goes 7
Michkov goes 8

Then I think it gets interesting but I think Benson goes 9.

Nobody really knows anything but I agree that these are likely to be the first 8 prospects off the board even if I would put them in a different order.

 

[Goldenhands]

Michkov second most likely to be picked by Montreal after Reinbacher.

Getting closer lol

I'm 99% convinced that Michkov is not even in the discussions for the pick.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Well, there was a clear distinction in Bob's article that with the uncertainty and risk around Michkov, that there were 3 names that teams would look at rather than Michkov.. that being Leonard, Dvorsky and Reinbacher.

So a clear message that after 7, Michkov becomes the clear BPA and the reward outweighs the risk.

The clear line after 5 is strictly the rankings - the opinion of the scouts. That’s what we were discussing there.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If he was all that you claim he is, he wouldn’t be ranked 7th by scouts. He’s a good player, but not an excellent one. I don’t see him being better than Suzuki or Dach, at least not enough to warrant a 5th overall pick. Whereas I see Leonard slotting as the motor of a top line or Reinbacher potentially as a top pairing defender. This is especially true for the Canadiens that need a Leonard type to play with Nick and Cole and need a RD that’s better than Mailloux and Barron.

We don't know where scouts have him ranked and yes if a tiny consensus has him at 7 then that makes it all the more likely that some in the exponentially larger pool will him him as high as 5 and maybe even 4.

 

[Dach Vader]

I'm 99% convinced that Michkov is not even in the discussions for the pick.

I learnt last season to expect the unexpected...

So maybe I should expect the expected this season?...

I don't know anymore.

 

[Kennerback]

I'm 99% convinced that Michkov is not even in the discussions for the pick.

Were Habs scouts prohibited from considering him? Not a good look.

 

[Skip Bayless]

U.S. National Under-18 Team - 2022-23 Regular Season - Roster - #9 - Ryan Leonard - F

www.usahockeyntdp.com

NCAA Div 1 - 19-16-16-32

5-3-6-9 Big 10
1-1-1-2 HE
1-0-3-3 NCHC

2-1-1+2 ECAC
4-5-2-7 CCHA
4-4-1-5 Atlantic
2-2-2-4 Independent

He was even better against better opposition?

 

[le_sean]

Leonard was 6th by a hair over Dvorsky in a top heavy draft. They're both great prospects. Dvorsky was unreal at the WU18 and he's one of the younger players who will go in the 1st round. He also did an excellent job at the WJC in a checking role vs Cooley and Wright.

I'd be fine with either player. I like the speed Leonard brings along with his jam, puck skills and IQ. The Habs young core isn't full of speed burners and Leonard would be a nice addition.

Yeah but the way people talk about Dvorsky is that he’s some sort of infallible centre. If that was the case, he’d be consensus over Will Smith and there’d be no debate between him and Leonard. Clearly he has warts that his fans can’t seem to admit but that scouts see.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Yeah but the way people talk about Dvorsky is that he’s some sort of infallible centre. If that was the case, he’d be consensus over Will Smith and there’d be no debate between him and Leonard. Clearly he has warts that his fans can’t seem to admit but that scouts see.

Dvorsky's main wart is his footspeed which is why he's out of the top 5.

 

[le_sean]

Dvorsky's main wart is his footspeed which is why he's out of the top 5.

It’s not just that. Playmaking/creativity is also a question. It’s nice to be able to wire the puck, but I have reservations as to how effective he will be in a much faster league.

 

[Goldenhands]

Were Habs scouts prohibited from considering him? Not a good look.

The scouts scout, the GM and owner take the big decisions. Of course, Hughes and Molson will have the scouting reports on Michkov, but even if he was a perfect hockey player and had a great attitude and all, the geopolitical situation is that ugly that they might have had to pass in those conditions.

Now you add how the kid's dad passed away , his apparent charactere issue, hockey related flaws, his 3 yrs contract with SKA, the possibility he extends and you have there a huge hot potatoe Habs brass will be pretty relieved to let another team handle.

 

[Kennerback]

The scouts scout, the GM and owner take the big decisions. Of course, Hughes and Molson will have the scouting reports on Michkov, but even if he was a perfect hockey player and had a great attitude and all, the geopolitical situation is that ugly that they might have had to pass in those conditions.

Now you add how the kid's dad passed away , his apparent charactere issue, hockey related flaws, his 3 yrs contract with SKA, the possibility he extends and you have there a huge hot potatoe Habs brass will be pretty relieved to let another team handle.

In other words, you’re telling me HuGo are paying clients of Milbury Lowe Advanced Analytics Inc.

 

[jellybeans]

Michkov second most likely to be picked by Montreal after Reinbacher.

Getting closer lol

There is 0 chance the habs picks a defence with the #5 pick

 

[Goldenhands]

In other words, you’re telling me HuGo are paying clients of Milbury Lowe Advanced Analytics Inc.

What Im telling you is that michkov will drop lower than Wright last year.