HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[WinterLion]

Not sure if this was posted. Definitely a different list. Some hot takes.

 

[26Mats]

Not sure if this was posted. Definitely a different list. Some hot takes.

Before the 20's most lists I saw had Benson ahead of Smith at 5. 8 days away from finding out...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Seems Reinbacher is hardly the consensus top D anymore. Are there still people who want him at 5?

If we deal Barron in a PLD trade as apparently we might, an RD would make more sense but the value there would be pretty gross.

What? He's still the consensus top D. Do you think something happened a week+, after the combine to change that?

Some still link him at out pick but overall it seems like he's too much of a reach to grab at 5. If they love him enough to take him trade down to 8 or 9 and he's gone so be it.

He will be gone at 6 if we don't take him at 5, in fact, if we trade down, it's likely the team trading up is doing it to secure Reinbacher over the Coyotes

 

[bcv]

What? He's still the consensus top D. Do you think something happened a week+, after the combine to change that?



He will be gone at 6 if we don't take him at 5, in fact, if we trade down, it's likely the team trading up is doing it to secure Reinbacher over the Coyotes

He saw Button put ASP in his top 5

 

[WeThreeKings]

He saw Button put ASP in his top 5

Button compared Will Smith to Zibanejad, I think he drinks heavily

 

[le_sean]

What? He's still the consensus top D. Do you think something happened a week+, after the combine to change that?



He will be gone at 6 if we don't take him at 5, in fact, if we trade down, it's likely the team trading up is doing it to secure Reinbacher over the Coyotes

Has better draft year metrics than Heiskanen and Seider…”this defenceman is bad and we should feel bad taking him”. Never change Montreal.

 

[ReHabs]

Has better draft year metrics than Heiskanen and Seider…”this defenceman is bad and we should feel bad taking him”. Never change Montreal.

It would be very Montreal to draft the Dman when there are so many good Fs with PPG upside on the board.

We don't deserve to see good homegrown forwards, it should always be a struggle to score. This seems to be the Montreal way.

Pin all the hopes on Pacioretty and then on Caufield... meanwhile other teams have two, three, or even four exciting forwards.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Button compared Will Smith to Zibanejad, I think he drinks heavily

By his standards, that's not TOO far off. Comparing Carlsson to Tomas Holmstrom though, that's really out there

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He saw Button put ASP in his top 5

Have seen Wallinder as the top D in some lists as well.

What? Where is that from?

At one point Reinbacher was the top D on basically every list. Now it seems every other list has someone else as the top D.

 

[Raskolnikow]

He definitely stood out to me in a good way. Great skating, good shot. Higher on him than I was on the Foudy's for sure.

Wouldn't put too much stock on his Peterborough totals, that teak was where offense went to die for Beck

I had him firmly in my first round but I dropped him just recently to the 35-40 range. The good part: He is one of the youngest players in the draft, he can really skate and has a great shot. But right now he is missing some dimensions in his game. His sense and playmaking are so-so and he is a tiny winger. His upside is high for a player in this range, but there are some risk factors. If the Habs go for a forward at #37, I would prefer guys like Bradly Nadeau, Koehn Ziemmer or Ethan Gauthier. To me Nadeau is more dynamic than Lardis. Ziemmer has heavy boots, but everything else in his toolkit. Gauthier is a rather safe bet to become a middle-six-winger who helps you in the playoffs.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Has better draft year metrics than Heiskanen and Seider…”this defenceman is bad and we should feel bad taking him”. Never change Montreal.

Reinbacher is not a Seider/Heiskanen

 

[Vachon23]

I do like the Sam Bennett comparaison

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

He's certainly very good value at 31, if he makes it to that spot. With his sorta meh draft season, there's a real chance he could slip.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Have seen Wallinder as the top D in some lists as well.


At one point Reinbacher was the top D on basically every list. Now it seems every other list has someone else as the top D.

Those are just lists.. Hughes stood in front of a microphone and literally said he was the best defenseman in the draft.

That is the same information that came out from the media sources around the combine. Are there people who will like another defenseman better? It is possible.. but Reinbacher will be the first defenseman chosen and I'd put the odds very very high he doesn't go lower than 6th.

Reinbacher is not a Seider/Heiskanen

He said his draft year metrics are better than both. Seider and Heiskanen are not the same defenseman either.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I had him firmly in my first round but I dropped him just recently to the 35-40 range. The good part: He is one of the youngest players in the draft, he can really skate and has a great shot. But right now he is missing some dimensions in his game. His sense and playmaking are so-so and he is a tiny winger. His upside is high for a player in this range, but there are some risk factors. If the Habs go for a forward at #37, I would prefer guys like Bradly Nadeau, Koehn Ziemmer or Ethan Gauthier. To me Nadeau is more dynamic than Lardis. Ziemmer has heavy boots, but everything else in his toolkit. Gauthier is a rather safe bet to become a middle-six-winger who helps you in the playoffs.

He reminds me a bit of Senyshyn back in 2015 actually. Unfortunately he didn't quite develop into an NHLer, but I could see Lardis becoming a 3rd line energy guy who can sub in higher in the lineup and pot ~20 goals.

 

[bcv]

He's certainly very good value at 31, if he makes it to that spot. With his sorta meh draft season, there's a real chance he could slip.

I'd be disapointed if he's a top 64 pick.

 

[Vachon23]

He's certainly very good value at 31, if he makes it to that spot. With his sorta meh draft season, there's a real chance he could slip.

And I’m not scared that he can’t take the pressure of being a 1st round pick of MTL. He got the personality to perform under that type of pressure

I'd be disapointed if he's a top 64 pick.

You will quickly become happy with that pick

 

[Doublechin]

What? He's still the consensus top D. Do you think something happened a week+, after the combine to change that?



He will be gone at 6 if we don't take him at 5, in fact, if we trade down, it's likely the team trading up is doing it to secure Reinbacher over the Coyotes

I think the assumption that the Coyotes take him at 6 is just that...assumption

I put myself in their shoes, the forward quality at 6 is close to elite levels, if I'm them I go FW and then at 12 take the best D available assuming there's some left

 

[bcv]

And I’m not scared that he can’t take the pressure of being a 1st round pick of MTL. He got the personality to perform under that type of pressure


You will quickly become happy with that pick

If he is picked and I become happy, it's the happy ending I'm looking for.

But the way I see it right now, he's:

Not that talented
Another 5'11 "powerforward"

Certainly not my cup of tea

 

[junyab]

I love that we get a new guy to root for every 4-5 days. We've gone from Michkov, to Benson, to Smith, to Dvorsky, to Reinbacher, to Leonard. Go us and our indecision!

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think the assumption that the Coyotes take him at 6 is just that...assumption

I put myself in their shoes, the forward quality at 6 is close to elite levels, if I'm them I go FW and then at 12 take the best D available assuming there's some left

It's noise coming from the combine.. and the Coyotes have already invested heavily up front in the draft. The highest defenseman they've drafted in recent memory is who, Lamoureux?

I do like the Sam Bennett comparaison

Hope he's just coping.. we better not be dipping into Gauthier with a 1st our 2nd round pick, especially if we go Reinbacher or Leonard at the top of the draft.

Give me someone with some f***ing swing for the fences skill.

 

[Vachon23]

It's noise coming from the combine.. and the Coyotes have already invested heavily up front in the draft. The highest defenseman they've drafted in recent memory is who, Lamoureux?



Hope he's just coping.. we better not be dipping into Gauthier with a 1st our 2nd round pick, especially if we go Reinbacher or Leonard at the top of the draft.

Give me someone with some f***ing swing for the fences skill.

I think you just don’t like the Gauthier family (Lamoureux is Gauthier brother in law )

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think you just don’t like the Gauthier family (Lamoureux is Gauthier brother in law )

Hahaha, I didn't know that.. but I don't think I was much of a fan of Gauthier's dad either.

Unconscious bias lol

 

[morhilane]

It's noise coming from the combine.. and the Coyotes have already invested heavily up front in the draft. The highest defenseman they've drafted in recent memory is who, Lamoureux?

Soderstrom in 2019 (11 overall), then Lamoureux last year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Soderstrom in 2019 (11 overall), then Lamoureux last year.

Yeah, I can see them being super interested in adding Reinbacher.