HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why would anyone's feelings get hurt if they took Michkov after the sense being they won't?

The opposite.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The opposite.

But your reply was to a post that was saying fans were dumb for believing the media that the Habs weren't considering Michkov. That insinuates that you think people who buy that line of thinking are protecting themselves, but if it is a media smokescreen what would they be protecting themselves from?

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

His 'scouts' is probably snake boisvert

Snake thinks Montreal should 100% be taking Michkov.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

But your reply was to a post that was saying fans were dumb for believing the media that the Habs weren't considering Michkov. That insinuates that you think people who buy that line of thinking are protecting themselves, but if it is a media smokescreen what would they be protecting themselves from?

Protect themselves because they think it's true.

It's rampant in this thread. People even admit to it. "Rumor is we're taking Reinbacher or Leonard, I'll accept it now, so i don't get pissed off when thry don't pick Michkov".

Even yourself, you even warned me not to meltdown when thry don't pick him. It's stress management 101. Expect the most negative outcome so that you don't get disappointed.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

To me there are two possible answers
1. They aren’t considering him whatsoever
or
2. They’re lying

OR 3. You have trust issues.

The list isn't finalized yet. They're waiting until after the combine.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Snake thinks Montreal should 100% be taking Michkov.

Didn't know

OR 3. You have trust issues.

The list isn't finalized yet. They're waiting until after the combine.

It's not about trust issues FFS. All managers are playing a poker game right now.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Protect themselves because they think it's true.

It's rampant in this thread. People even admit to it. "Rumor is we're taking Reinbacher or Leonard, I'll accept it now, so i don't get pissed off when thry don't pick Michkov".

Even yourself, you even warned me not to meltdown when thry don't pick him. It's stress management 101. Expect the most negative outcome so that you don't get disappointed.

That's not at all how the thread here has played out, but sure.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That's not at all how the thread here has played out, but sure.

Go re-read it. There's a load of posts doing just that.

As soon as the Athletic report went out, you went in automatic mode, "it's Reinbacher or Leonard if Smith isn't there".

It's predictability vs control. We have no control over the outcome, so to manage stress, many will simply go with predictability. Also, it's mostly subconscious, so if you aren't aware you're doing it, you probably won't be aware of others doing it.

 

[SOLR]

Go re-read it. There's a load of posts doing just that.

As soon as the Athletic report went out, you went in automatic mode, "it's Reinbacher or Leonard if Smith isn't there".

It's predictability vs control. We have no control over the outcome, so to manage stress, many will simply go with predictability. Also, it's mostly subconscious, so if you aren't aware you're doing it, you probably won't be aware of others doing it.

I think it's fair to counterbalance this assertion, with the fact that someone could just be trying to predict the outcome for fun. Where I think @WeThreeKings is coming from. The stories in the media could be true, we just don't know that they are.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think it's fair to counterbalance this assertion, with the fact that someone could just be trying to predict the outcome for fun. Where I think @WeThreeKings is coming from. The stories in the media could be true, we just don't know that they are.

But that's my whole point. We don't know, yet many are taking this to the bank as de facto.

I've seen posts saying

-"my mind is now ready for the Habs to pick Reinbacher or Leonard."

-"Habs always do this. They're gonna pick character over skill"

"It's gonna be Leonard or Reinbacher. We can't have nice things"

And so on.

 

[Vachon23]

"It's gonna be Leonard or Reinbacher. We can't have nice things"

Anyone who says that are just dumb

Those are 2 elites players that will help that team a lot

 

[Gustave]

Etienne Morin at 37, anyone here up for it? Another LD but solid potential offensively.

 

[Mrb1p]

Anyone who says that are just dumb

Those are 2 elites players that will help that team a lot

Meier and Werenski are two very valuable players and any team drafting them would be incredibly happy to get them.

Theyd be incredibly mad if they passed over Mcdavid Eichel Tkachuk and Marner for them though.

 

[David Suzuki]

Anyone who says that are just dumb

Those are 2 elites players that will help that team a lot

so in one thread we can’t be sure that michkov is an elite talent because nothint is sure, but leonard and reinbacher are guranteed elite talents

 

[Mrb1p]

Etienne Morin at 37, anyone here up for it? Another LD but solid potential offensively.

I have time for morin from like the 14th pick.

Dont think he lasts until 14, if he does though hes an easy one.

 

[Gustave]

I have time for morin from like the 14th pick.

Dont think he lasts until 14, if he does though hes an easy one.

14 is « early » from a projections stand point no? I like him a lot so I wouldn’t bat an eyelash as a mid/late first round selection but I don’t feel like he has a lot of traction.

 

[Vachon23]

so in one thread we can’t be sure that michkov is an elite talent because nothint is sure, but leonard and reinbacher are guranteed elite talents

The nothing is sure is on who is gonna end up better, not that there elite prospect

 

[Mrb1p]

14 is « early » from a projections stand point no? I like him a lot so I wouldn’t bat an eyelash as a mid/late first round selection but I don’t feel like he has a lot of traction.

I meant dont think he lasts until 37.

I see him picked in the 20s, maybe early 30.

 

[Vachon23]

Meier and Werenski are two very valuable players and any team drafting them would be incredibly happy to get them.

Theyd be incredibly mad if they passed over Mcdavid Eichel Tkachuk and Marner for them though.

Argument can be said that M.Tkachuk is more valuable then Panarin/Kaprisov though

Etienne Morin at 37, anyone here up for it? Another LD but solid potential offensively.

Wouldn’t complain for sure

 

[Doublechin]

With respect, the red flags you listed in the previous post don't actually exist by any factual metric. They're essentially lies.

Want Michkov's Weaknesses?
-Sometimes watches the puck or gets lost in his zone while defending (keeping in mind he's 18 in a men's league)
-Not certain his high-end puck handling in a phone booth will work at the speed of the NHL level, but his other skills should translate
-Sometimes forces plays

Michkov is being touted as a superstar because he is doing superstar things. He's putting up generational numbers in the second best league in the world with all-world skills. When people look like they have generational talent, they don't fail in the NHL that often.

Wright was plateauing last year. There were legit concerns surrounding him. He was still my pick, and I found Slaf way more concerning (I had him 6th), but I would have been ok with Cooley or Jiricek or something. That's a little different than this whole narrative of Shane Wright being some kind of savior. I think this forum was mostly measured on their expectations for Wright, given the weak draft year.

The idea that the entire Habs fanbase other than Garbageyuk are a monolith that act like a group of idiots and tout rando skill players as the next savior is ridiculous.

This is not some random skill guy. This is a player that was touted as being neck-in-neck with Bedard his entire career. Ryan Leonard, Reinbarcher, and f***ing Dvorsky don't even come close to measuring up.

With Wright, the writing was on the wall, his draft year was as flat as they come, then came the interviews and you could tell the mental toughness that is required to play the role might not be sufficient here. People kept finding excuses and when playoffs started, we were promised that he will now show up...he didn't.

With Michkov, those gms are not questioning his offensive ability, none questioned Yakupov's ability back then even thought the concerns were similar, although Yakupov was bigger and more physical.

With Michkov, there's elite offense but underwhelming everything else including skating and size ohhhhhhhh and a massive foreign policy situation. Remove the foreign policy issue and he's easily gone top 3. With it, who knows. As fans, it seems like an easy desicion, for a GM, most likely getting multiple people involved in this desicion including the owner, it ain't.

 

[jaffy27]

Meier and Werenski are two very valuable players and any team drafting them would be incredibly happy to get them.

Theyd be incredibly mad if they passed over Mcdavid Eichel Tkachuk and Marner for them though.

Thing is we are picking 5th, not 3rd, so we are not really passing on McDavid, Eichel, Marner or Tkachuk, all those players were ranked top 4.

When we are being called upon to make a selection at this years draft, the only player we may “pass” on is Michkov for the obvious reasons.

Now, if I’m the Habs, Michkov is my guy at 5, but don’t be surprised if it’s Leonard or Reinbacher (honorable mention to Benson) as they are probably the most skilled players after the top 5.

Leonard and Reinbacher is not a reach nor will it be a disappointment unless we pass on Carlsson if he falls and to a lesser extent Smith.

 

[Gainesvillain]

Michkov is gonna fall like Wright.
Just accept it now so you dont crash the server on us.

I’ll take the other side of that bet. When the rubber meets the road on draft day & things get real, someone will take him top 5.

The servers will crash either way, of course.

 

[HomaridII]

Craig Button's list is out.

At no.5 he has --- Axel Sandin-Pellikka

Craig's List: Plenty of intrigue surrounding Matvei Michkov ahead of NHL Draft | TSN

Connor Bedard is the runaway favourite to be taken first overall by the Blackhawks on June 28 in Nashville but don’t be surprised if Matvei Michkov ends up being the biggest talking point.

www.tsn.ca

 

[waitin425]

Craig Button's list is out.

At no.5 he has --- Axel Sandin-Pellikka

Craig's List: Plenty of intrigue surrounding Matvei Michkov ahead of NHL Draft | TSN

Connor Bedard is the runaway favourite to be taken first overall by the Blackhawks on June 28 in Nashville but don’t be surprised if Matvei Michkov ends up being the biggest talking point.

www.tsn.ca

 

[BergevinBurner]

Craig Button's list is out.

At no.5 he has --- Axel Sandin-Pellikka

Craig's List: Plenty of intrigue surrounding Matvei Michkov ahead of NHL Draft | TSN

Connor Bedard is the runaway favourite to be taken first overall by the Blackhawks on June 28 in Nashville but don’t be surprised if Matvei Michkov ends up being the biggest talking point.

www.tsn.ca

ASP, Sale and Willander all in the top 10. Spicy list lol.