HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Mrb1p]

Yes but who where those players with high character ?

McCarron ? Galchenyuk ? Sherback ? Beaulieu (wasn’t draft by MB thoug), Poehling ?

Those guys all miss that high character to be successful

Poehling, Struble, Harris, Kotkaniemi were all praised for their character early.

It was mostly of a pro scouting thing though.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

RHP has his spot opposite from Slaf IMO. Thats where hell have success. Plug whoever between them and watch teams scream for help. RHP brings the IQ Slaf lacks and Slaf brings the physical attributes.

Dach would probably work well with them. I'm really excited to see how sustainable RHP's impact will be, the underlying numbers made it look like a lot more than just a hot streak but I find hw gets left out of a lot of discussions about the Habs' future.

 

[Vachon23]

Poehling, Struble, Harris, Kotkaniemi were all praised for their character early.

It was mostly of a pro scouting thing though.

Agree for Struble and Harris but I was more pointing 1st round pick

If they had Poehling and KK with high character, there evaluation of character was just not good then (What I do think was a problem)

 

[Mrb1p]

Agree for Struble and Harris but I was more pointing 1st round pick

If they had Poehling and KK with high character, there evaluation of character was just not good then (What I do think was a

Theyre both determined player that play gritty games and leave it all on the ice. Kotkaniemi is literally a defensive specialist that plays physical at this point, unsure how hes not a high character player.

 

[ginomini]

Poehling, Struble, Harris, Kotkaniemi were all praised for their character early.

It was mostly of a pro scouting thing though.

To be fair, I would have preferred the full high character draft strategy . Timmins/Bergevin definitely prioritized physical traits over character.
Full character first round draft from 2013 to 2021:
Hartman, Kempe/Lemieux, Juulsen, McLeod/McAvoy, Peohling, Tkachuk, Krebs, Guhle, Greig.

 

[Habs Icing]

That's for damn sure. He's non-existent even when he is in defensive zone.

Al Arbour's reply when he was told Bossy couldn't play defence, "If he can score, I can teach him to play defence."

 

[Habs Icing]

We can draft such a player at 5th overall lol. Why are we debating this or justifying HuGo’s bad decisions. Mgmt can peddle whatever bs they want doesn’t mean we have to repeat it in here. It’s a bad decision to not draft him. HuGo will live to regret it.

To be fair, no decision has been revealed as of now.

 

[Vachon23]

Theyre both determined player that play gritty games and leave it all on the ice. Kotkaniemi is literally a defensive specialist that plays physical at this point, unsure how hes not a high character player.

High character players for me is not someone who plays well defensively or are physical. In fact it doesn’t have nothing do to with there game

It‘s more how they have the drive to be the best player possible, how hard they compete, how they react to critics, how they handle failure , how they will do everything they can to win games, how they can quickly forget a mistake, how they will make every sacrifice, how he treats people around him and put the team in front of his personal success

It’s more a personality thing that you have in you. Best exemple is Cole Caufield that I do consider as a high character player.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Al Arbour's reply when he was told Bossy couldn't play defence, "If he can score, I can teach him to play defence."

He's no where close to that type of player. Good argument for Michkov though.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If they highly value compete level then I'd imagine Benson should also be getting heavy consideration.

Both Leonard and Dvorsky are high compete players who will likely both be there and there is zero chance imo that they take Benson over either one of these guys. Hughes has stated in the past that the team needed more size and using a 5 OA on a sub 5'10" forward who has questions about his skating and shot seems extremely unlikely. Benson is the only player commonly listed in the top 10 that I absolutely do not want with the 5th pick of this draft.

I suspect that Reinbacher is high on their list as well even if I think 5 OA is reaching in his case but there is no way I see them taking Benson over him either.

There......now I have done it and cemented Benson as our pick at 5 OA lol.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

If it's true that San Jose is looking at Smith at 4, then I'm about 95% sure Leonard is our pick. I don't think they're going to go with Reinbacher.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Drafting a guy like Cristall, or Sale, or Musty or Ciernik or Lardis or any other high octane offensive player who doesn't exactly play The Right Way™ is a balancing act between what you get when you're right versus how often you're wrong.

You may look at a guy like Cristall and say ''that guy busts 3 out of 4 times'' which may even be correct. But if Cristall hits, that will more than likely compensate for the lost pick value except for at the very top of the draft.

I’d be fine with Cristall late first just from a pure value standpoint, but don’t we already have our Cristall in Joshua Roy?

 

[Natey]

Top-10 according to... me! Let's see everyone else's list.

1. Bedard
2. Carlsson
3. Fantilli
4. Benson
5. Michkov
6. Leonard
7. Smith
8. Reinbecher
9. Honzek
10. Willander

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Poehling, Struble, Harris, Kotkaniemi were all praised for their character early.

It was mostly of a pro scouting thing though.

KK certainly proved to have a massive ego and I think it hurt him.

 

[Vachon23]

A lot of talk about Habs not considering Michkov

But one thing I really don’t like from what we hear is how they don’t consider Zach Benson.

That kid is the real deal and I do think passing on him could hurt us big time

 

[ginomini]

I’d be fine with Cristall late first just from a pure value standpoint, but don’t we already have our Cristall in Joshua Roy?

Home run swings cannot be influenced by current prospect pool, because they technically have a lower hit chance!

 

[Vachon23]

High picks cannot be influenced by current prospect pool, because they technically have a lower hit chance!

That’s better !

We don’t know what the teams will look like in 4-5 years

 

[NotProkofievian]

I’d be fine with Cristall late first just from a pure value standpoint, but don’t we already have our Cristall in Joshua Roy?

Porque no los dos?

 

[Kennerback]

If it's true that San Jose is looking at Smith at 4, then I'm about 95% sure Leonard is our pick. I don't think they're going to go with Reinbacher.

It’s really looking like it’ll be SJ‘s pick if Columbus don’t take him. Surprises could be Anaheim not taking Fantilli or Columbus not taking Carlsson.

This combine has made clear that some teams drafting ahead of us really like Smith.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I was just thinking that we hadn't shit on KK in this thread in a while.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Porque no los dos?

Roy was a 5th rounder remember…

I mean it all comes down to where you think the value is. Dart throws can be made later in the draft as well. But if Cristall is the top guy on the board we should definitely take him. Wouldn’t mind an RD and a Goalie with 31/37 myself though. Think that’s a prime spot to get two great prospects at those positions with where the value is in this draft.

 

[Kaladin]

So if San Jose passes on Michkov and then Montreal does it at 5, that's now two front offices that shouldn't manage a NHL team.

Then Arizona doesn't do it.

And then Philadelphia passes.

Do we then submit that maybe it's not an easy call? That either the player, the situation, a combination of both, has more elements to consider than what we've been subjected to?

I mean many teams passed on Caufield the NHL front offices aren't exactly littered with geniuses. It may not be a *easy* call but it sure as heck is the right one. A former GM on some podcast got interviewed and said only a GM that knows he's got job security for a few years would even risk getting a Michkov that high because they won't see him for a few years. I submit to you there's a lot more of job insecurity, short sightedness/god complex that only a player developed by them will be good and russian phobia happening then anything else. And all of these teams will live to regret it. Most of these GM's will be fired by then so they don't care what's better for the team in the long term.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

It’s really looking like it’ll be SJ‘s pick if Columbus don’t take him. Surprises could be Anaheim not taking Fantilli or Columbus not taking Carlsson.

This combine has made clear that some teams drafting ahead of us really like Smith.

I could see Columbus taking him since they're pretty playmaker heavy (even Laine has begun to skew in that direction), and they're looking for an all around threat. As it stands right now, Carlsson's shot is not dangerous like Smith's is, and as slick as his hands are I don't think he's as good in close quarters as Smith is.

He can bench 330 though, so I really really doubt TT passes on him.

 

[Vachon23]

Just did an other draft simulator (I'm eager to when Bob McKenzie list will be out and we will have the possibility to do it with that list)

To have the most realistic scenario possible, I auto pick Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Smith and I auto pick Reinbacher/Dvorsky in the top 10 and Wood/Williander in the top 15

5. Ryan Leonard
27 (31+ 59 + 109). Edouard Sale
37. Michael Hrabal
101. Tanner Ludkte
128. Matthew Mania
133. Jacob Fowler
144. Jaden Lipinski
165: Axel Landen
197. Sawyer Mynio

 

[River Meadow]

Just did an other draft simulator (I'm eager to when Bob McKenzie list will be out and we will have the possibility to do it with that list)

To have the most realistic scenario possible, I auto pick Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Smith and I auto pick Reinbacher/Dvorsky in the top 10 and Wood/Williander in the top 15

5. Ryan Leonard
27 (31+ 59 + 109). Edouard Sale
37. Michael Hrabal
101. Tanner Ludkte
128. Matthew Mania
133. Jacob Fowler
144. Jaden Lipinski
165: Axel Landen
197. Sawyer Mynio

5. Ryan Leonard
27 (31+ 59 + 109). Edouard Sale
37. Michael Hrabal

^^This would be beautiful.