HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[Seb]

Who’s ignored that fact? If he wasn’t playing big minutes in a strong men’s league he wouldn’t be considered as a first round pick.

You are ignoring it because you keep putting his ceiling at 2/3D when he's already been playing on the top line in a men's league. We would be picking Reinbacher because he has #1D potential and is much closer to hit his potential than the other forwards at that spot.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Of course he will be. Im just saying hes gonna be a top 5 redraft and be drafted ourside the top 5 because sIZe

Or... Exactly at 5?

 

[WinterLion]

Some people still have Benson above Smith. He was above Smith on most rankings until after the U18's. Smith is bigger and better at the things he does well... but Benson does many more things and is overall more dynamic.

Regarding Smith vs Reinbacher: they both have things to work on. I am all for taking Smith if you think he can keep growing and become better at fighting through tight checking. If you believe Reinbacher is just scratching the surface he would be hard to pass on though...

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

Sale is a good candidate.

I think it's Matthew Wood.

Quentin Musty, Daniil But, Gracyn Sawchyn, Koehn Ziemmer, Matthew Mania, Aydar Suniev and Aram Minnetiam are some other candidates.

 

[SlafySZN]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

The obvious ones Leonard and Benson

But if you mean players we don’t see top 10 as of now i’d say maybe Musty.

 

[SOLR]

Simply put, it’s hard to believe Reinbacher is both a flawless player AND has exceptional strengths across a variety of a variety of valuable hockey qualities.

His stats are impressive. I just want a more consistent evaluation criteria that matches what so many other scouts can see. My gut says his purported strengths are not as strong as this message board insists.

With you on that, I rank him around 10. Austrian leagues aren't exactly comparable to much of anything - but he's shown a propensity to adjust fast and play above his level, so maybe I'm wrong. I just don't see high-end offensive potential and that puts him closer to Guhle/Schneider in my book than someone who has a shot at becoming a #1D. I think he can become a #2D - but he's likely to be a 3rd-4th D for some time.

 

[Mrb1p]

Or... Exactly at 5?

Id love it

 

[SOLR]

If Michkov is gone I would trade down with Pheonix, there I said it. 6 and 12 for 5 and 31-32

I don't see much difference between Smith, Leonard, Reinbacher or Dvorsky, and I would rather pick again at 12 vs. 31 to grab a Yager/Wood. Then make another trade to get 20ish to grab a goalie.

Much better for the schedule of the rebuild.

 

[NotProkofievian]

If Michkov is gone I would trade down with Pheonix, there I said it. 6 and 12 for 5 and 31-32

I always support the big brain trade down takes.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Michkov is gone I would trade down with Pheonix, there I said it. 6 and 12 for 5 and 31-32

I'd do it if Smith is gone and we aren't taking Michkov.. but I don't see a scenario where Arizona agrees to this.

 

[Draft]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

If Musty or Cristall hit, they're going to hit big.

I can easily see But and Simashev being very effective NHLers, but I'm not sure I see top-4 worthy given that they still can't seem to dominate/produce with their tools at lower levels yet.

 

[SOLR]

I'd do it if Smith is gone and we aren't taking Michkov.. but I don't see a scenario where Arizona agrees to this.

FOMO for their top pick, potentially. They have a lot more quantity than us so they are even more enticed to get the player they want. Or maybe we do the other trade first and give them 5 and 20 if that is the issue.

 

[Draft]

If Michkov is gone I would trade down with Pheonix, there I said it. 6 and 12 for 5 and 31-32

I don't see much difference between Smith, Leonard, Reinbacher or Dvorsky, and I would rather pick again at 12 vs. 31 to grab a Yager/Wood. Then make another trade to get 20ish to grab a goalie.

Much better for the schedule of the rebuild.

I don't see ARI going for it.

However, DET at 9+17 could be an interesting alternative. End up with Dvorsky/Reinbacher/Benson/Leonard/Wood and a shot at Moore/Cristall/Willander/ASP/Sale.

 

[SOLR]

I don't see ARI going for it.

However, DET at 9+17 could be an interesting alternative. End up with Dvorsky/Reinbacher/Benson/Leonard/Wood and a shot at Moore/Cristall/Willander/ASP/Sale.

9 and 17 ain't enough to get 5. Would cost them a 2nd round at least as well. That's quite a bit more risky in my view. We want 2 of the top 12 or Michkov.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

9 and 17 for 5 straight up?, then trade up from 9? also a possibility

9 and 17 would be the minimum offer for me to entertain trading 5. I'd actually be relatively comfortable doing that as, worst case, you probably end up with Dvorsky (best case Benson). However, I would then try to move up from 17 to 12 and grab a reallyyyy solid player still (ideally Wood).

 

[le_sean]

If Michkov is gone I would trade down with Pheonix, there I said it. 6 and 12 for 5 and 31-32

I don't see much difference between Smith, Leonard, Reinbacher or Dvorsky, and I would rather pick again at 12 vs. 31 to grab a Yager/Wood. Then make another trade to get 20ish to grab a goalie.

Much better for the schedule of the rebuild.

Why would they make that trade? The value is horrible. Dropping 20 spots in the 1st to move up 1.

 

[Draft]

9 and 17 for 5 straight up?, then trade up from 9? also a possibility

9+17 for 5 works based on draft pick value charts, but I think it would depend on what DET is aiming for in this draft. If they want Smith/Michkov and HuGo think they can land their guy (Dvorsky, Leonard, Reinbacher, Benson) at 9, it's a great move.

With the depth of this draft, I think there's a strong chance teams will target a really broad range of players with their 1st. Good chance we see guys like Willander, Simashev, But, Danielson, etc. in the top-20 and players like Cristall, Musty, Gauthier, etc. fall to the late 1st.

 

[SOLR]

Why would they make that trade? The value is horrible. Dropping 20 spots in the 1st to move up 1.

"So... we know you want Reinbacher, we'll take him unless you trade us X to get him"

But as I said, we have other options to make value work if that is required.

 

[rochab]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

I think that just due to their size that if But or Simashev can put it all together they could be monsters in this league. Also, if Cristall could improve his skating and learn when to use his skill more judiciously he could be really good. Wood would have to improve his skating tremendously, but he's young and growing into his body... Finally, my favorite player who's ceiling I think is really high is Moore. You can't teach his speed and if the rest of his game improves a lot, watch out!

 

[le_sean]

"So... we know you want Reinbacher, we'll take him unless you trade us X to get him"

But as I said, we have other options to make value work if that is required.

“If you truly liked Reinbacher you’d just take him. Go ahead and make your pick”

 

[NotProkofievian]

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

I'm not necessarily asking who you think has the best odds, but just based on intuition or feeling. Personally, I see Sale putting his shit together and becoming great, and Ritchie probably going high in a redraft as well.

Sale is a good bet. Reinbacher

Wood. Cristall. Danielson. I do like the cut of Brindley's jib.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Have probably posted this here before, but here's a video that I think is a good summation of the bullish side on Reinbacher.

Quick question for whoever wants to play:
Considering historical trends and the very low odds that the "big 4" actually end up as the 4 best players from this draft, who do you think is a surprise top4 in a redraft 5+ years from now?

Wood could really pop. The size/skill/shot are just ridiculous and if he can get to something approaching average NHL skating ability he could be a really special player.

Reinbacher too but maybe that's not exactly "surprise". That could just be a thing where he goes 5th or 6th and hits his 80th percentile outcome while Smith goes at 3rd or 4th and hits his 30th percentile and becomes a good winger but nothing special.

With you on that, I rank him around 10. Austrian leagues aren't exactly comparable to much of anything

David Reinbacher plays in Switzerland. In the Swiss National League. For EHC Kloten, in Kloten, Switzerland. He has been playing in Switzerland since he was like 11 years old. Have people been discussing him this entire time thinking he plays in Austria? A huge part of why people want him in the first place is because the Swiss league is a very good league and he had an excellent year there.

 

[SOLR]

Have probably posted this here before, but here's a video that I think is a good summation of the bullish side on Reinbacher.

Wood could really pop. The size/skill/shot are just ridiculous and if he can get to something approaching average NHL skating ability he could be a really special player.

Reinbacher too but maybe that's not exactly "surprise". That could just be a thing where he goes 5th or 6th and hits his 80th percentile outcome while Smith goes at 3rd or 4th and hits his 30th percentile and becomes a good winger but nothing special.

David Reinbacher plays in Switzerland. In the Swiss National League. For EHC Kloten, in Kloten, Switzerland. He has been playing in Switzerland since he was like 11 years old. Have people been discussing him this entire time thinking he plays in Austria? A huge part of why people want him in the first place is because the Swiss league is a very good league and he had an excellent year there.

My brain fart haha - Fridaysss

Doesn't change my argument....

 

[BoneHutson]

With you on that, I rank him around 10. Austrian leagues aren't exactly comparable to much of anything - but he's shown a propensity to adjust fast and play above his level, so maybe I'm wrong. I just don't see high-end offensive potential and that puts him closer to Guhle/Schneider in my book than someone who has a shot at becoming a #1D. I think he can become a #2D - but he's likely to be a 3rd-4th D for some time.

He played in the Swiss league lol. One of the top leagues un europe and arguably a top 5 league in the world. Just shows you dont know what youre talking about.