HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[DramaticGloveSave]

That's not what you asked, but now that you've stoped speaking in clichés I can answer yes to that question.

Well to play on a PP1 as a dman you either have to be able to QB or as WTK brought up you can be an elite shooter like Shea Weber. Doesn’t matter though, since Reinbacher doesn’t project to be either of those things.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I see we've moved on from arguing about Leonard. Now we are arguing about Reinbacher. You miss the Leonard argument? Don't worry, it will resurface several times in the next 4 weeks...

 

[G0bias]

Where is this idea that Reinbacher got luckier production coming from? lol

Is it from that one "scout report" who couldn't have bothered to check the primary assist spread?

 

[SwiftyHab]

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

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I think you should stick around WTK, but do what you've got to do. Take care buddy!

 

[NotProkofievian]

Well to play on a PP1 as a dman you either have to be able to QB or as WTK brought up you can be an elite shooter like Shea Weber. Doesn’t matter though, since Reinbacher doesn’t project to be either of those things.

Except he can do a lot of things that PPs need, but when provided evidence of these things you'll just say he's not ''elite'' or ''true'' or ''quality'' or ''sigma'' or some such.

 

[Seb]

Well to play on a PP1 as a dman you either have to be able to QB or as WTK brought up you can be an elite shooter like Shea Weber. Doesn’t matter though, since Reinbacher doesn’t project to be either of those things.

But he does.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Except he can do a lot of things that PPs need, but when provided evidence of these things you'll just say he's not ''elite'' or ''true'' or ''quality'' or ''sigma'' or some such.

He can do those things, but can he do them at a high enough level to play a PP1 in the NHL? That is the question.

Just look at our organization, does he play the PP1 over a Hutson? A Mailloux? No. He probably plays PP2 with Guhle…

 

[le_sean]

Where is this idea that Reinbacher got luckier production coming from? lol

Is it from that one "scout report" who couldn't have bothered to check the primary assist spread?

I’m sure there’s an incoming 60 mins video by Grant about the things Reinbacher does “wrong”

ie “Positions stick at 35 degree angle rather than 37.5 degree. Very low IQ move”

“Shoots and scores lucky goal when best option was passing”

“Jersey slightly tucked in on one side. Bad character?”

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

But he does.

So you think he projects as an elite facilitator and elite shooter? While also having size and being a great skater? Where is he on your draft board then???

 

[Seb]

That's true if you think David Reinbacher's potential is Chiarot. Not if you believe he his potential is similar to Seider.

This tweet presents opinion as facts.

 

[Seb]

So you think he projects as an elite facilitator and elite shooter? While also having size and being a great skater? Where is he on your draft board then???

I do believe he has the attributes to be QB on the PP1, I'm not sure what else to say. Markov and Weber were both very different players and both did it.

I have him 6th in the same tier as Smith. I would be ecstatic if we picked him 5th.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I do believe he has the attributes to be QB on the PP1, I'm not sure what else to say. Markov and Weber were both very different player and both did it.

I have him 6th in the same tier as Smith. I would be ecstatic if we picked him 5th.

Markov was an elite facilitator while Weber had an elite shot.

 

[Egresch]

Eichel and Stone would both be in the top 50, they just were injured. 5 top 50 players

Ok, let's work with 5. Are Stone or Verhaeghe those "elite offensive talent" players that we are looking for? My answer is No.
Points are very tough to analyze, because you have very small sample size. Specifically for Dvorsky is isalmost impossible. How many 1st rounders played their Dseason in Alsvenskan? Were they centers, did they play weak team? 3rd line and limited PP. You might end up with 1 or 2 names.
There is no reliable statistical model. That is why teams do actual scouting.

 

[Jack Skellington]

Markov was an elite facilitator while Weber had an elite shot.

Is John Carlson an elite distributor in your opinion?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Guys I'm starting to suspect Reinbacher might not be on the sigma grindset and therefore not on track to be an elite mega QB.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

No scout has compared him to Makar. The best comparison I've seen for him is Parayko

He's no Makar, but he's also no Parayko. Much more active. Better offensive instincts. Less physical. Better skater.

I definitely wouldn't draft a Parayko 5th

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Our 1st round pick from FLA is 31/32, why wouldnt' we use that on a goalie if we'd use one in the 2nd round? I don't think there's a good argument to not take a goalie in the 1st if he's the best player on your board.

I feel like there's going to be a/some good faller(s) at 31, and there's a certain cutoff for me after that. I'd like to either trade up from 31, or trade down from 37. Just smart asset management imo, considering the draft class.

For example; there's no way I'm drafting a goalie ahead of Musty, Cristall or Heidt at 31/32. Once the best forwards left are Nadeau or Perron... Then I'm starting to think about it.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Moronic take. Go get me one then if they're so cheap.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Is John Carlson an elite distributor in your opinion?

If we had the greatest shooter of all time we wouldn’t need one.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Moronic take. Go get me one then if they're so cheap.

Just for fun, a lot of people on here should go on Capfriendly dot com and try to figure out how we could acquire a first pair RD. Even prospects who have yet to play in the NHL wouldn't be traded by their team (Clarke, Nemec, Jiricek). FA has Severson this year, Pesce next year. That's pretty much it.

Now, if Michkov is available, I think most of us can agree that it's a different story. Right? But if he isn't, and you want to build a perennial contender, having a top-3 overall D in the league could be the way to go. Once you're sending out;

Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - X
Matheson - Barron

... Sheesh. Now watch Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slaf and PLD rack up the points.

 

[Toene]

If a 6'2 forward with great skating had the same DY production in Liiga than Reinbacher in NL, people would cream their pants over such a player. NL is very close in quality than Liiga if not higher, and DR is a defenseman. It's the best paying pro league in Europe after the KHL iirc. A lot of good international pro players go play there.

I know Im gonna get some laughs with that name but take David Desharnais for example. Sure he was very limited but he still was a NHL player with ~half a ppg for a bunch of years, which is a wet dream for the average NL player. Well, he didn't set the NL on fire at all. He did fine. Helps adjusting the scope with which you examine Reinbachers numbers, it becomes pretty impressive for an 18yo defenseman. It's never a sure thing, but what kind of production would people then expect for them to be satisfied and confident? .75ppg with double-digit goals? Come on.

 

[le_sean]

Just for fun, a lot of people on here should go on Capfriendly dot com and try to figure out how we could acquire a first pair RD. Even prospects who have yet to play in the NHL wouldn't be traded by their team (Clarke, Nemec, Jiricek). FA has Severson this year, Pesce next year. That's pretty much it.

Now, if Michkov is available, I think most of us can agree that it's a different story. Right? But if he isn't, and you want to build a perennial contender, having a top-3 overall D in the league could be the way to go. Once you're sending out;

Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - X
Matheson - Barron

... Sheesh. Now watch Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slaf and PLD rack up the points.

Funniest part is he uses Dougie Hamilton as an example of a similar type of defenceman that was acquired via free agency. Yeah, then NJD became a playoff team. So wouldn’t drafting a Dougie and having him cost controlled be that much more beneficial? And it’s also completely ignoring the fact that we cannot sign big time free agents in Montreal. They always have no interest in coming unless there’s a massive overpayment.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

f*** it, just draft Ethan Gauthier at 5th

 

[ReHabs]

Funniest part is he uses Dougie Hamilton as an example of a similar type of defenceman that was acquired via free agency. Yeah, then NJD became a playoff team. So wouldn’t drafting a Dougie and having him cost controlled be that much more beneficial? And it’s also completely ignoring the fact that we cannot sign big time free agents in Montreal. They always have no interest in coming unless there’s a massive overpayment.

"Cost controlled" is irrelevant. If Reinbacher is good he will be 7m+ not long after his ELC expires.

We need a top forward, I'm not sure why everyone is deluding themselves into thinking otherwise.