HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[le_sean]

Considering they have similar physical tools, as you yourself say, I’d say the upside is similar as well. Just because one got luckier production doesn’t offset that.

Lol luckier production.

It’s almost as if offensive awareness changes from player to player and just because they have similar physical tools doesn’t mean they will produce similarly.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I loved Dobson and would say Dobson was definitely more dynamic at the same age.

I had Dobson 4th or 5th I don't recall exactly. I don't think he was as good as Reinbacher, or at least I don't think he would have done anywhere near as well in the same situation.

What I find hilarious is people bristle at the idea of weighing prospect production by the historical value, but use a relatively free hand in saying that this or that production is lucky or overvalued or the kid's a bust because no karaktere. Like, yeah, that's probably going to be more accurate in the long run.

 

[Team_Spirit]

*Good!! Morning Wood. I mean GM, Wood is raising.*

-Pierre McGuire

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I had Dobson 4th or 5th I don't recall exactly. I don't think he was as good as Reinbacher, or at least I don't think he would have done anywhere near as well in the same situation.

What I find hilarious is people bristle at the idea of weighing prospect production by the historical value, but use a relatively free hand in saying that this or that production is lucky or overvalued or the kid's a bust because no karaktere. Like, yeah, that's probably going to be more accurate in the long run.

I look at traits first and foremost. Reinbacher is never going to be a PP1 QB. He’s never going to rack up big time assists. These are just facts. He might score some goals, but he doesn’t have that 20 goal potential like a Mailloux. He looks like a 35-40ish point guy through and through. How exactly do you expect him to rack up points?

*Good!! Morning Wood. I mean GM, Wood is raising.*

-Pierre McGuire

I’d say those are the right ten names.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I look at traits first and foremost. Reinbacher is never going to be a PP1 QB. He’s never going to rack up big time assists. These are just facts. He might score some goals, but he doesn’t have that 20 goal potential like a Mailloux. He looks like a 35-40ish point guy through and through. How exactly do you expect him to rack up points?


I’d say those are the right ten names.

Those are not facts, those are opinions.

I think he's going to rack up points how he got more than any draft eligible dman ever did in the NL: by first and foremost being a big minute horse who dominates in transition. Secondly by getting lots of pucks to the net. Thirdly by creating in zone oppertunities with his skating and reach. I think you're bordering on contempt for his projected offensive growth. I don't know how to explain this to someone who ''doesnt watch a bunch of random leagues,'' but kids. don't. normally. look. like. david. against. pros.

How someone has a hard on for Broberg, but doesn't like Reinbacher is beyond me.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I mean, I've been doing a couple of simulations and I always end up trading back from 37 to 45-ish and pick who's left between Bjarnasson and Hrabal. I would never pick a goalie in the 1st either, but it gets interesting in the mid-2nd considering our pool.

I feel like we have to go with at least one F and one D within these first 3 picks, the 3rd pick I don't care as much.

As for the size comment, we don't need another Farrell/Mesar/Kidney/Roy. One or two of them will make it, I'm interested in playing the odds and finding middle-6 forwards with size. The only exceptions I'd make are Heidt or Cristall if we pick Reinbacher at 5.

Our 1st round pick from FLA is 31/32, why wouldnt' we use that on a goalie if we'd use one in the 2nd round? I don't think there's a good argument to not take a goalie in the 1st if he's the best player on your board.

I don't really get the skepticism over Reinbacher. Is that what an average dman looks like to most people? I don't think so.

Not Makar so he sucks.

How about Musty with the Florida pick?

Would love it, once I abandoned you have to be a hockey genius to produce in the NHL bias.. who else has better tools in that projectable frame, who is feisty, in the draft?

I loved Dobson and would say Dobson was definitely more dynamic at the same age.

Dobson got to play against teenagers, not a structured group of professional men. Unfortunately our only chance to see him against his own age group, he has very sick.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Those are not facts, those are opinions.

I think he's going to rack up points first and foremost how he got more than any draft eligible dman ever did in the NL: by first and foremost being a big minute horse who dominates in transition. Secondly by getting lots of pucks to the net. Thirdly by creating in zone oppertunities with his skating and reach. I think you're bordering on contempt for his projected offensive growth. I don't know how to explain this to someone who ''doesnt watch a bunch of random leagues,'' but kids. don't. normally. look. like. david. against. pros.

How someone has a hard on for Broberg, but doesn't like Reinbacher is beyond me.

The funny thing is my Reinbacher ranking is pretty much in line with most, have him 9 or 10, and a Guhle comp is hardly a diss. These are very reasonable takes. What’s unreasonable is the Moritz Seider comps- a guy who’s tools are on another level.

 

[le_sean]

I look at traits first and foremost. Reinbacher is never going to be a PP1 QB. He’s never going to rack up big time assists. These are just facts. He might score some goals, but he doesn’t have that 20 goal potential like a Mailloux. He looks like a 35-40ish point guy through and through. How exactly do you expect him to rack up points?

They are not facts whatsoever. They are your predictions.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Got bored during an online class.

Traded 5th for 9th, 17th and 43rd. I gave up a 4th round pick, too I think.

If that happened I think a lot of people would be stoked.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yeah like Seider, Jiricek and Heiskanen where not high on every list before being draft.

Finding a #1 Dmen is way tougher then finding a 1st line winger, because each year good winger are available but #1 Dmen are never available

There's 1st line wingers and then there's wingers who project to have Michkov's impact.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

They are not facts whatsoever. They are your predictions.

Maybe Reinbacher becomes a 200 point defenseman then. Anything is possible right?

But ok, technically not facts. But let me ask, do you view Reinbacher as a future PP1 QB? Does anyone?

 

[Seb]

I really don't get why some think Reinbacher doesn't have top offensive potential.

It's not the first time I bring this stat : he has almost the same amount of points as Roman Josi had in his D+1 season (0.48 ppg vs 0.57 ppg). Josi was at 0.23 ppg in his draft year. In the same league.

He's not gonna score plenty of goals but he's gonna damn well contribute offensively.

You add the rest of his package and I don't see how he's not viewed as a legitimate pick at 5.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Maybe Reinbacher becomes a 200 point defenseman then. Anything is possible right?

But ok, technically not facts. But let me ask, do you view Reinbacher as a future PP1 QB? Does anyone?

PP QB is a meme, what do you mean specifically? He's never going to hit a cross seam pass ever? He won't ever make a shot pass for a tip? He won't get pucks to the net? He won't provoke weaknesses in coverage with his skating? Is that your prediction? That would sound silly because he does all those things already.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

PP QB is a meme, what do you mean specifically? He's never going to hit a cross seam pass ever? He won't ever make a shot pass for a tip? He won't get pucks to the net? He won't provoke weaknesses in coverage with his skating? Is that your prediction? That would sound silly because he does all those things already.

lol are you being purposefully obtuse? Im asking if he will QB a quality PP1? We are talking NHL production here, and it’s hard to produce in an elite way if you aren’t on the first wave of a power play. Reinbacher doesn’t project as a first wave PP guy.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Maybe Reinbacher becomes a 200 point defenseman then. Anything is possible right?

But ok, technically not facts. But let me ask, do you view Reinbacher as a future PP1 QB? Does anyone?

In the same way that Shea Weber was one? Sure.

He doesn't have to be a PP1 QB here because we have defenseman who have that skill set.

Should Carolina turf Jaccob Slavvin cause he isn't QBing their PP?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

In the same way that Shea Weber was one? Sure.

He doesn't have to be a PP1 QB here because we have defenseman who have that skill set.

Should Carolina turf Jaccob Slavvin cause he isn't QBing their PP?

He doesn’t have Shea Webers shot. Sorry dem da faxtz

Mailloux could potentially get there, but Reinbachers shot while good is not on that level. He’s just not a first wave PP guy. Doesn’t have the elite bomb like a Mailloux nor is he an elite playmaker like a Hutson.

 

[NotProkofievian]

lol are you being purposefully obtuse? Im asking if he will QB a quality PP1? We are talking NHL production here, and it’s hard to produce in an elite way if you aren’t on the first wave of a power play. Reinbacher doesn’t project as a first wave PP guy.

Me: ''What does PP QB mean specifically? *provides examples*''

You: Lol, you are being purposefully obtuse.

K.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Me: ''What does PP QB mean specifically? *provides examples*''

You: Lol, you are being purposefully obtuse.

K.

I mean exactly what I asked…

will he play on a future PP1? Yes or no?

 

[Cubebrick]

I really don't get why some think Reinbacher doesn't have top offensive potential.

It's not the first time I bring this stat : he has almost the same amount of points as Roman Josi had in his D+1 season (0.48 ppg vs 0.57 ppg). Josi was at 0.23 ppg in his draft year. In the same league.

He's not gonna score plenty of goals but he's gonna damn well contribute offensively.

You add the rest of his package and I don't see how he's not viewed as a legitimate pick at 5.

Because a lot of people are so thirsty for points and plenty have convinced themselves that we're for sure getting a 80-100 points game changer with pick #5, and that Reinbacher has a 4/5D ceiling somehow.

Even though Reinbacher has factually had an historical season in a good men's league, he isn't Makar, he's not a highlight reel machine and is not ranked top 5 on McKenzie's list, therefore he's a reach at 5.

PP QB is a meme, what do you mean specifically? He's never going to hit a cross seam pass ever? He won't ever make a shot pass for a tip? He won't get pucks to the net? He won't provoke weaknesses in coverage with his skating? Is that your prediction? That would sound silly because he does all those things already.

The kid who's had PP QB duties in a men's league in his D-1 year has no PP QB qualities, clearly.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

PP QB (noun) someone who quarterbacks a power play.

 

[The Great Weal]

Maybe Reinbacher becomes a 200 point defenseman then. Anything is possible right?

But ok, technically not facts. But let me ask, do you view Reinbacher as a future PP1 QB? Does anyone?

I don't disagree with you, but we don't necessarily need him to be a PP1 QB when we got Hutson/Mailloux

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You guys sound like politicians the way you avoid questions.

The question is, does Reinbacher project as a first wave PP defenseman in the NHL? Am accepting yes or no answers only.

I don't disagree with you, but we don't necessarily need him to be a PP1 QB when we got Hutson/Mailloux

And that’s fine. But what I’m saying is that Reinbacher doesn’t project as an elite offensive defenseman- more a two way Guhle type.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I mean exactly what I asked…

will he play on a future PP1? Yes or no?

That's not what you asked, but now that you've stoped speaking in clichés I can answer yes to that question.

 

[Seb]

The question is, does Reinbacher project as a first wave PP defenseman in the NHL? Am accepting yes or no answers only.

Yes.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I see we've moved on from arguing about Leonard. Now we are arguing about Reinbacher. You miss the Leonard argument? Don't worry, it will resurface several times in the next 4 weeks...