HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[KevSkillz4]

5th is an easy pick....if Michkov is available it's him. If not...Fantilli, Carlsson and Smith in that order.

31/32nd - big Russian winger But.

Would be funny if we drafted Michkov and But and had to wait a while for them.

If it's Smith or Carlsson available at 5, the choice will be easy for Habs and they will pick easily one of them.

If it's Michkov, I think they will consider Leonard and Benson (both are my favorites after the monster top 5) aswell. But in the end of the day, I'm confident that they will pick Michkov (the second best player in this draft) and going to have a 100 pts player potential in NHL.

In all scenario, 100% chance to add a very very good player and Habs can start W next year.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Wood is a really interesting pick. I'm not quite sure I can get there at 5 and I'd have Reinbacher/Smith/Benson/Leonard all ahead of him but I certainly won't be upset about it if he's the guy. Needs to fix this haircut though

You never know, he might be the bizarro version of McJesus

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Will not talk about Slaf just Dvorsky…

I‘m not convinced about Dvorsky‘s offensive game. His style is essentially a careful two-way Center. He doesn’t have the offensive zip and zap. His numbers in the WJC and in the Swedish « second division » are plain. Is there any tangible info that his offensive game is more than a huge work in progress like Kotkaniem?

This is the problem......you are entirely basing your opinion on stats in a league where 17 year old boys don't put up numbers.

Dvorsky has absolutely dominated against his own age group. The kid has a ton of talent, size and has zero weaknesses. He is an elite shooter with a high IQ and a strong 200 foot game as a center and imo is in the same tier as Smith. Smith might be flashier but Dvorsky might be more effective and looks more like a player that you win with in the playoffs and that is the type of player that the Canadiens should be drafting. People are also overlooking the fact that he played the entire season as a 17 year old and won't turn 18 for another two weeks. He is the youngest of all of the players considered possible top ten picks unless Musty manages to sneak in there.

Ultimately I will be very happy with any of Carlsson, Fantilli, Michkov, Smith or Dvorsky but anyone else is in a tier below any player in this multi tiered group.

 

[Schooner Guy]

This is the problem......you are entirely basing your opinion on stats in a league where 17 year old boys don't put up numbers.

Dvorsky has absolutely dominated against his own age group. The kid has a ton of talent, size and has zero weaknesses. He is an elite shooter with a high IQ and a strong 200 foot game as a center and imo is in the same tier as Smith. Smith might be flashier but Dvorsky might be more effective and looks more like a player that you win with in the playoffs and that is the type of player that the Canadiens should be drafting. People are also overlooking the fact that he played the entire season as a 17 year old and won't turn 18 for another two weeks. He is the youngest of all of the players considered possible top ten picks unless Musty manages to sneak in there.

Ultimately I will be very happy with any of Carlsson, Fantilli, Michkov, Smith or Dvorsky but anyone else is in a tier below any player in this multi tiered group.

Crazy eh? Slovakia had a very difficult schedule at the WU18. Dvorsky was all alone on his team with no support. Other teams game planned around trying to limit his offense. He still lit teams up offensively despite all this and many here who likely didn't watch the games question his offense. It's comical!

Imagine the points he'd put up if he centered Leonard and Perrault and had USA's easy round robin schedule!

Also he's been on the radar for a long time as an early pick in this draft. He played well at the WJC in back to back years and lit up the Hlinka-Gretzky tourney as a 16 year old. It's not like one big WU18 like KK had just before the draft.

He also has a June birthday. He'll be among the youngest selected in the first couple of rounds.

 

[NotProkofievian]

This is the problem......you are entirely basing your opinion on stats in a league where 17 year old boys don't put up numbers.

Dvorsky has absolutely dominated against his own age group. The kid has a ton of talent, size and has zero weaknesses. He is an elite shooter with a high IQ and a strong 200 foot game as a center and imo is in the same tier as Smith. Smith might be flashier but Dvorsky might be more effective and looks more like a player that you win with in the playoffs and that is the type of player that the Canadiens should be drafting. People are also overlooking the fact that he played the entire season as a 17 year old and won't turn 18 for another two weeks. He is the youngest of all of the players considered possible top ten picks unless Musty manages to sneak in there.

Ultimately I will be very happy with any of Carlsson, Fantilli, Michkov, Smith or Dvorsky but anyone else is in a tier below any player in this multi tiered group.

No, they do, it's just rare. For example, this year Alex Ciernik was a lot more efficient than Dalibor in the same league. While excellent players like Bratt and Forsberg have struggled to produce in their draft years, some busts have not, and the best players the league has ever produced did just fine in the league.

Age is an important, but small factor IMO.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Just a thought, but I feel the is almost no chance we end up with Michkov. All teams will have similar info in relation to the risk of drafting him. If San Jose deems him to risky there is a very high chance we do too. If he is not deemed a risky pick, he will not be available.

Obviously that’s oversimplified, but I feel like its the likeliest scenarios.

There's a big difference.
There's a clear top 5.
At 4, you have the choice between two of these prospects (Smith vs Michkov).
At 5, you only have 1 of them available.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Lets play a game instead of just recyling the same thing over and over about 7 prospects

Give me 3 names you want for the 5th OA
Give me 10 names you want for the 32nd OA

Ill start:
(Aside from the obvious 4)
Benson
Reinbacher
Wood


Pick 3x:
Cristall
Lardis
Heidt
Sale
Perrault
Rykov
Honzek
Wallinder
Stenberg
Ritchie
Morin

Pick 5 (in that order but would be happy either way)

Michkov
Benson
Reinbacher
Smith

Pick 31/32 and 37 (in that order but slightly depends on who gets picked at 5)

Willander
Heidt
Stenberg
Musty
Ritchie
Strbak
Hrabal
Nadeau
Bjarnasson
Halttunen

Ideal scenario for me is probably
Michkov/Willander/Hrabal
but I'd be happy with
Benson/Musty/Strbak
or
Reinbacher/Heidt/Bjarnasson

Ready to get roasted for this, but I think we should put emphasis on size after that 1st pick.

 

[SOLR]

This is the problem......you are entirely basing your opinion on stats in a league where 17 year old boys don't put up numbers.

Dvorsky has absolutely dominated against his own age group. The kid has a ton of talent, size and has zero weaknesses. He is an elite shooter with a high IQ and a strong 200 foot game as a center and imo is in the same tier as Smith. Smith might be flashier but Dvorsky might be more effective and looks more like a player that you win with in the playoffs and that is the type of player that the Canadiens should be drafting. People are also overlooking the fact that he played the entire season as a 17 year old and won't turn 18 for another two weeks. He is the youngest of all of the players considered possible top ten picks unless Musty manages to sneak in there.

Ultimately I will be very happy with any of Carlsson, Fantilli, Michkov, Smith or Dvorsky but anyone else is in a tier below any player in this multi tiered group.

Bedard is younger, but I'm sure you know that.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No, they do, it's just rare. For example, this year Alex Ciernik was a lot more efficient than Dalibor in the same league. While excellent players like Bratt and Forsberg have struggled to produce in their draft years, some busts have not, and the best players the league has ever produced did just fine in the league.

Age is an important, but small factor IMO.

Ciernik is one of the oldest kids in the draft and Dvorsky is among the youngest and it is not like Ciernik tore it up with 12 points in 25 games. Then you have to consider that they played under different coaches, systems and linemates. Dvorsky was centering a line and Ciernik was a winger where it is easier to create offense and be carried by your linemates.

Anyways......nobody is debating which of these two are better and neither player put up numbers in the Allsvenskan league.

I think the Dvorsky aversion from board members is clearly rooted in comparing his stats in a men's league vs other prospects dunking on teenagers even though when put on a more equal footing Dvorsky has annihilated most of the field while not having much support and having to carry his line/team. The scepticism from some is equally as ridiculous as Barlow's mustache somehow translating to him being a nearly finished product. Dvorsky is also built perfectly for the North American game and I believe that this will play out during his career.

The guy has been a top 5 prospect for two years leading up to this draft and just smashed the U18's again. He, imo will make team's look foolish for passing on him but I suspect that he will go very early. Not that what I suspect is what anyone else should expect lol

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Bedard is younger, but I'm sure you know that.

Lol yeah, I just leave him out of the conversation because I don't think that there is any doubt where he is going

Crazy eh? Slovakia had a very difficult schedule at the WU18. Dvorsky was all alone on his team with no support. Other teams game planned around trying to limit his offense. He still lit teams up offensively despite all this and many here who likely didn't watch the games question his offense. It's comical!

Imagine the points he'd put up if he centered Leonard and Perrault and had USA's easy round robin schedule!

Also he's been on the radar for a long time as an early pick in this draft. He played well at the WJC in back to back years and lit up the Hlinka-Gretzky tourney as a 16 year old. It's not like one big WU18 like KK had just before the draft.

He also has a June birthday. He'll be among the youngest selected in the first couple of rounds.

I think you replied to the wrong poster lol....you basically just reiterated my post

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Pick 5 (in that order but would be happy either way)

Michkov
Benson
Reinbacher
Smith

Pick 31/32 and 37 (in that order but slightly depends on who gets picked at 5)

Willander
Heidt
Stenberg
Musty
Ritchie
Strbak
Hrabal
Nadeau
Bjarnasson
Halttunen

Ideal scenario for me is probably
Michkov/Willander/Hrabal
but I'd be happy with
Benson/Musty/Strbak
or
Reinbacher/Heidt/Bjarnasson

Ready to get roasted for this, but I think we should put emphasis on size after that 1st pick.

I really don't want Benson or Reibacher at 5 and I don't want a goaltender with any of our first 3 picks but I am much higher than most around here on Strbak and would love to ideally grab him at 37 but I would not be disappointed to take him at 31/32.

I would be absolutely shocked if the Habs take both of Dvorsky and Strbak with our first round picks even though I love both of them because that would mean that we would have selected 4 consecutive 1st rounders out of Slovakia. I feel like on some level if they already had Dvorsky they might let Strbak fall to 37 just to break the streak lol. That is poor reasoning but the Habs decision makers are human.

 

[Mrb1p]

Pick 5 (in that order but would be happy either way)

Michkov
Benson
Reinbacher
Smith

Pick 31/32 and 37 (in that order but slightly depends on who gets picked at 5)

Willander
Heidt
Stenberg
Musty
Ritchie
Strbak
Hrabal
Nadeau
Bjarnasson
Halttunen

Ideal scenario for me is probably
Michkov/Willander/Hrabal
but I'd be happy with
Benson/Musty/Strbak
or
Reinbacher/Heidt/Bjarnasson

Ready to get roasted for this, but I think we should put emphasis on size after that 1st pick.

My main man. Absolutely love every second of what you just wrote.

Aside the Gs, there no spot for Gs in my 1st round

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Wood seems like one of those guys who will make lot of people wonder how he dropped that far in a few years

 

[McGees]

Pronman says he likes Michkov but he's heard a lot of teams don't like risk of him in top 5 (but some still would take him.)
Sees Reinbacher going early (4,5,6 perhaps)

Pronman: I would take Michkov at 5 if he's available

Corey Pronman joins the show to talk about the upcoming NHL Draft

www.tsn.ca

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Pronman says he likes Michkov but he's heard a lot of teams don't like risk of him in top 5 (but some still would take him.)
Sees Reinbacher going early (4,5,6 perhaps)

Pronman: I would take Michkov at 5 if he's available

Corey Pronman joins the show to talk about the upcoming NHL Draft

www.tsn.ca

Pronman is such a fraud, not that these things can't come true but he is basically the horoscope section of the New York Times lol.

 

[Egresch]

No, they do, it's just rare. For example, this year Alex Ciernik was a lot more efficient than Dalibor in the same league. While excellent players like Bratt and Forsberg have struggled to produce in their draft years, some busts have not, and the best players the league has ever produced did just fine in the league.

Ciernik is a player who plays on periphery and brings very little to the game unless he brings points. Solid top 6 player in Europe, but I do not see a lot of NHL potential. Dvorsky brings so much more, if he was so opportunistic as Ciernik he would get much more points with his great shot.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not one Russian at the combine, they weren't invited clearly. So not a knock against Michkov (he said in an interview he didn't get an invite)

 

[WeThreeKings]

Pronman mock gave us Reinbacher at 5 (says scouts think he can go as high as 4)

But then Molendyk at 31 which is tone deaf to the Habs pool. No way they take Molendyk at 31 let alone after they take Reinbacher at 5.

 

[Gustave]

What does it cost to move from freaking 31st/32nd to 8th/10th? My angle is Matthew Wood. I would be willing to give up next year's and Calgary's first. Timeline is important and I feel it's better to get the prospects now instead of dispersing them through the years... I'm not even sure a team actually thinks of moving back this season and not sure if my proposition moves the needle...

 

[NeptunesTrident]

Lets play a game instead of just recyling the same thing over and over about 7 prospects

Give me 3 names you want for the 5th OA
Give me 10 names you want for the 32nd OA

Ill start:
(Aside from the obvious 4)
Benson
Reinbacher
Wood


Pick 3x:
Cristall
Lardis
Heidt
Sale
Perrault
Rykov
Honzek
Wallinder
Stenberg
Ritchie
Morin

5-Wood, Reinbacher, Leonard, Michkov

32-Heidt, But, Honzek, Sale, Hrabal, Bjarnasson, Price, Cristall, Wallinder, Stenberg

 

[Sam I Am]

Did a little mock draft using a Draft Simulator. Forgot about this site...used it a ton last year.

I picked the top 4 as....

Chicago - Bedard
Anaheim - Fantilli
Columbus - Carlsson
San Jose - Smith

Every other pick except ours were selected by the simulator. Here is what I ended up with.
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How did I do?

Here is the link if you want to play around!

Draft Simulator

NHL draft simulator.

draftprospectshockey.com

Are you kidding? Where do I sign?

Your top four would definitely make my day. Truth be told, you had me at Michkov.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

The draft is 4 weeks away, but the arguments over who the Habs should have drafted will last forever...

 

[waitin425]

What does it cost to move from freaking 31st/32nd to 8th/10th? My angle is Matthew Wood. I would be willing to give up next year's and Calgary's first. Timeline is important and I feel it's better to get the prospects now instead of dispersing them through the years... I'm not even sure a team actually thinks of moving back this season and not sure if my proposition moves the needle...

31st/32nd plus the better of Habs two firsts in 2024 with no protection would be the cost. Probably not worth it IMO.

 

[junyab]

Very much looking forward to knowing who we've selected and the subsequent arguments on how we chose the wrong guy.

 

[Doublechin]

What does it cost to move from freaking 31st/32nd to 8th/10th? My angle is Matthew Wood. I would be willing to give up next year's and Calgary's first. Timeline is important and I feel it's better to get the prospects now instead of dispersing them through the years... I'm not even sure a team actually thinks of moving back this season and not sure if my proposition moves the needle...

worth it IMO.

31, 37 and next year's ours or Flames unprotected (max top 3) might get it done. A team does that if they don't really don't like what's available there and that is doubtful this year.