Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)

[ScarTroy]

Could be Habs trying to scare SJ from picking Michkov because Habs pick right next after SJ.

I’d highly doubt that. If they did that and Michkov finds out they were drumming up rumors about his fathers death just so they could draft him, I don’t think you’d find a single person who would blame him if he said he’d never lace up the skates for them.

 

[duckpuck]

Sure, things can change over the next 6 weeks. We are talking about the current consensus. If it bothers you, ignoring the thread for a few weeks until there is new information is an option.

Actually, per the title of the thread, we're talking about who the ducks should pick or perhaps who we think the ducks will pick. And there is no "consensus" (general agreement) on that among scouts, much less media or fans. And even if there were, it wouldn't mean much (I recall the media consensus had Hillary Clinton winning in 2016 and we know how that played out).

Could be Habs trying to scare SJ from picking Michkov because Habs pick right next after SJ.

That would be next level. I like it.

 

[Gliff]

You think having a job in the NHL comes a long with some kind of integrity? What's the disincentive here?

Anyway I didn't say he was lying, the point is he's not the source, he's done some unspecified "digging" and is now passing along -whatever it is he heard- from -wherever it is that he heard it-. This is unsourced gossip at best.

Because they will likely get fired if they are creating rumors about something this sensative.

This isn't an anonymous source. His name is attached.

 

[robbieboy3686]

It's perfectly possible that I'll end up feeling dumb about this take 10 years down the road, but I just don't want Michkov over the other two even if the khl contract wasn't an issue.

I don't think we need another offensively gifted, undersized, defensively disinterested forward. We already have one, and I tend to think he's a little overrated.

I want the big two-way guy who can lock down the no. 1 C spot for 12 years.

This

 

[Deuce22]

It's perfectly possible that I'll end up feeling dumb about this take 10 years down the road, but I just don't want Michkov over the other two even if the khl contract wasn't an issue.

I don't think we need another offensively gifted, undersized, defensively disinterested forward. We already have one, and I tend to think he's a little overrated.

I want the big two-way guy who can lock down the no. 1 C spot for 12 years.

So you wouldn’t have drafted Bedard if Ducks were@ #1?

 

[forever1922]

I'm just worried Chicago's about to realise Fantilli looks like the guy who's going to be the stanley cup winning franchise center and Bedard is looking like an that art ross winning regular season superstar.

I think they still wouldn't pass him. He's just too valuable in a marketing sense alone.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Because they will likely get fired if they are creating rumors about something this sensative.

This isn't an anonymous source. His name is attached.

No, his name is attached to the rumors he's reporting, he's not claiming to be the source. Which is the point, why would he get fired for "reporting" something that's almost certainly unfalsifiable?

 

[mighty Stanley Duck]

I'm just worried Chicago's about to realise Fantilli looks like the guy who's going to be the stanley cup winning franchise center and Bedard is looking like an that art ross winning regular season superstar.

I think they still wouldn't pass him. He's just too valuable in a marketing sense alone.

Lets hope they think that and pass on Bedard.

 

[KyleJRM]

So you wouldn’t have drafted Bedard if Ducks were@ #1?

I would, but like 5% less excitedly than everyone else

 

[Mr Rogers]

I'm just worried Chicago's about to realise Fantilli looks like the guy who's going to be the stanley cup winning franchise center and Bedard is looking like an that art ross winning regular season superstar.

I think they still wouldn't pass him. He's just too valuable in a marketing sense alone.

even if your opinion isn't necessarily off-base, there's not a chance they'd do it

 

[MMC]

Would Tschigerl be Draft eligible if we don’t sign him?

 

[Ducks DVM]

even if your opinion isn't necessarily off-base, there's not a chance they'd do it

It’d be ultra-hilarious after all those new ticket plans were sold though.

 

[70sSanO]

I don’t even think Getzlaf in all his years of captaincy was asked for his thoughts on draft prospects.

This is unfortunate.

I would hope there would be more openness with each new generation of top players.

Of course the old hard line organizations do pay a price when their coveted young franchise players decide they want to go elsewhere.

John

 

[tomd]

Kopitar with less goal scoring isn’t exactly a good thing. Kopitar peaked with 34 and 35 goal seasons, with an average of 25 per 82 game season.

Unless he really improves his shot, Carlsson will score most of his goals with 15 feet of the crease plus he seems to be a distributor first type of player. Very similar to Kopitar IMO. I see 30-35 goals as his average during his prime....at least based on his game as it stands today.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It’d be ultra-hilarious after all those new ticket plans were sold though.

He's their new Denis Savard

 

[lwvs84]

I slightly am leaning towards Fantilli because of the speed, motor, and (maybe most importantly) mean streak/willingness to use his size. Also, the article someone linked about how he's always improving is an attitude a lot of our guys have and should keep that around as new kids start coming up.

This is not saying that Carlsson doesn't have the same thing, I just haven't read about his work ethic (though being that high likely means he has a great one too). The speed and mean streak is something we lack, though, and physicality is always a great bonus (if not a necessity) in the playoffs. I don't think I'll be disappointed with either, though (Carlsson's playoff performance made it a LOT closer).

 

[Kalv]

Yikes, you're not helping with my thoughts of Fantilli with identifying he was "snakebitten" at the WJC-18 tourney. That's yet another event of his offense getting somewhat muted against tougher competition.

• Fantilli's stunted offense against tougher competition
  • WJC-18 tourney
  • WJC-20 tourney
  • Big-10 Championship
  • NCAA Tournament

And the reason can be identified with Mitch Brown's video breakdown of Fantilli's D-1 season that someone shared earlier in this thread: great speed, great physical tenacity, loves to hit, and great compete level, but his offensive read & recognition is misdiagnosed or couldn't anticipate when a pass should have been delivered.

Here is a scout's take on Fantilli from the Athletic:

Scout 1: For Fantilli, he was above expectations for me this season. And not that I thought his transition wasn’t going to be successful, I just didn’t see a Hobey Baker.​

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That (disappointing) world juniors was the outlier. The body, the speed, the compete (are excellent). I know he had awesome production but I think that came more from his compete level than his hockey sense, but that’s not going to hurt him. He has a similar game at the same age and probably a little better than (Quinton) Byfield.​

Also, is the WJC-20 an outlier? I'm discovering that it isn't.

Despite this flaw, I still think PV will draft Fantilli. He's got an element that the Ducks could use and have in spades. Tenacity is being built through the draft with players like Gaucher and Hvidston as well as other young prospects like a Wiebe and Caulfied. Anaheim has other players who can score in tougher situations like Zegras, Terry, and McTavish.

Too lazy to dig it up but in one of those 1000 videos I've seen past 2 days, some people were speaking highly of Fantilli in the NCAA crunch games. Despite scoring LESS than usual, he did other things like taking care of opponents' best players, winning faceoffs, etc. I did not see those games tho so I have no idea But I trust those sources whom I don't even know who were, at this point

Regarding WJC: Fantilli scored as many points as Bedard in the semis + final... He sure didn't capitalize with 6-point games vs weak teams in the group stage like Bedard (who in no doubt still is a better prospect).

I agree that too many times being snakebitten starts to become a trend, but his snakebitten is not like snakebitten for a casual player. Because he's so versatile and does more than just scoring. That's why I'm so optimistic about him.

 

[Ducks DVM]

This is unfortunate.

I would hope there would be more openness with each new generation of top players.

Of course the old hard line organizations do pay a price when their coveted young franchise players decide they want to go elsewhere.

John

Gotta be careful with that. A player saying I’d love to play with you may be banter. A player discussing who they should target then telling that individual that they want to play with them is tampering.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

File under Karma's a bitch...

Given how the Hawks went scorched earth to get Bedard, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them look like an old school expansion team for many years. There's a good chance they will be a shit show circus, with a talking horse main attraction to capture ticket sales, for a long time to come.

Would love to see if Bedard pulls a Matthews in 3 years and only signs for 5 years right up to UFA. Couldn't happen to a more deserving organization.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

File under Karma's a bitch...

Given how the Hawks went scorched earth to get Bedard, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them look like an old school expansion team for many years. There's a good chance they will be a shit show circus, with a talking horse main attraction to capture ticket sales, for a long time to come.

Would love to see if Bedard pulls a Matthews in 3 years and only signs for 5 years right up to UFA. Couldn't happen to a more deserving organization.

The timing for them really isn’t great. They’re in year 1 of a scorched earth rebuild and now added a generational talent who’s going to make an immediate impact. I mean, you still take that every day of the week, but they’re going to get nothing out of Bedard’s most cost effective years. The Leafs and Oilers were slammed for how they wasted McDavid and Matthews’ ELC years but this is going to be a lot worse, I think.

 

[Kalv]

File under Karma's a bitch...

Given how the Hawks went scorched earth to get Bedard, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them look like an old school expansion team for many years. There's a good chance they will be a shit show circus, with a talking horse main attraction to capture ticket sales, for a long time to come.

Would love to see if Bedard pulls a Matthews in 3 years and only signs for 5 years right up to UFA. Couldn't happen to a more deserving organization.

And then sign with his friend in Anaheim – Mason

File under Karma's a bitch...

Given how the Hawks went scorched earth to get Bedard, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them look like an old school expansion team for many years. There's a good chance they will be a shit show circus, with a talking horse main attraction to capture ticket sales, for a long time to come.

Would love to see if Bedard pulls a Matthews in 3 years and only signs for 5 years right up to UFA. Couldn't happen to a more deserving organization.

And then sign with his friend in Anaheim – Mason

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The timing for them really isn’t great. They’re in year 1 of a scorched earth rebuild and now added a generational talent who’s going to make an immediate impact. I mean, you still take that every day of the week, but they’re going to get nothing out of Bedard’s most cost effective years. The Leafs and Oilers were slammed for how they wasted McDavid and Matthews’ ELC years but this is going to be a lot worse, I think.

Yeah, that's kinda what I see. There's no way they don't waste Bedard's ELC years. And even though they will be able to pay him his $15M or whatever, they still won't have anything resembling a good supporting cast. The reality is that they are in a much better position to go with Michkov based on the timing, but of course that won't happen (and I wouldn't do that if I were them either). That would have given them time to start building a core before they had to pay Michkov big money. Now they are in a huge panic situation where they have to move "muy pronto". Good luck thinking that will work out well. This ain't the NBA.

Given what Tkachuk pulled in Calgary it will be interesting to see what Matthews does this summer especially if the leafs fizzle out again. Which then makes one wonder if Bedard sees the same opportunity for an early out in Chicago. Oh my. Glad I'm not a Hawks fan.

 

[70sSanO]

Given what Tkachuk pulled in Calgary it will be interesting to see what Matthews does this summer especially if the leafs fizzle out again. Which then makes one wonder if Bedard sees the same opportunity for an early out in Chicago. Oh my. Glad I'm not a Hawks fan.

And Tkachuk went to the reigning, at the time, President’s trophy winner.

I think Matthews gives serious consideration to letting his current contract run its course and go where he wants.

One of our sons, who lives in Arizona, is hoping he wants to come home.

John

 

[Vinegar Strokes]

If we draft Fantilli, will he be the second best player we’ve drafted, based on draft season? Paul Karyia being the best.

Other than Karyia and Eichel, Fantilli is the only pre-draft eligible player to lead the NCAA in scoring and win the Hobey Baker right?

Can’t imagine anyone other than Paul had a better draft year.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

Size doesn’t matter? Mute

For reals or joking? I did whole write up on some page either about the sens or Stutzle. The intention was to go through every draft and see if the NHL has height bias that leads to elite talent getting passed on for larger "high upside" players. I had to stop after 4 drafts because it is evident that the NHL reaches on height.

I think strength matters, but drafted children don't normally have much anyway. I think the mind matters most.

During covid I was blown away enough by what Stutzle had going I made an account on this site to advocate he go higher, as his mind and talent were very special.

As amazed as I was and still am by Tim Stutzle, I can honestly say Michkov is head and shoulders better as a prospect, and will be better in the NHL than Tim. I am not certain Fantilli or Carlsson will. As talented as Stützle was/is, Michkov is a very different animal. In a lot of ways similar. Both have and had elite physical talent and special minds. But, as a prospect, Michkov is like every great thing about Stutzle on steroids. The physical talent is absurd. It looks like Michkov was born both on the ice and with a Hockey stick limb. He makes difficult stick skills look as easy and natural as drinking a glass of water. His Hockey IQ is genius level.

I did not post here to advocate the ducks take Michkov like I tried to advocate Stützle go higher. I posted here because Ducks fans seemed bummed they missed out on Bedard. Secretly though(not actually a secret) there is a player of the same caliber still on the board. Taking Michkov at 2, waiting 3 years, collecting more high picks and drafting more top level talent in that time span, could build this franchise into a dynasty. That is an option. Or take Fantilli/Carlsson and improve sooner and also be very good. Whatever floats your boats? But if you want special, like truly special, it is still on the board if you are down to wait for it