Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Anaheim4ever]

Yeah i know its early but 2022 draft discussion started pretty quickly too last year.
So far its #1 Bedard and #2 Mitchkov but after that what are players you are interested in for the Ducks ?
I don't see Bedard falling like Wright did at all. Who will be this years Slaf and Cooley ?

Blanket warning to everyone - the season is over, the active tanking is over, and everyone needs to remember how to get along.

Polite discussions of different viewpoints is fine. Assertions as to who is a good fan, who is a bad fan, and most particularly trolling behavior is going to result in thread bans and warnings. The vast majority of posters here are great about this. There are a few of you, on both sides of this issue, who are trying to start things, and I would advise you to carefully consider if that snarky comment you just made is worth being your last post in a thread. I would advise the folks who think that making an even snarkier response to make that same assessment. Neither of your posts will be seen by anyone else for long regardless.

It is perfectly fine to not understand how anyone could root for the team to lose. It is perfectly fine to not understand how losing has strong benefits to the franchise king term. There are gaping holes in BOTH positions, that may be discussed and debated…POLITELY.

We are all Ducks fans. Time to remember that and stop being at each other’s throats.

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[DavidBL]

If we can learn from what Murray did in the past, I think we have a pretty good idea what he would have done. If Ducks were a bottom 10 team, they wouldn't be assured of a top 3 talent. Verbeek was willing to let the Ducks get squashed (tank). Doubt if Murray would have allowed that to happen.

Honestly I don't really disagree with that and while I am excited for any one of those top 3 players, the team is more than just 1 player. They absolutely will make us better than if we had gotten a later pick but does that make us a better team then what we could have been if we had say still had Lindholm and say Smith instead?

 

[DaGeneral]

You mean like rhetoric over substance. Guess that's why so many were surprised with this season and I wasn't.

“Do not mistake activity for achievement.” Just cause you write a lot does not mean it’s correct, Your premise breaks down with a team like the Kraken. They increased something like 40 pts year over year. They don’t have 5 years of draft picks. Kings went from.438 win percentage to over.600 the following year in 20-21. All we’ve said is don’t write off the ducks next year and for some reason you have a problem with that

 

[Hockey Duckie]

“Do not mistake activity for achievement.” Just cause you write a lot does not mean it’s correct, Your premise breaks down with a team like the Kraken. They increased something like 40 pts year over year. They don’t have 5 years of draft picks. Kings went from.438 win percentage to over.600 the following year in 20-21. All we’ve said is don’t write off the ducks next year and for some reason you have a problem with that

You clearly lack scope and understanding, obviously, when you believe an "expansion team" is the same as a standard rebuild team that purposely deconstructed their NHL club to wait for their prospects to eventually make the NHL level.

The Kraken did have this thing called the "expansion draft". Implying they were gifted a plethora of NHL players to begin with, putting them ahead of the rebuild curve since they're not waiting on many of their prospects to reach the NHL. Did you forget Vegas went to the playoffs in year 1 of their existence? Apparently, you did.

Also, it helps that in the 2021 draft, they were gifted the #3 chance of winning the 1st overall pick, the same chances as the Devils. They won the lottery to move up to #2 and nabbed Beniers. Beniers is their 1C this season.

Seattle added three players this off-season: signed top-6 F Burakovsky, signed D Schultz, traded for top-6 F Bjorkstrand using 2023 3rd and 4th round picks, and took a flyer on F Sprong. Also, during the season, the Kraken picked up scoring forward Tolvanen off of the waivers. Anaheim GM passed on picking up Tolvanen, but I digress.

What does it mean when a team full of NHL players adds two top-6 F, a veteran D, a 1C prospect, a flyer on scoring F Sprong and Tolvanen. Playoffs.

Now, imagine if the Ducks kept their UFA's, added two top-6 F, a veteran D, and a top-6 F rookie in McTavish? They would probably vying for the playoffs too.

All we’ve said is don’t write off the ducks next year and for some reason you have a problem with that

You supported the idea that next season the Ducks could be the next Devils, a playoff team. I gave reasons why it's a farfetched idea, not that we wouldn't improve. Did you give your reason why we would be the next Devils? Or are you hoping on chance to improve? Last time I checked, "Hope is not a strategy."

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If we can learn from what Murray did in the past, I think we have a pretty good idea what he would have done. If Ducks were a bottom 10 team, they wouldn't be assured of a top 3 talent. Verbeek was willing to let the Ducks get squashed (tank). Doubt if Murray would have allowed that to happen.

You truly do not do any research to know predict how Murray would act. Let's look at our recent non-playoff finishes under Murray.

2019: 8th worst record
2020: 5th worst record
2021: 2nd worst record

These are facts. I think your false information or bias against Murray is showing, maybe both.

 

[gunnergunther]

I’m officially taking an unpaid day off on Monday. My check is going to be $300 smaller just so I can watch the ducks drop two spots

 

[duckaroosky]

I’m officially taking an unpaid day off on Monday. My check is going to be $300 smaller just so I can watch the ducks drop two spots

That's not even including the money you'll spend on alcohol to dull the pain.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I’m officially taking an unpaid day off on Monday. My check is going to be $300 smaller just so I can watch the ducks drop two spots

When they announce the draft lottery results they'll happen to have 'Chelsea Dagger' aka Hawks goal song playing while they announce the picks as the Blackhawks happen to win the #1 pick....duh duh do duh duh do, duh duh do duh duh do, Duh Duh Do, duh duh do.
Totally not rigged lottery.

Then we go thru whole decade of the Hawks tormenting the Ducks with that stupid song Like it's 2015 over and over.

Former Ducks Kesler, O'Brien and Bieska hate that song so much as said in this interview lol

 

[lwvs84]

When they announce the draft lottery results they'll happen to have 'Chelsea Dagger' aka Hawks goal song playing while they announce the picks as the Blackhawks happen to win the #1 pick....duh duh do duh duh do, duh duh do duh duh do, Duh Duh Do, duh duh do.
Totally not rigged lottery.

Then we go thru whole decade of the Hawks tormenting the Ducks with that stupid song Like it's 2015 over and over.

Former Ducks Kesler, O'Brien and Bieska hate that song so much as said in this interview lol

I could see Montreal or Detroit winning it. Teams tend to win in bunches and Montreal just won it. Detroit is the only O6 that hasn't drafted 1st overall since we came into the league.

 

[tomd]

I'm sleeping like a baby knowing that the Ducks are guaranteed a top 3 pick.

 

[HanSolo]

When they announce the draft lottery results they'll happen to have 'Chelsea Dagger' aka Hawks goal song playing while they announce the picks as the Blackhawks happen to win the #1 pick....duh duh do duh duh do, duh duh do duh duh do, Duh Duh Do, duh duh do.
Totally not rigged lottery.

Then we go thru whole decade of the Hawks tormenting the Ducks with that stupid song Like it's 2015 over and over.

Former Ducks Kesler, O'Brien and Bieska hate that song so much as said in this interview lol

That ancient ass ipod

 

[DaGeneral]

You clearly lack scope and understanding, obviously, when you believe an "expansion team" is the same as a standard rebuild team that purposely deconstructed their NHL club to wait for their prospects to eventually make the NHL level.

The Kraken did have this thing called the "expansion draft". Implying they were gifted a plethora of NHL players to begin with, putting them ahead of the rebuild curve since they're not waiting on many of their prospects to reach the NHL. Did you forget Vegas went to the playoffs in year 1 of their existence? Apparently, you did.

Also, it helps that in the 2021 draft, they were gifted the #3 chance of winning the 1st overall pick, the same chances as the Devils. They won the lottery to move up to #2 and nabbed Beniers. Beniers is their 1C this season.

Seattle added three players this off-season: signed top-6 F Burakovsky, signed D Schultz, traded for top-6 F Bjorkstrand using 2023 3rd and 4th round picks, and took a flyer on F Sprong. Also, during the season, the Kraken picked up scoring forward Tolvanen off of the waivers. Anaheim GM passed on picking up Tolvanen, but I digress.

What does it mean when a team full of NHL players adds two top-6 F, a veteran D, a 1C prospect, a flyer on scoring F Sprong and Tolvanen. Playoffs.

Now, imagine if the Ducks kept their UFA's, added two top-6 F, a veteran D, and a top-6 F rookie in McTavish? They would probably vying for the playoffs too.



You supported the idea that next season the Ducks could be the next Devils, a playoff team. I gave reasons why it's a farfetched idea, not that we wouldn't improve. Did you give your reason why we would be the next Devils? Or are you hoping on chance to improve? Last time I checked, "Hope is not a strategy."

Kind of a self own on your part… you admit if the ducks add pieces, they could be vying for a playoff spot. Interesting concept there. All you’re saying is add Bedard, sign a top 6 forward and one of the many veteran d man available… I mean, that’s pretty basic. You’re proving that if the Ducks aproach this off-season with a solid plan they can make a playoff use.

 

[91Fedorov]

I kind of just want the lottery to be over. It'll be good no matter what, but I'm ready to start having the next conversations.

 

[ScarTroy]

I kind of just want the lottery to be over. It'll be good no matter what, but I'm ready to start having the next conversations.

I’m ready to give that sim lottery button a break. That spot on my phone screen may never recover

 

[Mr Rogers]

This has EASILY been the slowest week of the year for me, haha.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I’m surprised there are some optimists by judging through the comments. Based of what Verbeek has said - my conclusion is barring no crazy moves, we will still be where we are for another season.

I’ve said time and time again that this will be a 4-5 year process. Playing a Mintyukov or a Zellweger next season goes against what Verbeek wants. That’s how you get a Drysdale (who - IMO his development has plateaued).

 

[HanSolo]

I’m surprised there are some optimists by judging threw the comments. Based of what Verbeek has said - my conclusion is barring no crazy moves, we will still be where we are for another season.

I’ve said time and time again that this will be a 4-5 year process. Playing a Mintyukov or a Zellweger next season goes against what Verbeek wants. That’s how you get a Drysdale (who - IMO his development has plateaued).

?? He's only 21 years old. He still has plenty of time to develop.

 

[Deuce22]

You truly do not do any research to know predict how Murray would act. Let's look at our recent non-playoff finishes under Murray.

2019: 8th worst record
2020: 5th worst record
2021: 2nd worst record

These are facts. I think your false information or bias against Murray is showing, maybe both.

You are the only one here doing "research" on our ex-GM. Having an opinion doesn't require "research." And doing "research" doing make an opinion the correct one.

 

[91Fedorov]

I’m surprised there are some optimists by judging threw the comments. Based of what Verbeek has said - my conclusion is barring no crazy moves, we will still be where we are for another season.

I’ve said time and time again that this will be a 4-5 year process. Playing a Mintyukov or a Zellweger next season goes against what Verbeek wants. That’s how you get a Drysdale (who - IMO his development has plateaued).

I agree with you on everything except the Drysdale comment.

But now, year by year, the talent level and optimism will only go up. I'd say we will have at least 1 to 2 rookies in the line-up next year to be excited about, and it will only increase from there. That's the basis of my optimism.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I’m officially taking an unpaid day off on Monday. My check is going to be $300 smaller just so I can watch the ducks drop two spots

Bad idea. The odds are against us as you know. But if we win you are going to need that $300 to celebrate. How are you going to be able to celebrate when you’re $300 short?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Kind of a self own on your part… you admit if the ducks add pieces, they could be vying for a playoff spot. Interesting concept there. All you’re saying is add Bedard, sign a top 6 forward and one of the many veteran d man available… I mean, that’s pretty basic. You’re proving that if the Ducks aproach this off-season with a solid plan they can make a playoff use.

Your response is a clear hot take and is nowhere close to what I projected. It's a hot take because that it lacks depth in thought and strategy as it reflects not knowing the differences in roster from 2021-22 pre-TDL and 2022-23.


=== Read on if you're actually interested on details ===
=== Hopefully, you're not allergic to actual information than hot takes ===

2021-22 Roster (pre-TDL) >>> 2022-23 Roster

You're adding talent depth to the 2021-22 pre-TDL roster, who were in 3rd place in the Pacific when Verbeek took over. The 2022-23 roster sucks so much ass that we finished in last place. Adding a Bedard, a top-6 forward, and "one of the many veteran d man available" will still not make the playoffs.

- I want to know how the Ducks will reduce their 338 goal against stat next year.

- Add "one of the many veteran d man available"? We did that with Klingberg and Kulikov, but still stuck at the bottom of the league. At the TDL, we got rid of both and sank to the worst record in the league. Just adding "one of the many veteran d man available" isn't enough to next year's roster.

The 2021-22 pre-TDL D:

Lindholm-Drysdale (rookie)​

Fowler-Manson​

Benoit (rookie)-Shatty​

Mahura (rookie)​

2023-24 D projections:

Fowler- xxx​

LaCombe (rookie) - Drysdale (missed most of last season, RFA)​

Vaaks - White​

xxx​

There is a vast discrepancy in talent between the 2021-22 pre-TDL D roster and the 2023-24 D roster? Adding a middle pairing, shutdown vet D who can play both sides makes a significant difference to the 2021-22 roster if kept together going into the 2022-23 season compared to adding "one of the many vet d man available" going into the 2023-24 season.

A majority of our scoring forwards cannot play D very well:

C Strome: -30 rating​

RW Vatraion: -29 rating​

C Zegras: -24 rating​

Rookie C McTavish: -19 rating​

Scoring forwards who are defensively cognizant:

LW Rico: -8 rating​

RW Terry: -8 rating​

Tell me, how are we going to reduce the league's worst GA of 338 goals with adding a rookie like Bedard, a top-6 F, and "one of the many d man available" to the 2023-24 roster?

 

[Gliff]

Can we get back on subject lol.

 

[DaGeneral]

Your response is a clear hot take and is nowhere close to what I projected. It's a hot take because that it lacks depth in thought and strategy as it reflects not knowing the differences in roster from 2021-22 pre-TDL and 2022-23.


=== Read on if you're actually interested on details ===
=== Hopefully, you're not allergic to actual information than hot takes ===

2021-22 Roster (pre-TDL) >>> 2022-23 Roster

You're adding talent depth to the 2021-22 pre-TDL roster, who were in 3rd place in the Pacific when Verbeek took over. The 2022-23 roster sucks so much ass that we finished in last place. Adding a Bedard, a top-6 forward, and "one of the many veteran d man available" will still not make the playoffs.

- I want to know how the Ducks will reduce their 338 goal against stat next year.

- Add "one of the many veteran d man available"? We did that with Klingberg and Kulikov, but still stuck at the bottom of the league. At the TDL, we got rid of both and sank to the worst record in the league. Just adding "one of the many veteran d man available" isn't enough to next year's roster.

The 2021-22 pre-TDL D:

Lindholm-Drysdale (rookie)​

Fowler-Manson​

Benoit (rookie)-Shatty​

Mahura (rookie)​

2023-24 D projections:

Fowler- xxx​

LaCombe (rookie) - Drysdale (missed most of last season, RFA)​

Vaaks - White​

xxx​

There is a vast discrepancy in talent between the 2021-22 pre-TDL D roster and the 2023-24 D roster? Adding a middle pairing, shutdown vet D who can play both sides makes a significant difference to the 2021-22 roster if kept together going into the 2022-23 season compared to adding "one of the many vet d man available" going into the 2023-24 season.

A majority of our scoring forwards cannot play D very well:

C Strome: -30 rating​

RW Vatraion: -29 rating​

C Zegras: -24 rating​

Rookie C McTavish: -19 rating​

Scoring forwards who are defensively cognizant:

LW Rico: -8 rating​

RW Terry: -8 rating​

Tell me, how are we going to reduce the league's worst GA of 338 goals with adding a rookie like Bedard, a top-6 F, and "one of the many d man available" to the 2023-24 roster?

By getting a coach with an actual defensive structure + signing some d man better than Klingberg. He wasn’ta pylon on D. There.

 

[DaGeneral]

Bad idea. The odds are against us as you know. But if we win you are going to need that $300 to celebrate. How are you going to be able to celebrate when you’re $300 short?

The odds aren’t against us. We have the best shot. Each team, in a vacuum, is competing individually for the top spot. It’s not just ours against everyone combined. It’s 25.5 % vs 13%, vs whatever the other odds are.

 

[Leonardo87]

We shall have a Live GDT up Monday for the Lottery. Bring your family and friends, there will be punch and pie.

 

[AngelDuck]

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