Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Anaheim4ever]

Yeah i know its early but 2022 draft discussion started pretty quickly too last year.
So far its #1 Bedard and #2 Mitchkov but after that what are players you are interested in for the Ducks ?
I don't see Bedard falling like Wright did at all. Who will be this years Slaf and Cooley ?

Blanket warning to everyone - the season is over, the active tanking is over, and everyone needs to remember how to get along.

Polite discussions of different viewpoints is fine. Assertions as to who is a good fan, who is a bad fan, and most particularly trolling behavior is going to result in thread bans and warnings. The vast majority of posters here are great about this. There are a few of you, on both sides of this issue, who are trying to start things, and I would advise you to carefully consider if that snarky comment you just made is worth being your last post in a thread. I would advise the folks who think that making an even snarkier response to make that same assessment. Neither of your posts will be seen by anyone else for long regardless.

It is perfectly fine to not understand how anyone could root for the team to lose. It is perfectly fine to not understand how losing has strong benefits to the franchise king term. There are gaping holes in BOTH positions, that may be discussed and debated…POLITELY.

We are all Ducks fans. Time to remember that and stop being at each other’s throats.

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[Hockey Duckie]

I think you miss the point of his post. He’s just saying, it’s hockey - anything can happen. Look at Boston losing in the first round. I don’t think we can be a Stanley Cup team next year, but maybe trying to fight for a playoff spot? Why not..

No. Not anything can happen. Boston getting booted out of the first round is actually the norm for a President's Trophy winner. From CBSsports:

The Bruins are now the seventh Presidents' Trophy winner to lose in the first round of the playoffs since 2000. The six others are:

• 2019 Tampa Bay Lightning
• 2012 Vancouver Canucks
• 2010 Washington Capitals
• 2009 San Jose Sharks
• 2006 Detroit Red Wings
• 2000 St. Louis Blues

Anyhow... You can't say "I don't want doom & gloom talk" and in the same paragraph cite "there's a possibility we could be like the Devils and be playoff bound just like that!" Is everything all by chance or is there skill, planning, and development involved? I just proved how long it took the Devils to become playoff bound, how many resources they gathered up, and how many resources the expended.

This past NHL season wasn't all doom & gloom for me. I knew we were gonna suck and it would be a developmental season, which Verbeek also stated he was looking for growth than wins-losses.

• Here's what I was looking forward to this past season:
  
  • Can Terry maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Zegras maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Drysdale improve his defense?
  • Can Lundy maintain or improved his play this year?
  • How well will McTavish do this year? When will McTavish become a center, this year or next?
  • Will Dostal get a few cups of coffee?
  • Will D Andersson or D Helleson get called up?
  • Will LW Tracey or RW Perreault get called up mid-way through the season?

Since I do track the team in-depth, we were projected to be far worse if we continued on with the first quarter of the season. We changed things, purposely allowed more SOG's to increase our chances to win games and it worked. Then the TDL happened along with Rico's long term injury. Predictably, it went all to shit and we barely earned the worst record in the league. With two more points, we'd own the third worst record. With three more points, we'd own the fourth worst record.

Going into next season, we just can't say "we're the next Devils or Kraken". I pointed out the pattern for rebuild teams that become playoffs teams, which started with the Kings in the 2021 off-season. The Devils and Kraken followed that template too.

This year is going to be exciting from a development perspective, not a win-loss POV.​

How big of an improvement will McTavish do in his second season in the NHL?​

Getting Drysdale back, where is he in his development?​

What will LaCombe look like in his first full NHL season?​

Can Lundy bounce back?​

Will Jones continue to evolve and improve his scoring touch?​

Will our 2023 first round pick be in Anaheim?​

What other prospect could make the jump into the NHL?​

Just how good will our prospects be in the AHL?​

There's so much to be excited about, but citing two extreme ideas "no doom & gloom talk" and "we could be the next Devils" can't reconcile.

Instead of whining about being called out, why not give me your reasons we "could be a playoff team"? The answer of "Why not..." is not an actual reason.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

He sold a reset rebuild where he expected to be a 0.500 team, not the last place team that set records for defensive futility. Ownership may want to reevaluate things. I don’t like when owners meddle, but I like even less owners who sell teams because they aren’t being supported enough. We have no idea how bad or not bad ticket sales are right now. Hockey revenue sharing =/= remotely MLB revenue sharing.

If the owner, Henry Samueli, signed off on Verbeek's vision, then he's in it for the long haul. Henry has a bigger vision for hockey in southern Cal: creating kids hockey leagues, buying up and building new ice rinks, bringing the AHL to the west coast, and OCvibe. A reset rebuild isn't a short vision, so signing off on the reset rebuild is for a long term.

Verbeek expecting to be a .500 team with the team he constructed? Now, that's facetious. Here's why:

Anaheim	Since	Last	Playoff	Appearance
Season	Games	W	L	OTL	Pts	Pts Pct
2018-19	82​	35​	37​	10​	80​	0.488​
2019-20	71​	29​	33​	9​	67​	0.472​
2020-21	56​	17​	30​	9​	43​	0.384​
2021-22	82​	31​	37​	14​	76​	0.463​
2022-23	82​	23​	47​	12​	58​	0.354​

This scares me if Verbeek believes he constructed a .500 team. Every Duck fan should be worried if this is the case.

 

[HunterDuck]

Another great roll

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Anyhow... You can't say "I don't want doom & gloom talk" and in the same paragraph cite "there's a possibility we could be like the Devils and be playoff bound just like that!"

I didn't say we could be be like the Devils. I pointed out where they came from to have a season nobody expected them to have. We don't have to be a shit team next year. We can be a vastly improved team.

I started out by saying I don't make predictions but I'd like to wait until next season starts before shitting all over the team. You on the other hand have to continue to pretend you know everything and tell us how it's just not possible for the Ducks to have a good next year.

Apparently trying to have a positive outlook on next year, until proven otherwise, isn't a concept your familiar with.

 

[Ducks DVM]

If the owner, Henry Samueli, signed off on Verbeek's vision, then he's in it for the long haul. Henry has a bigger vision for hockey in southern Cal: creating kids hockey leagues, buying up and building new ice rinks, bringing the AHL to the west coast, and OCvibe. A reset rebuild isn't a short vision, so signing off on the reset rebuild is for a long term.

Verbeek expecting to be a .500 team with the team he constructed? Now, that's facetious. Here's why:

Anaheim	Since	Last	Playoff	Appearance
Season	Games	W	L	OTL	Pts	Pts Pct
2018-19	82​	35​	37​	10​	80​	0.488​
2019-20	71​	29​	33​	9​	67​	0.472​
2020-21	56​	17​	30​	9​	43​	0.384​
2021-22	82​	31​	37​	14​	76​	0.463​
2022-23	82​	23​	47​	12​	58​	0.354​

This scares me if Verbeek believes he constructed a .500 team. Every Duck fan should be worried if this is the case.

I think we are talking past one another. IF Verbeek sold the team as 0.500 in year one of his rebuild, that is the vision that the owners signed off on. They almost certainly did not sign off on a blank check for Verbeek to do whatever he wants and not get the results he promised.

Now, I am approaching this as more of an intellectual exercise, but there was an assumed bottom line that the Samuelis were counting on, and a success level they were counting on. If Verbeek oversold things, that MAY cause them to reevaluate. If (probably more likely) Verbeek said that he was tearing it all down for Bedard and would be lying through his teeth to the public about things, then he’s probably fine. IF the bottom line is getting impacted to heavily, then the owners may well decide that having a team good enough to make the playoffs is more important than trading 1-2 of the 8 or so defensive prospects is worth trading for a guy who can help the team sooner rather than later, as there’s not enough room for all of them anyway.

Lots of ifs, and lots of information we aren’t privy to. I as a rule think the good owners are ones that put good management in place and leave them alone, but the great ones are the ones who realize that their management isn’t good before it cripples things. The poor ones are the ones who reflexively change management every time they don’t get what they want (See : Sabres, Buffalo).

 

[DaGeneral]

No. Not anything can happen. Boston getting booted out of the first round is actually the norm for a President's Trophy winner. From CBSsports:

The Bruins are now the seventh Presidents' Trophy winner to lose in the first round of the playoffs since 2000. The six others are:

• 2019 Tampa Bay Lightning
• 2012 Vancouver Canucks
• 2010 Washington Capitals
• 2009 San Jose Sharks
• 2006 Detroit Red Wings
• 2000 St. Louis Blues

Anyhow... You can't say "I don't want doom & gloom talk" and in the same paragraph cite "there's a possibility we could be like the Devils and be playoff bound just like that!" Is everything all by chance or is there skill, planning, and development involved? I just proved how long it took the Devils to become playoff bound, how many resources they gathered up, and how many resources the expended.

This past NHL season wasn't all doom & gloom for me. I knew we were gonna suck and it would be a developmental season, which Verbeek also stated he was looking for growth than wins-losses.

• Here's what I was looking forward to this past season:
  • Can Terry maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Zegras maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Drysdale improve his defense?
  • Can Lundy maintain or improved his play this year?
  • How well will McTavish do this year? When will McTavish become a center, this year or next?
  • Will Dostal get a few cups of coffee?
  • Will D Andersson or D Helleson get called up?
  • Will LW Tracey or RW Perreault get called up mid-way through the season?

Since I do track the team in-depth, we were projected to be far worse if we continued on with the first quarter of the season. We changed things, purposely allowed more SOG's to increase our chances to win games and it worked. Then the TDL happened along with Rico's long term injury. Predictably, it went all to shit and we barely earned the worst record in the league. With two more points, we'd own the third worst record. With three more points, we'd own the fourth worst record.

Going into next season, we just can't say "we're the next Devils or Kraken". I pointed out the pattern for rebuild teams that become playoffs teams, which started with the Kings in the 2021 off-season. The Devils and Kraken followed that template too.

This year is going to be exciting from a development perspective, not a win-loss POV.​

How big of an improvement will McTavish do in his second season in the NHL?​

Getting Drysdale back, where is he in his development?​

What will LaCombe look like in his first full NHL season?​

Can Lundy bounce back?​

Will Jones continue to evolve and improve his scoring touch?​

Will our 2023 first round pick be in Anaheim?​

What other prospect could make the jump into the NHL?​

Just how good will our prospects be in the AHL?​

There's so much to be excited about, but citing two extreme ideas "no doom & gloom talk" and "we could be the next Devils" can't reconcile.

Instead of whining about being called out, why not give me your reasons we "could be a playoff team"? The answer of "Why not..." is not an actual reason.

With all due respect, just cause you right novels doesn’t mean you’re right.

 

[Kariya 9]

No. Not anything can happen. Boston getting booted out of the first round is actually the norm for a President's Trophy winner. From CBSsports:

The Bruins are now the seventh Presidents' Trophy winner to lose in the first round of the playoffs since 2000. The six others are:

• 2019 Tampa Bay Lightning
• 2012 Vancouver Canucks
• 2010 Washington Capitals
• 2009 San Jose Sharks
• 2006 Detroit Red Wings
• 2000 St. Louis Blues

Anyhow... You can't say "I don't want doom & gloom talk" and in the same paragraph cite "there's a possibility we could be like the Devils and be playoff bound just like that!" Is everything all by chance or is there skill, planning, and development involved? I just proved how long it took the Devils to become playoff bound, how many resources they gathered up, and how many resources the expended.

This past NHL season wasn't all doom & gloom for me. I knew we were gonna suck and it would be a developmental season, which Verbeek also stated he was looking for growth than wins-losses.

• Here's what I was looking forward to this past season:
  • Can Terry maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Zegras maintain that high scoring a second year in a row?
  • Can Drysdale improve his defense?
  • Can Lundy maintain or improved his play this year?
  • How well will McTavish do this year? When will McTavish become a center, this year or next?
  • Will Dostal get a few cups of coffee?
  • Will D Andersson or D Helleson get called up?
  • Will LW Tracey or RW Perreault get called up mid-way through the season?

Since I do track the team in-depth, we were projected to be far worse if we continued on with the first quarter of the season. We changed things, purposely allowed more SOG's to increase our chances to win games and it worked. Then the TDL happened along with Rico's long term injury. Predictably, it went all to shit and we barely earned the worst record in the league. With two more points, we'd own the third worst record. With three more points, we'd own the fourth worst record.

Going into next season, we just can't say "we're the next Devils or Kraken". I pointed out the pattern for rebuild teams that become playoffs teams, which started with the Kings in the 2021 off-season. The Devils and Kraken followed that template too.

This year is going to be exciting from a development perspective, not a win-loss POV.​

How big of an improvement will McTavish do in his second season in the NHL?​

Getting Drysdale back, where is he in his development?​

What will LaCombe look like in his first full NHL season?​

Can Lundy bounce back?​

Will Jones continue to evolve and improve his scoring touch?​

Will our 2023 first round pick be in Anaheim?​

What other prospect could make the jump into the NHL?​

Just how good will our prospects be in the AHL?​

There's so much to be excited about, but citing two extreme ideas "no doom & gloom talk" and "we could be the next Devils" can't reconcile.

Instead of whining about being called out, why not give me your reasons we "could be a playoff team"? The answer of "Why not..." is not an actual reason.

It’s quite simple. Eakins is a bad coach. Eakins will not be coaching next season. Bad teams swing back into playoff contention the following season all the time. All it takes is some better strategic implementation, some adjustments through free agency and continued player development.

 

[Leonardo87]

After what happened with the Rangers, don’t want to see the Ducks rush their rebuild, but at the same time have to start turning the ship next season. We cannot have another season like this past one.

 

[DavidBL]

After what happened with the Rangers, don’t want to see the Ducks rush their rebuild, but at the same time have to start turning the ship next season. We cannot have another season like this past one.

I think the difference between the Ducks and Say NYR or LA is that our core performers are our young players and not our vets who are in more of a support role. With the exception of Fowler.

 

[Leonardo87]

I think the difference between the Ducks and Say NYR or LA is that our core performers are our young players and not our vets who are in more of a support role. With the exception of Fowler.

We can build vet support around the youth core, which is the opposite of what LA and the NYR are doing.

Go in the direction of what the Devils are doing.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

I think the difference between the Ducks and Say NYR or LA is that our core performers are our young players and not our vets who are in more of a support role. With the exception of Fowler.

I wouldn’t even say the Rangers rushed their rebuild, the youth aspect of it just went awfully. In four consecutive years they had the 7th, 9th, 2nd and 1st picks and it seems like they’re going to have a two-way middle six winger to show for it. The Rick Nash trade was great but they literally have nothing to show for trading McDonagh and JT Miller. Keeping the vets they did keep and adding Panarin and Trouba is probably the only thing that has kept them remotely relevant.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

After what happened with the Rangers, don’t want to see the Ducks rush their rebuild, but at the same time have to start turning the ship next season. We cannot have another season like this past one.

I mean we’d never go the route of rangers….

But the devils did make some moves to get where they are at.

They signed palat
They signed Hamilton
Trades for a big deadline piece in Meier
Traded for Marino
Traded for vanecek

I wouldn’t even say the Rangers rushed their rebuild, the youth aspect of it just went awfully. In four consecutive years they had the 7th, 9th, 2nd and 1st picks and it seems like they’re going to have a two-way middle six winger to show for it. The Rick Nash trade was great but they literally have nothing to show for trading McDonagh and JT Miller. Keeping the vets they did keep and adding Panarin and Trouba is probably the only thing that has kept them remotely relevant.

rangers issue is kakko chytil and laf are not very good

 

[Mr Rogers]

this video stresses me out haha

 

[tomd]

I think the difference between the Ducks and Say NYR or LA is that our core performers are our young players and not our vets who are in more of a support role. With the exception of Fowler.

All of more reason not to try to rush things. Build it the right way and take the time to do it.

 

[DavidBL]

All of more reason not to try to rush things. Build it the right way and take the time to do it.

It's been 5 years. No one has rushed anything.

 

[tomd]

It's been 5 years. No one has rushed anything.

Closer to 2 or 3 from where I start counting but that is totally irrelevant. The team is where it is today like it or not. They just finished 32nd or DFL in the league and it really wasn't a fluke. How do you quickly change that? There is a lot more building left to do and how PV does it will determine the final results.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

After what happened with the Rangers, don’t want to see the Ducks rush their rebuild, but at the same time have to start turning the ship next season. We cannot have another season like this past one.

I believe that we've seen the bottom and are on the climb back out. I'm sure the improvement will still be gradual but it should be starting.

 

[Gliff]

It's been 5 years. No one has rushed anything.

The rebuild doesn’t start until you actually tear down what you had. We are in year 2.

 

[91Fedorov]

this video stresses me out haha

Do they publish that list that shows what combinations equal which teams before the drawing?

That system seems rigged. Here's a confusing combination of numbered balls... and here's what we say that it means. Surprise, one of the largest Canadian markets won!

 

[ScarTroy]

Do they publish that list that shows what combinations equal which teams before the drawing?

That system seems rigged. Here's a confusing combination of numbered balls... and here's what we say that it means. Surprise, one of the largest Canadian markets won!

Aren’t the GM’s present? There’s many reasons that point to this not being rigged at all, as much as we’d like to pretend the NHL is out to rig it in the favor of bigger markets, it’s just not the case

 

[91Fedorov]

Aren’t the GM’s present? There’s many reasons that point to this not being rigged at all, as much as we’d like to pretend the NHL is out to rig it in the favor of bigger markets, it’s just not the case

I'm just saying it looks sketchy watching it. The whole, "here's a confusing combination of balls and now we'll tell you who won", thing just feels sketchy.

If that list is published before the drawing, then I'd agree it's legit though.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Do they publish that list that shows what combinations equal which teams before the drawing?

That system seems rigged. Here's a confusing combination of numbered balls... and here's what we say that it means. Surprise, one of the largest Canadian markets won!

EY either generates the report or audits it to make sure the proper amount of combos are allocated to each team. There’s literally no way to rig that. Every individual in the room (GMs) receives the report so they could cross-check it if they wanted even.

 

[DavidBL]

Closer to 2 or 3 from where I start counting but that is totally irrelevant. The team is where it is today like it or not. They just finished 32nd or DFL in the league and it really wasn't a fluke. How do you quickly change that? There is a lot more building left to do and how PV does it will determine the final results.

We've been adding high end young talent for 5 years. Just because Z was taken 9th doesn't mean he's not a high end talent. There are a lot of things that contributed to last year. Bad D adds, injuries to young D. Coaching/system issues. I don't expect a cup next year but they need to be aiming to improve this team and not expecting to be a bottom 5 team, again.

 

[DavidBL]

The rebuild doesn’t start until you actually tear down what you had. We are in year 2.

We'll just have to disagree then. We've been adding high end talent for 5 years. The idea that you have e to sell everything and start from scratch is a fan made idea.

 

[tomd]

We've been adding high end young talent for 5 years. Just because Z was taken 9th doesn't mean he's not a high end talent. There are a lot of things that contributed to last year. Bad D adds, injuries to young D. Coaching/system issues. I don't expect a cup next year but they need to be aiming to improve this team and not expecting to be a bottom 5 team, again.

High-end young talent added in last 5 years that are being counted on to contribute next year...Zegras, McTavish, and Drysdale. That's not a lot. I do agree that they should improve next year (how can they not??) but I'm expecting a finish in the 70-75 point range.