Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Anaheim4ever]

Yeah i know its early but 2022 draft discussion started pretty quickly too last year.
So far its #1 Bedard and #2 Mitchkov but after that what are players you are interested in for the Ducks ?
I don't see Bedard falling like Wright did at all. Who will be this years Slaf and Cooley ?

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[WhatTheDuck]

 

[DavidBL]

High-end young talent added in last 5 years that are being counted on to contribute next year...Zegras, McTavish, and Drysdale. That's not a lot. I do agree that they should improve next year (how can they not??) but I'm expecting a finish in the 70-75 point range.

That's not really any different than any other rebuild. Why are expectations different just because it's our rebuild?

 

[tomd]

That's not really any different than any other rebuild. Why are expectations different just because it's our rebuild?

Not sure what type of improvement you are expecting. 70-75 points represents 20-30% more points than last year. I can see 80 points if everything goes perfectly. How much of an improvement are you expecting?

 

[DavidBL]

Not sure what type of improvement you are expecting. 70-75 points represents 20-30% more points than last year. I can see 80 points if everything goes perfectly. How much of an improvement are you expecting?

Out of the bottom 10.

 

[tomd]

Out of the bottom 10.

Based on this past year that would be 80-81 points.

 

[DavidBL]

Based on this past year that would be 80-81 points.

I don't feel like that's too much to ask

 

[tomd]

I don't feel like that's too much to ask

Seems like the upper range of reasonable. It does mean going from 24 games under .500 to .500 in one year which is a lot. I guess we'll be in a better position to predict after the draft, trades, and free agency.

 

[mightyquack]

We SHOULD have been in a rebuild five years ago, unfortunately it wasn't embraced until PV came on board. Until then we were a team that had a GM believing we could compete and therefore refused to make moves that would actually signal a rebuild.

 

[DavidBL]

Seems like the upper range of reasonable. It does mean going from 24 games under .500 to .500 in one year which is a lot. I guess we'll be in a better position to predict after the draft, trades, and free agency.

That's fair.

 

[AngelDuck]

I’m expecting 75 points and a better brand of hockey due to having a better coach. Probably picking in the 8-10 range. Totally cool with a season like that

 

[mightyquack]

I’m expecting 75 points and a better brand of hockey due to having a better coach. Probably picking in the 8-10 range. Totally cool with a season like that

I've said it before, but as long as we see structure from the coaching staff I'll be happy. Improved structure will lead to better hockey and better development for the young players. Can't ask for more then that.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I'm just saying it looks sketchy watching it. The whole, "here's a confusing combination of balls and now we'll tell you who won", thing just feels sketchy.

If that list is published before the drawing, then I'd agree it's legit though.

The lottery is actually overseen by a major accounting firm. That’s part of the so called audit. It’s not like Bettman and Parros get together and play beer pong with all the balls until they pick a winner.

 

[duckaroosky]

The later time is good, the ducks don't do well with early starts.

 

[Gliff]

We'll just have to disagree then. We've been adding high end talent for 5 years. The idea that you have e to sell everything and start from scratch is a fan made idea.

You don’t have to sell everything, but if you don’t sell anything then you aren’t rebuilding. You’re just staying the course and failing. Do you think Bob went into 19-21 expecting to get top 10 picks? He was trying to make the playoffs every year or else he would have traded Rakell, Manson, etc.

 

[Dryish]

2am on a Monday (or technically Tuesday)? Duck that.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I’m expecting 75 points and a better brand of hockey due to having a better coach. Probably picking in the 8-10 range. Totally cool with a season like that

That’s pretty much where I feel we will land 8-12 range is prob alright. Hopefully we can find some help via trade or waivers.

Still think we shoulda grabbed bjorkstrand and tolvanen.

 

[HanSolo]

The lottery is actually overseen by a major accounting firm. That’s part of the so called audit. It’s not like Bettman and Parros get together and play beer pong with all the balls until they pick a winner.

I feel like I read somewhere that each of the teams have a lawyer in the room when the draw is conducted too.

 

[tomd]

I feel like I read somewhere that each of the teams have a lawyer in the room when the draw is conducted too.

Ducks should have a talisman in the room as well.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

With all due respect, just cause you right novels doesn’t mean you’re right.

You mean like rhetoric over substance. Guess that's why so many were surprised with this season and I wasn't.

 

[DavidBL]

You don’t have to sell everything, but if you don’t sell anything then you aren’t rebuilding. You’re just staying the course and failing. Do you think Bob went into 19-21 expecting to get top 10 picks? He was trying to make the playoffs every year or else he would have traded Rakell, Manson, etc.

We did sell things. We just didn't sell everything of value at once. You said BM was trying to win. He didn't add anyone of real value and spent 0 assets of real value on a team trending down. He wasn't trying to win. He was shuffling Deck chairs so we didn't plummet and become the mess we were this year. Look at this board. Half us feel this team is so bad that the team will be bad for YEARS more no matter what PV does. IMO, BM was trying to avoid this. Maybe it would have worked, maybe not. It did in the early 2010's when we lost Selanne, Neid's, and Pronger. Yes we had Getzlaf, perry and Ryan. But this time we have a younger Z, Terry, McTavish and Drysdale. If he had been trying to win he would have been signing real UFAs and making real trades to make us better. It's also important to remember that the cap has essentially been flat since Covid. How many players with term and larger salaries were actually moved during that time? People have made the argument that BM would have sold Lindholm, Manson, and Raks last year just like PV did because he hadn't resigned then yet. Maybe that was the plan. It was hard to move money and it probably would have affected the value of returns so maybe he was waiting till they were most movable. Not sure I believe that myself honestly but there are legit reasons not to move those players in 2019 that aren't "I'm trying to make the playoffs."

 

[Deuce22]

We did sell things. We just didn't sell everything of value at once. You said BM was trying to win. He didn't add anyone of real value and spent 0 assets of real value on a team trending down. He wasn't trying to win. He was shuffling Deck chairs so we didn't plummet and become the mess we were this year. Look at this board. Half us feel this team is so bad that the team will be bad for YEARS more no matter what PV does. IMO, BM was trying to avoid this. Maybe it would have worked, maybe not. It did in the early 2010's when we lost Selanne, Neid's, and Pronger. Yes we had Getzlaf, perry and Ryan. But this time we have a younger Z, Terry, McTavish and Drysdale. If he had been trying to win he would have been signing real UFAs and making real trades to make us better. It's also important to remember that the cap has essentially been flat since Covid. How many players with term and larger salaries were actually moved during that time? People have made the argument that BM would have sold Lindholm, Manson, and Raks last year just like PV did because he hadn't resigned then yet. Maybe that was the plan. It was hard to move money and it probably would have affected the value of returns so maybe he was waiting till they were most movable. Not sure I believe that myself honestly but there are legit reasons not to move those players in 2019 that aren't "I'm trying to make the playoffs."

There wouldn't be a chance of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov if Murray was still in charge. Would not have drafted Mintyukov, either. A half-assed "rebuild" wouldn't have resulted in elite talent or the cap space to add to said elite talent.

 

[Mr Rogers]

There wouldn't be a chance of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov if Murray was still in charge. Would not have drafted Mintyukov, either. A half-assed "rebuild" wouldn't have resulted in elite talent or the cap space to add to said elite talent.

also no way he would've let the team struggle defensively as much as it did last year. he would've acquired a dman after Drysdale got hurt (spent assets to improve a team going nowhere).

 

[Hockey Duckie]

You don’t have to sell everything, but if you don’t sell anything then you aren’t rebuilding. You’re just staying the course and failing. Do you think Bob went into 19-21 expecting to get top 10 picks? He was trying to make the playoffs every year or else he would have traded Rakell, Manson, etc.

GM Murray decided to go into a rebuild in the 2018-19 TDL. This was the second consecutive season that both top-6 forwards Kesler and Eaves were indisposed of due to health issues. Too many fans forget this loss to the team because when they were healthy, then we went to the WCF.

• Ducks' 2018-19
  • 2018-19 TDL: traded away Monty (got a 1st rd pick), acknowledge that Kesler and Eaves can no longer play hockey
  • 2019: Finished 8th overall.
  • 2019 off-season: bought out Perry, traded for Des
  • Anaheim lost three top-6 forwards completely.

• Ducks' 2019-20
  • 2019-20 TDL: traded away Kase (got a first rd pick) and Ritchie
  • 2020: Finished 5th overall.

• Ducks' 2020-21
  • 2020-21 TDL: traded away Hakanpaa
  • 2021: Finished 2nd overall.

The biggest acquisitions in that period are trading for D Gudbranson when Manson fell to injury early in the 2019-20 season. Then in the 2020 off-season, we essentially swapped Gudbranson for Shattenkirk.

Murray wasn't trying to make the playoffs since he started the rebuild at the 2018-19 TDL. I hope this helps correct false history.

2021-22 start was a great revelation for Murray and the org. Fowler, Manson, and Lindholm were healthy to start the season. Silf's hips were finally fixed. Zegras and Terry broke out! Drysdale's offense showed up. Unfortunately, Murray shoot himself in the foot and resigned; he couldn't finish what he started.

If Murray kept the UFA's, then Anaheim would have superfluous defensive depth in their system to use a trade capital, which Murray did mention was a possibility after the 2020-21 post-season review. Anaheim needed two top-6 forwards and a defensive D from outside the org after the 2021-22 season to vault into playoff contention like rebuild teams 2021-22 Kings, 2022-23 Devils, and 2022-23 Kraken.

• D Prospects at the start of 2021-22
  • RD Andersson
  • LD Thrun
  • LD/RD LaCombe
  • RD Moore
  • LD Zellweger
  • LD Hinds

We SHOULD have been in a rebuild five years ago, unfortunately it wasn't embraced until PV came on board. Until then we were a team that had a GM believing we could compete and therefore refused to make moves that would actually signal a rebuild.

GM Murray was preparing for the transition away from the Twins starting with the 2016 draft. Addressing the forward situation on the team was a concern for Murray that he neglected doing a balanced draft for three drafts, 2016-18, by focusing on forwards. We drafted more goalies (3) than defensemen, implying we went heavy on drafting forwards. Injuries to Kesler and Eaves that started in 2017, prompting the rushing of prospects to the NHL level in 2018 in C Steel, RW Terry, and C Lundy (as an 18-year old). See above for details.

2012-13: Won Pacific Division, Lost in Quarterfinals
2013-14: Won Pacific Division, Lost in 2nd round
2014-15: Won Pacific Division, Lost in WCF
2015-16: Won Pacific Divisoin, Lost in 1st round
2016-17: Won Pacific Division, Lost in WCF
2017-18: Lost in 1st round

Anaheim did start the rebuild five years ago.

 

[DavidBL]

There wouldn't be a chance of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Michkov if Murray was still in charge. Would not have drafted Mintyukov, either. A half-assed "rebuild" wouldn't have resulted in elite talent or the cap space to add to said elite talent.

We literally have no idea what would have happened if BM was still here. I'm not trying to defend him or say he's better. Just dispute the claim that our rebuild only atarted 2 years ago and not 5 when we got Z. The justification being we didnt sell our good players who had value earlier in which is what has widely been advocated for and viewed by some as why our rebuild only started last year and not 5 years ago when we drafted Zegras. Ironically it has been suggested that BM was likely to do the EXACT same thing that PV did last year because none of the key UFAs had been resigned before the season started. The team was bad naturally, as proved over the prior 3 years. We didn't need to dump more talent and as long at we were a bottom 10 team we would have had a chance at Bedard, it's just not as great as the one we have now which is still less likely to happen then it is to happen.

 

[Deuce22]

We literally have no idea what would have happened if BM was still here. I'm not trying to defend him or say he's better. Just dispute the claim that our rebuild only atarted 2 years ago and not 5 when we got Z. The justification being we didnt sell our good players who had value earlier in which is what has widely been advocated for and viewed by some as why our rebuild only started last year and not 5 years ago when we drafted Zegras. Ironically it has been suggested that BM was likely to do the EXACT same thing that PV did last year because none of the key UFAs had been resigned before the season started. The team was bad naturally, as proved over the prior 3 years. We didn't need to dump more talent and as long at we were a bottom 10 team we would have had a chance at Bedard, it's just not as great as the one we have now which is still less likely to happen then it is to happen.

If we can learn from what Murray did in the past, I think we have a pretty good idea what he would have done. If Ducks were a bottom 10 team, they wouldn't be assured of a top 3 talent. Verbeek was willing to let the Ducks get squashed (tank). Doubt if Murray would have allowed that to happen.