Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Anaheim4ever]

Yeah i know its early but 2022 draft discussion started pretty quickly too last year.
So far its #1 Bedard and #2 Mitchkov but after that what are players you are interested in for the Ducks ?
I don't see Bedard falling like Wright did at all. Who will be this years Slaf and Cooley ?

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[Ducks DVM]

Are you Canadian? If so let the games begin lol

I have an aunt an uncle on my mother’s side who were born there, and have some French Canadian on my father’s side from like 200 years ago, so… but I was born in California

 

[Kalv]

Will be interesting how Carlsson and Fantilli play in the WC. One thing I remember that pre-draft Matthews and Laine were ripping that tournament apart. Laine even got the MVP.
Interesting how those two line up...

 

[ScarTroy]

He's a sharks guy but did a nice job of explaining the lotto process. I guess they pick 4 balls for each of the two draws. Must be a master list where X% of the winning 4 digit combos belong to each team depending on standings position (so 18.5% for us).

Unless I’m interpreting that wrong, that means it’s a much better odds than what we see on tankathon right? Since obviously with them drawing 4 and you need a certain percentage of that, it eliminates it being a lucky draw of 1 ball from another team? Or am I misunderstanding?

 

[Mr Rogers]

Unless I’m interpreting that wrong, that means it’s a much better odds than what we see on tankathon right? Since obviously with them drawing 4 and you need a certain percentage of that, it eliminates it being a lucky draw of 1 ball from another team? Or am I misunderstanding?

it is a bit confusing how they do it, certainly more so than i assumed.

Just a pure guess at how they do it, but maybe it's close: There are 10,000 possible 4 digit combos. Figure 1,850 of those combos are randomly assigned to the Ducks. ditto for other teams

 

[ADHB]

it is a bit confusing how they do it, certainly more so than i assumed.

Just a pure guess at how they do it, but maybe it's close: There are 10,000 possible 4 digit combos. Figure 1,850 of those combos are randomly assigned to the Ducks. ditto for other teams

I can't find it right now, but in the past, images have been shared on social media of the "paperwork" that shows which combos belong to which teams. I remember one season a few years back, we had a decent chance of winning the lotto because we had like 2-3 of the possible combos after the first 3 numbers were drawn. Also, there aren't 10,000 possible combos, because a number can't be drawn more than once.

Obviously, we didn't win...

edit: Found one example:

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/LotteryTable_ByCombinationID.pdf

There are 1001 possible combinations. One of them is thrown out if it's drawn. So each team is assigned the corresponding number of combinations out of 1000. So in our case this season, we will have 185 of them.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I can't find it right now, but in the past, images have been shared on social media of the "paperwork" that shows which combos belong to which teams. I remember one season a few years back, we had a decent chance of winning the lotto because we had like 2-3 of the 10 possible combos after the first 3 numbers were drawn.

Obviously, we didn't win...

edit: Found one example:

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/LotteryTable_ByCombinationID.pdf

damn so it looks the numbers can be 1 to 14

 

[ADHB]

damn so it looks the numbers can be 1 to 14

Yeah, I edited in something after you replied.

There are 1001 possible combos, each being a sequence of 4 numbers between 1 and 14. We will have 185 of them, but 70 more go to teams that can't get the #1 pick, so in essence we can win on 255 of them.

 

[GibsonIsGod666]

I think I would prefer Michkov if we pick second or third. When you're selecting so high in the draft I think you have to take the player with the highest upside.

I understand the concern but you can't pass up on the next Ovi, even if you have to wait 3 years.

 

[Gliff]

I think I would prefer Michkov if we pick second or third. When you're selecting so high in the draft I think you have to take the player with the highest upside.

I understand the concern but you can't pass up on the next Ovi, even if you have to wait 3 years.

The 3 years are not the concern. It’s the significant chance that he never suits up for the Ducks.

 

[robbieboy3686]

The 3 years are not the concern. It’s the significant chance that he never suits up for the Ducks.

It will never happen, we aren’t taking him. I would bet anything on that.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Kasper Halttunen put up 6g +4a = 10 pts and +5 rating at the recent WJC-18. He led team Finland in scoring and currently is ranked 7th overall in scoring at the WJC-18. Unfortunately, team Finland was booted before going to the semi-finals.

Although his Liiga performance this year was a dud, he's still only a 17-year old and doesn't turn 18 years old until June. Playing against his peers, his game reappears.

I'd take a gamble on Halttunen with our first 2nd round pick. He's a 6'3 and 207 lbs power forward with a shot.

 

[Kalv]

Kasper Halttunen put up 6g +4a = 10 pts and +5 rating at the recent WJC-18. He led team Finland in scoring and currently is ranked 7th overall in scoring at the WJC-18. Unfortunately, team Finland was booted before going to the semi-finals.

Although his Liiga performance this year was a dud, he's still only a 17-year old and doesn't turn 18 years old until June. Playing against his peers, his game reappears.

I'd take a gamble on Halttunen with our first 2nd round pick. He's a 6'3 and 207 lbs power forward with a shot.

Whoah, I'd love to get him. Teams might be increasing his value now after WJC tho but who knows.

It will be fun after day 1– we'll have the first pick of Day 2 and we'll be able to think/hope what we pick with it

 

[Rasp]

Whoah, I'd love to get him. Teams might be increasing his value now after WJC tho but who knows.

It will be fun after day 1– we'll have the first pick of Day 2 and we'll be able to think/hope what we pick with it

Its a good pick to trade back with if we have a few players we like. I would like us to use it but its trade value is inflated because teams may over value a slider.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Kasper Halttunen put up 6g +4a = 10 pts and +5 rating at the recent WJC-18. He led team Finland in scoring and currently is ranked 7th overall in scoring at the WJC-18. Unfortunately, team Finland was booted before going to the semi-finals.

Although his Liiga performance this year was a dud, he's still only a 17-year old and doesn't turn 18 years old until June. Playing against his peers, his game reappears.

I'd take a gamble on Halttunen with our first 2nd round pick. He's a 6'3 and 207 lbs power forward with a shot.

He looks like a great target for our early 2nd. Hopefully the performance at the u18 doesn't push him firmly into the first round, but it's not hard to picture.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

He looks like a great target for our early 2nd. Hopefully the performance at the u18 doesn't push him firmly into the first round, but it's not hard to picture.

Haltunnen does have another red flag, aside from not producing much in Liiga... he had a concussion early in Octorber of his Liiga season.

Here's a recent article on Haltunnen by Yard Barker: link. All the praising he gets in that article is from his WJC-18 performance. Halttunen literally is a man among boys at 6'3 and 207 lbs as a 17-year old. Again, he was a dud against men in the Liiga as he produced 1 point in 27 games. Then again, that's a huge jump for a 17-year old and probably why he got concussed because the speed of the game is much faster and the bodies hitting the ice are much heavier than what Halttunen is used to facing.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Haltunnen does have another red flag, aside from not producing much in Liiga... he had a concussion early in Octorber of his Liiga season.

Here's a recent article on Haltunnen by Yard Barker: link. All the praising he gets in that article is from his WJC-18 performance. Halttunen literally is a man among boys at 6'3 and 207 lbs as a 17-year old. Again, he was a dud against men in the Liiga as he produced 1 point in 27 games. Then again, that's a huge jump for a 17-year old and probably why he got concussed because the speed of the game is much faster and the bodies hitting the ice are much heavier than what Halttunen is used to facing.

So Haltunnen's producted Halted after a concussion ?

 

[Kshahdoo]

The 3 years are not the concern. It’s the significant chance that he never suits up for the Ducks.

Funny thing, Russian youngsters keep coming to NA leagues and NA people keep saying they won't come...

 

[Mr Rogers]

I do actually think he will come, but it won't be for a few years, which is also somewhat relevant to all this.

I think the positional consideration is important. The Ducks have Zegs and McTavish but we're not completely sure Zegs is best suited at centre. All we can go off for any of these guys is projections, and right now the 3 centres all seem to have PPG(+) potential. i'm not sure i'd take a winger who may not come for a years over a PPG centre who will be here a lot sooner, even if Michkov's offensive ceiling is a little higher.

 

[Rasp]

Funny thing, Russian youngsters keep coming to NA leagues and NA people keep saying they won't come...

It may not end up being the players choice if they can come over

 

[Hockey Duckie]

So Haltunnen's producted Halted after a concussion ?

hahaha Typo... It's Halttunen. I doubled up the wrong letter.

I don't think Halttunen's production ever got off the ground at the Liiga level, tbh. He went from a U20 team one season and jumped to the men's top tier in the Finnish league. Halttunen wasn't ready, but his Liiga team kept churning on him. It didn't help that his Liiga team, HIFK, also was starving for goals. Eventually, he was sent back down to U20 league and his goal scoring came back to life. Afterwards, got lent to the men's 2nd tier in the Finnish league, Mestis. It's a small sample of three games, but he put up more points in Mestis (3 points) in three games than in Liiga, which was 1 point in 27 games.

20/20 hindsight says that Halttunen getting rushed to Liiga was a detriment to his development. He doesn't turn 18 until June. His HFBoard following sees his game more a "hero puck" player than a "team player" right now. A player this young has more room for development. Question is... where should he play next season? Does he stay in Liiga, start in Mestis, or go to NA? If NA, does he go to the CHL with the London Knights who drafted him last year, 35th overall in the 2022 CHL Import draft or is he available to go to the AHL since he didn't go the CHL route.

 

[Kalv]

Boy... I think Smith would be a clear-cut #1 in last years draft. 19 points in 6 games in the U18, he could have Jack Hughes potential judging by numbers alone (i did not dig too deep, just taking this out of my rear end, lol. But he's damn good it seems).

This draft is ridiculous

 

[JabbaJabba]

I said this in Halttunen's thread on prospects board but I say it here again. Halttunen is really a high risk high reward type of player. Either he will become nothing or people will wonder why he wasn't drafted earlier (if he goes in the 2nd round). He has a great shot and good offensive instincts and he moves quite well, especially considering his size. The problem is his overall hockey IQ, which will determine if he's any use in the NHL.

Btw, Halttunen's stats in Liiga were very bad, but circumstances weren't great. His team HIFK was a mess for the first half of the season and no one was scoring. In the second half they got reinforcements and the top players started scoring. Halttunen spent most of his games playing around 10 minutes on the 4th line where he didn't have that many possibilities to succeed. Although he did have a lot of shots without scoring a goal, which was uncouraging. You would think that one or two would go in. Then again he performed well in other leagues and in tournaments as well. Based on his physical attributes, he should be able to play against men and he did have three points in three games in Mestis (2nd best league). So maybe he figures it out starting next season.

So I don't know. The Ducks have a pretty bad record for drafting Finns. I would like to change that but I don't know if Halttunen is the bet you take for achieving that. Ducks have three 2nd rounders for this year so they could spend a pick on him and see what happens. However, I would like to see Ducks try to trade up and get a second 1st rounder. I want quality not quantity and this year seems like a good one for drafting forwards. Getting another pick somewhere between 10-20 would be nice.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I said this in Halttunen's thread on prospects board but I say it here again. Halttunen is really a high risk high reward type of player. Either he will become nothing or people will wonder why he wasn't drafted earlier (if he goes in the 2nd round). He has a great shot and good offensive instincts and he moves quite well, especially considering his size. The problem is his overall hockey IQ, which will determine if he's any use in the NHL.

Btw, Halttunen's stats in Liiga were very bad, but circumstances weren't great. His team HIFK was a mess for the first half of the season and no one was scoring. In the second half they got reinforcements and the top players started scoring. Halttunen spent most of his games playing around 10 minutes on the 4th line where he didn't have that many possibilities to succeed. Although he did have a lot of shots without scoring a goal, which was uncouraging. You would think that one or two would go in. Then again he performed well in other leagues and in tournaments as well. Based on his physical attributes, he should be able to play against men and he did have three points in three games in Mestis (2nd best league). So maybe he figures it out starting next season.

So I don't know. The Ducks have a pretty bad record for drafting Finns. I would like to change that but I don't know if Halttunen is the bet you take for achieving that. Ducks have three 2nd rounders for this year so they could spend a pick on him and see what happens. However, I would like to see Ducks try to trade up and get a second 1st rounder. I want quality not quantity and this year seems like a good one for drafting forwards. Getting another pick somewhere between 10-20 would be nice.

Does Halttunen strike you as someone who might benefit from moving to play in North America next season? From reading his scouting reports, he sounds like he would perhaps be more suited to the north/south style of game.

 

[JabbaJabba]

Does Halttunen strike you as someone who might benefit from moving to play in North America next season? From reading his scouting reports, he sounds like he would perhaps be more suited to the north/south style of game.

IMaybe. I think it would be good for him to learn to crash the net because he has the makings of becoming a power forward. Wherever he plays I just hope he can get top 6 minutes or at least linemates who are not completely useless in the offensive zone. I don't he's going to get that in his current club because there are three right wingers who are clearly ahead of him in the lineup so unless someone moves to left wing, Halttunen is once again left with 4th line position.

So I believe that Halttunen should at least move to another Liiga team or go to North America. He needs quality minutes with better linemates. He has nothing left to prove in the juniors but at least in American junior leagues he could learn North American style of hockey. AHL could be a bit too much for him at this stage of his career so I don't know if you had that in mind or some other league?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

IMaybe. I think it would be good for him to learn to crash the net because he has the makings of becoming a power forward. Wherever he plays I just hope he can get top 6 minutes or at least linemates who are not completely useless in the offensive zone. I don't he's going to get that in his current club because there are three right wingers who are clearly ahead of him in the lineup so unless someone moves to left wing, Halttunen is once again left with 4th line position.

So I believe that Halttunen should at least move to another Liiga team or go to North America. He needs quality minutes with better linemates. He has nothing left to prove in the juniors but at least in American junior leagues he could learn North American style of hockey. AHL could be a bit too much for him at this stage of his career so I don't know if you had that in mind or some other league?

I was thinking CHL import draft. Get him used to playing on the smaller ice surface against his peers for at least this upcoming season, then maybe make a decision on the AHL the following year or send him back to junior again.