Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[91Fedorov]

I mean if columbus wants to move
Jiricek + 2023 1st(and the pick still gets us fantilli/carlsson) + kings 1st
I might listen…. But outside of something crazy like that I’m just taking bedard

I would settle for Jiricek, Johnson and this years #3 pick (Carlsson). I would trade 1st overall for that.

 

[LiveLaughDucks]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

Nope. That’s just not true.

 

[Gliff]

Well, my dream of trading up to 20 to get Perreault is dead.

 

[tomd]

Well, my dream of trading up to 20 to get Perreault is dead.

What would you have traded to move up to 20?

 

[tomd]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

For quite a while now everyone has known that there was a top 4 which did NOT include Smith and that to be guaranteed to be drafting in the top 4 the Ducks had to finish 31st or 32nd. More recently, that top 4 became a top 3 for reasons we aren't allowed to discuss. So everyone knew that in order to be guaranteed a top 3 pick the Ducks had to finish 32nd. The majority of posts that I saw in the tank thread reflected that reality. Sure, Bedard is the prize but for at least the past month there has been growing realization that picking in the top 3 was absolutely the goal. Picking 1st is the dream. Picking 5th would have been a disaster after the season that just ended.

 

[DavidBL]

For quite a while now everyone has known that there was a top 4 which did NOT include Smith and that to be guaranteed to be drafting in the top 4 the Ducks had to finish 31st or 32nd. More recently, that top 4 became a top 3 for reasons we aren't allowed to discuss. So everyone knew that in order to be guaranteed a top 3 pick the Ducks had to finish 32nd. The majority of posts that I saw in the tank thread reflected that reality. Sure, Bedard is the prize but for at least the past month there has been growing realization that picking in the top 3 was absolutely the goal. Picking 1st is the dream. Picking 5th would have been a disaster after the season that just ended.

Not really sure I agree. There was certainly talk about the reality to guarantee a top 3 pick by finishing last but the main goal was still get the best odds of Bedard. They're not really mutually exclusive though. My interpretation was that everyone wanted to finish the 32nd for those best odds and the reality of a top 3 pick was consolation given THIS year's draft. 32nd place accomplished both goals but Bedard was always the primary desire. Which is fine if that is what those people wanted. Unless I am misunderstanding the discussion here?

 

[Mr Rogers]

Not really sure I agree. There was certainly talk about the reality to guarantee a top 3 pick by finishing last but the main goal was still get the best odds of Bedard. They're not really mutually exclusive though. My interpretation was that everyone wanted to finish the 32nd for those best odds and the reality of a top 3 pick was consolation given THIS year's draft. 32nd place accomplished both goals but Bedard was always the primary desire. Which is fine if that is what those people wanted. Unless I am misunderstanding the discussion here?

Why don't you agree with him then?

 

[tomd]

Not really sure I agree. There was certainly talk about the reality to guarantee a top 3 pick by finishing last but the main goal was still get the best odds of Bedard. They're not really mutually exclusive though. My interpretation was that everyone wanted to finish the 32nd for those best odds and the reality of a top 3 pick was consolation given THIS year's draft. 32nd place accomplished both goals but Bedard was always the primary desire. Which is fine if that is what those people wanted. Unless I am misunderstanding the discussion here?

I think we are saying the same thing. Bedard was the prize but everyone knew that drafting in the top 3 was essential.

 

[Gliff]

What would you have traded to move up to 20?

Not sure. Ideally the Ducks could have gotten a late 1st for Henrique and moved that with one of the 2nds to get there.

Its all a pipe dream anyways and it doesn't matter because Perreault will probably go closer to 10.

 

[DavidBL]

Why don't you agree with him then?

I think we are saying the same thing. Bedard was the prize but everyone knew that drafting in the top 3 was essential.

Sorry, I must of misunderstood the discussion. I thought it was being suggested that main main goal of being bad was to get a top 3 pick rather than get best odds at Bedard. Maybe its a bit of semantics but the way I see it is that fans who want to tank always want the best odds at #1 and anything but would be a disappointment. The difference this year is unique or rare in that #2 and #3 are of a tier of most #1s so a top 3 pick became okay specific to this year. Any other year a tank job that didn't yield #1 would be a disappointment. We saw it in the discussions even this year. People were stating if we dropped to 5 or 6 they'd be upset. The way I the conversation has read to me is that the consolation prize of the top 3 pick was the main goal and not the best odds at Bedard.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

2 things can be true at once, it was about getting both the best odds at Bedard and guaranteeing one of Fantilli/Carlsson in an event we dropped in the draft instead of one of the lesser prospects, if you look at the thread from the day we actually clinched last place most people are ecstatic that we have the best odds for Bedard and worst case scenario are getting Fantilli or Carlsson

Obviously most people aren't going to be outwardly hoping for Fantilli or Carlsson over Bedard, but people would obviously much rather Fantilli/Carlsson over Smith/Benson and that's why finishing last was so important.

I mean that was my view on it and why I was team tank, and I saw plenty of people in the tank thread with the same viewpoint, I can't speak for everyone in the tank thread but I think most people thought the same way.

Sure, two things can be true at once but I don't think they were in this case. It was tank for Bedard and if we miss, it won't be the end of the world. The consensus was not, let's tank for a bottom 3 pick. That's nonsense. There will certainly be huge disappointment if Bedard isn't the guy. The tank crowd retconning this into hey, we're just happy to be here, I think is cope to mask just how craven that nonsense was.

 

[HanSolo]

Not sure. Ideally the Ducks could have gotten a late 1st for Henrique and moved that with one of the 2nds to get there.

Its all a pipe dream anyways and it doesn't matter because Perreault will probably go closer to 10.

Couldn't Buffalo be a viable trading partner for their first? I don't imagine their perogative is to wait for their 2023 draft pick to be NHL ready to hope to contend. Could say Pittsburgh might look for roster talent to try to squeeze one more viable run for Sid and Geno, but they could just as likely be ready to embrace the rebuild/retool.

Perreault could be there at 13-14.

 

[Gliff]

Couldn't Buffalo be a viable trading partner for their first? I don't imagine their perogative is to wait for their 2023 draft pick to be NHL ready to hope to contend. Could say Pittsburgh might look for roster talent to try to squeeze one more viable run for Sid and Geno, but they could just as likely be ready to embrace the rebuild/retool.

Perreault could be there at 13-14.

I doubt Henrique fetches a return like that.

Although that would be amazing. I wonder if the Ducks could do something like Henrique for Granlund +1st.

Ducks basically buy the 1st for 5 mil in cash. They could even buy out Granlund and it would cost the Ducks only 500k more then what Henrique's salary is next year.

I'm sure Pens fans would want a longer term fixture for something like that, but damn Granlund sucks lol. Crazy they are paying him 11 mil over the next 2 years.

 

[Gliff]

Doing some reading/watching stuff to get a feel for who Fantilli and Carlsson are as people. Carlsson just seems like such a nice kid. Crazy that he has lived on his own without a roommate since age 15.

Carlsson compares himself to Kopitar.
Fantilli compares himself to MacKinnon/Bergeron.

Meet Leo Carlsson, No. 2 draft pick by the Ducks, whose stutter is just a 'part of me'

NHL veteran Bryan Rust said he's learned to accept stuttering "as part of myself" and said he believes Leo Carlsson will be stronger for it.

theathletic.com

 

[ohcomeonref]

Edit: Doesn't matter.

 

[goonsaredumb]

The tank crowd retconning this into hey, we're just happy to be here, I think is cope to mask just how craven that nonsense was.

That's just you making shit up though, because of your own strong anti-tank feelings why would the tank crowd "retcon" or "cope" all of a sudden when the lottery itself hasn't even happened? Nothing has changed other than us getting exactly what we wanted

It was tank for Bedard and if we miss, it won't be the end of the world. The consensus was not, let's tank for a bottom 3 pick.

Also, I'm not understanding how both of these aren't the exact same thing. It was Tank for Bedard and if we miss we still get a franchise player which is a bottom 3 pick, both of these are the same situation and both required us to finish last place.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What would you have traded to move up to 20?

Im hoping we find a way back into the 1st

Henrique at 50%

take back a whatever contract... i think i remember the leafs doing a trade where they moved

Mrazek + 1st for a 2nd... upgrading those late 2nds would be nice. We have 5 2nds and 3rds over the next 2 seasons... i wouldnt mind upgrading picks this year... at the expense of some of the picks next year.

Not a lot of players that really excite me in rounds 2/3 in this draft.... couple guys that may fall to our 2nd round tho(tho i think were prob going with Ethan Gauthier if hes still on board )

 

[LiveLaughDucks]

Not really sure I agree. There was certainly talk about the reality to guarantee a top 3 pick by finishing last but the main goal was still get the best odds of Bedard. They're not really mutually exclusive though. My interpretation was that everyone wanted to finish the 32nd for those best odds and the reality of a top 3 pick was consolation given THIS year's draft. 32nd place accomplished both goals but Bedard was always the primary desire. Which is fine if that is what those people wanted. Unless I am misunderstanding the discussion here?

I’m confused. Are some of you upset about having the best odds at Bedard? Why are some of you still trying to incite a civil war here? Regardless, that tank thread had countless replies from many of us stating how critical it is to be last place and acknowledging that it meant 3rd overall is the MOST LIKELY outcome. We had all long accepted that. Does it mean we were never allowed to dream of Bedard as a 1/4 possibility. I swear we could be raising the Stanley Cup in 202_ and someone here will still be making snide remarks about cheering against points in April 2023.

 

[LiveLaughDucks]

Sure, two things can be true at once but I don't think they were in this case. It was tank for Bedard and if we miss, it won't be the end of the world. The consensus was not, let's tank for a bottom 3 pick. That's nonsense. There will certainly be huge disappointment if Bedard isn't the guy. The tank crowd retconning this into hey, we're just happy to be here, I think is cope to mask just how craven that nonsense was.

You’ve got selective memory. Nothing is being retconned. The thread is still there. Consider it my quoted proof. If you think that thread should exist without anyone ever mentioning dreams of drafting Bedard, then you’re just unrealistic. You all want us to be irredeemable villains so bad.

 

[DavidBL]

I’m confused. Are some of you upset about having the best odds at Bedard? Why are some of you still trying to incite a civil war here? Regardless, that tank thread had countless replies from many of us stating how critical it is to be last place and acknowledging that it meant 3rd overall is the MOST LIKELY outcome. We had all long accepted that. Does it mean we were never allowed to dream of Bedard as a 1/4 possibility. I swear we could be raising the Stanley Cup in 202_ and someone here will still be making snide remarks about cheering against points in April 2023.

Not at all. Everyone one on here wants Bedard. Not going to dispute that. I do think there there is a difference between wanting to finish last with the expectation of a top 3 pick vs finishing last for 25.5% chance to win Badard. It was what, "Go hard for Bedard" or some variation, not finish last for a top 3 pick. I'd argue in just about any other draft if we don't end up with 1oa then people would not only be disappointed but upset if we didn't. Like I said, it might just be semantics. I think it's mostly about clarifying goals and expectations, Tank to have the best chance at 1oa or tank to guaranteed top 3. There 2 different acceptable outcomes in what is essentially the same situation.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It definitely is just semantics haha. A lot of this just seems like manufactured disagreement lol

“Go Hard for Bedard” is purely somethin that fans made up, a way of branding that it’s in the team’s best interest to lose a lot of games because the team is awful and needs more talent.

 

[tomd]

Im hoping we find a way back into the 1st

Henrique at 50%

take back a whatever contract... i think i remember the leafs doing a trade where they moved

Mrazek + 1st for a 2nd... upgrading those late 2nds would be nice. We have 5 2nds and 3rds over the next 2 seasons... i wouldnt mind upgrading picks this year... at the expense of some of the picks next year.

Not a lot of players that really excite me in rounds 2/3 in this draft.... couple guys that may fall to our 2nd round tho(tho i think were prob going with Ethan Gauthier if hes still on board )

As much as I hope otherwise, I don't think Henrique gets traded until the '24 TDL.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As much as I hope otherwise, I don't think Henrique gets traded until the '24 TDL.

prob right… tho I feel like avs and bruins may have to make a center move at draft/free agency

 

[Leonardo87]

Hey Fellas,

We seem to be going off topic here from the draft discussion and brining back the “tank discussion”. It was a very difficult time seeing the fan base so split like that, even if both wanted what’s best for the future.

Why people wanted to tank, or how they wanted to tank is not the discussion here. So I am asking to please go back to discussing the Top 3 potential picks in this draft , along with the multiple other pics we have in the first three rounds.

Please no more ”Tank talk“ discussion, and questioning members on it.

Thanks

Leo

 

[Anaheim4ever]

prob right… tho I feel like avs and bruins may have to make a center move at draft/free agency

The Avs for sure. Newhook hasn't impressed me.