I think thats the point. The cost for it to make sense for Anaheim makes it a non starter for other teams. Thats why we never see top 5 picks moved.
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I think thats the point. The cost for it to make sense for Anaheim makes it a non starter for other teams. Thats why we never see top 5 picks moved.
In the Cap era, the big mega-blockbuster trade just isn’t possible. The Lindros trade was special because of how unprecedented it was at the time, and how impossible it would be to repeat.
It's interesting about the 1stOA pick being traded, I think Fantilli and Carlsson fit our needs more. Both will be franchise potential players. With Carlsson possibly being the next Getz for us and then some.
But you can't say no to a potential generational talent in Bedard.
But you can't say no to a potential generational talent in Bedard.
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But don't worry, once the draft order is decided we will see plenty of proposals attempting a "fair" value in the trade forum. I almost don't want to win in order to not be a part of that circus
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For Bedard, deal with the circus. Any circus, even the clown ones.
Two weeks from today, friends. getting closer but not close enough to be getting nervous yet haha
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The last game of the season was the lottery for me. It ensured we'd get one of Bedard, Fantilli, or Carlsson. I'm not nervous anymore.
Definitely less so this way, but i definitely will be a bit nervous as Daly reveals each slot haha. it'll more exciting tho than anything.
This year is kind of boring in terms of researching possible options. The top 3(4) are so far ahead of the rest that it's really just them.
I really wish we had another 1st around 20.
I really wish we had another 1st around 20.
We have the first pick in the second. So still research those 20-30 range players.
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I haven't had the time to watch Carlsson'a friendlies with Sweden but it sounds like just shy of rave reviews overall and people are talking about him like he's a lock for the World Championship roster once the tournament gets going. Shame no Bedard or Michkov but considering these two guys are our potential consolation prize, I'm going to watch as much of the WC as I can.
Imagine also pulling one of Benson, Smith of the other guys in that range on top of our top 3 pick.
Definitely but to be honest, I think a lot of us might be singing a different tune on lottery day. The excitement of the potential to get Bedard will be an undeniable emotion. I just hope people don't get pissed off if/when it doesn't happen since probability is not on our side. We have the best chances at something that is still very unlikely to happen. We're not "entitled" or "deserve" to have raw probability to work out in our favor no matter how bad the year went.
Imagine also pulling one of Benson, Smith of the other guys in that range on top of our top 3 pick.
Definitely but to be honest, I think a lot of us might be singing a different tune on lottery day. The excitement of the potential to get Bedard will be an undeniable emotion. I just hope people don't get pissed off if/when it doesn't happen since probability is not on our side. We have the best chances at something that is still very unlikely to happen. We're not "entitled" or "deserve" to have raw probability to work out in our favor no matter how bad the year went.
I mean sure, I'd do that without thinking twice but I think the GM with the first overall pick gets assassinated that night if it happens so..
So I'm really interested how the Russia situation effects the non-Michkov players.
Look at Simachev for example. He is a top 15 guy in most rankings, and even the #1 defensemen off the board on some, but Bob McKenzie's midseason rankings (which are based off actual NHJL scouts) have him in the mid 30s. Is that the Russian factor?
Interestingly enough, a guy like Daniil But is actually higher on McKenzie's list then most others where he is at 25 instead of the 30s and 40s like others.
I really like But. He moves really well for a guy his size (6'5 190) and has a good shot. He really drives the net hard as the extra attacker on the rush if he doesn't get a pass which is something we are lacking I feel.
I think he is a reasonable guy to take with our 1st 2nd, but if he can fall to one of the later 2nds due to the Russian factor then that would be amazing.
Look at Simachev for example. He is a top 15 guy in most rankings, and even the #1 defensemen off the board on some, but Bob McKenzie's midseason rankings (which are based off actual NHJL scouts) have him in the mid 30s. Is that the Russian factor?
Interestingly enough, a guy like Daniil But is actually higher on McKenzie's list then most others where he is at 25 instead of the 30s and 40s like others.
I really like But. He moves really well for a guy his size (6'5 190) and has a good shot. He really drives the net hard as the extra attacker on the rush if he doesn't get a pass which is something we are lacking I feel.
I think he is a reasonable guy to take with our 1st 2nd, but if he can fall to one of the later 2nds due to the Russian factor then that would be amazing.
I like Maxim Strbak for one of the late 2nds.
Big and mobile RHD. Not a ton of offense but looks really strong along the boards and seems to make the 10 foot pass to escape danger in his own end every time.
Someone to watch at the U18 is Danny Nelson. One of the youngest guys in the draft with an August birthday. He is basically the best of the rest after the top 4 studs on the NTDP.
Big and mobile RHD. Not a ton of offense but looks really strong along the boards and seems to make the 10 foot pass to escape danger in his own end every time.
Someone to watch at the U18 is Danny Nelson. One of the youngest guys in the draft with an August birthday. He is basically the best of the rest after the top 4 studs on the NTDP.
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Washington maybe picks him with their 2nd. They and Minnesota are so predictable lately on that they'll pick a Russian that falls in the draft to late first or 2nd round, i expected them to do it last year with Miro and Yurov and they did it like i expected, Miro first and then Yurov.
Minneosta could pick But with their 1st they still have it.
It'd be crazy how Washington could end up with Michkov, But and Miro on their team.
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Oh many will be upset if we don't get Bedard. The whole tank thread was all about it. There was a lot of tension if the team earned a loser point or won a game.
I spent a lot of time looking at Will Smith because I thought we'd win enough to finish third and we could move down to 5th as a worst case scenario. Now that we finished last, imo, we already won the lottery. We're talking about how much icing we're getting on our cake. That's I see it, especially since we've seen Z and McTavish at the NHL level already and Terry blooming late.
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I still think were going to find our way back into the middle 15-30 range.... via cap dump/ or henrique/gibson/comtois moves.
Our board has already basically pivoted to arguing about Smith, Benson, and Michkov. I don't think there's a Jackets fan on this site who expects a top-three pick now. It's fun to check in on you guys, San Jose, and Chicago and see the same conversations in every place (although you guys obviously have the best outlook since you can't drop below third).
I'd love if Jarmo could somehow find the right combo to send over with Elvis to get Gibson. LA's first would only be the starting point there, I'd imagine.
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Idk what id even want to move that 1st. Id prob want to stay in top 4 this year... so it would have to be lottery winner to 2nd or columbus/chicago/Sj
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Haha we were panicking all season bout how important having a 1st pre lotto was.
Im not unconvinced a team like SJ/Chicago wouldnt take Michkov at #2 #3 or #4.... they are at the start of their rebuilds so the time waiting on him isnt as damning for them. They can draft michkov suck again next year and continue to add assets and hope to get another top 3-5 pick in 2024 and 2025. So maybe Carlsson is still there at 4... i also kinda wonder if anyone has Carlsson over Fantilli.... personally i like Fantilli more, but i could def see teams with Carlsson over fantilli.
As far as Gibson trade goes, im all for it.... but i assume were going to have to take back an iffy goalie to get it done (which is fine, dostal isnt ready for full time)... but i also dont want to give Gibson away for nothing and his value league wide prob isnt anywhere near what wed want.
Elvis is a little scary because of the time on his contract (but i suppose Gibson prob falls under the same boat) but id say easily the safer bet to get back to his normal self. At this point kinda hoping we can salvage a 1st off gibson... and maybe another pick while taking back a bad contract.
I know, I just wish they wouldn't be. It's better to expect the disappointing result and be ready for it/be pleasantly surprised if we actually win or only drop one spot. I mean don't get me wrong, it's tough to be in range of a potentially generational prospect and miss out because a ping pong ball didn't bounce the right way. It's a rare opportunity cast to shit by bad luck and Ducks fans have lamented missing out on Crosby for years. But it's one thing to be disappointed that something wonderful yet not likely didn't happen. It's another to get pissed and resentful that we finished last so we deserved it, or we finished last and never picked first, or the NHL screwed us out of Crosby. Nothing productive about hanging onto that bitterness.
And especially not this year when we have first overall quality consolation prizes available. It's like you said. Finishing last was like winning a lottery. The Ducks have never been in such a viable position going into the draft. I think on day of, if we don't win first, I'll be bummed but I'm not gonna dwell on an expected result.
On that note I quick ran the tankathon sim like must have been 25 times with quick taps. The amount of times Chicago picked first or second while we picked third was actually making me upset considering we only got first once and second twice. More cause f*** the Blackhawks org. But still
I actually don't really agree with either of these. I think most people wanted 32nd because nobody wanted to worry about Michkov and it would guarantee Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson. More generally, i think people just wanted to go as low as possible because it's obvious we still need more horsepower up front.
Sure Bedard would be awesome, but I don't think people will be upset. there's also the aspect of both of the other guys potentially being better 'fits' on this team.
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The tank thread was more about finishing last place so we guaranteed one of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson, I don't think any of the people posting in there expect to be guaranteed Bedard, it was more about if we miss out on Bedard at least we get a Fantilli or Carlsson or Michkov instead of a Smith or Benson
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