Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Oh many will be upset if we don't get Bedard. The whole tank thread was all about it. There was a lot of tension if the team earned a loser point or won a game.

I spent a lot of time looking at Will Smith because I thought we'd win enough to finish third and we could move down to 5th as a worst case scenario. Now that we finished last, imo, we already won the lottery. We're talking about how much icing we're getting on our cake. That's I see it, especially since we've seen Z and McTavish at the NHL level already and Terry blooming late.

Idk that people will be upset...

I think finishing last was what most wanted... so that gurenteed us 1 of Fantilli Carlsson or bedard.... cause even if we finished 4th.... we prob have a significant drop off cause i couldnt realistically see us going michkov.

 

[91Fedorov]

Idk that people will be upset...

I think finishing last was what most wanted... so that gurenteed us 1 of Fantilli Carlsson or bedard.... cause even if we finished 4th.... we prob have a significant drop off cause i couldnt realistically see us going michkov.

You hit the nail on the head for me, and I think a lot of other fans here too. I wanted dead last so we knew something really good would come from this horrible season. Bedard isn't even who I'm personally hoping for. His size worries me, as well as his selfishness with the puck. I'll be happy with any of the 3 you mentioned.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I don't know why you guys are so dismissive of finding out what value the first pick may have, the Avs built a perennial contender in part due to the Lindros trade. I also don't personally view Bedard as Crosby or McDavid tier either at this time

 

[Hockey Duckie]

And especially not this year when we have first overall quality consolation prizes available. It's like you said. Finishing last was like winning a lottery. The Ducks have never been in such a viable position going into the draft. I think on day of, if we don't win first, I'll be bummed but I'm not gonna dwell on an expected result.

We actually were in a good position before in the 2021 draft lottery. We finished with the 2nd worst record. There was a consensus top-2 in Power being #1 and C Beniers being #2. We fell down one spot to #3 after the lottery.

According to Murray/Madden, their tier was Power, 2-8 were interchangeable, and then the third tier. We're fortunate to have drafted McTavish #3 over the other viable players after this season has played out. Before the draft, who to pick at #3 was fierce on who to draft.

 

[HanSolo]

We actually were in a good position before in the 2021 draft lottery. We finished with the 2nd worst record. There was a consensus top-2 in Power being #1 and C Beniers being #2. We fell down one spot to #3 after the lottery.

According to Murray/Madden, their tier was Power, 2-8 were interchangeable, and then the third tier. We're fortunate to have drafted McTavish #3 over the other viable players after this season has played out. Before the draft, who to pick at #3 was fierce on who to draft.

You're right. I didn't mean we've never been in good position. Just that we've never been guaranteed a first overall quality guy. 2021 was a better class than 2022 seems to be, but this is a really care kind of draft class up top.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Idk that people will be upset...

I think finishing last was what most wanted... so that gurenteed us 1 of Fantilli Carlsson or bedard.... cause even if we finished 4th.... we prob have a significant drop off cause i couldnt realistically see us going michkov.

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

 

[HanSolo]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

So we could guarantee third overall.

 

[pbgoalie]

Personally, I wanted last so we would ensure a top three given our lottery luck.

As was mentioned, I’d love to get Bedard, but thrilled with any of the top 4

 

[91Fedorov]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

You're putting a lot of words in a lot of peoples mouths. For me specifically, I wanted top 3 locked in. I'm even on the record as of January 21st saying I actually would prefer that we get Carlsson over Bedard. The odds of missing out on Carlsson or Fantilli go much higher if you're in 2nd or 3rd.

 

[ADHB]

I don't understand where the argument came from that everyone wanted the #1 pick to get Bedard. Yes, we wanted the #1 pick to have the best odds at him, but virtually every person on this board that posted was in agreement that we wanted that top 3 pick so that even if we don't win the lottery, we have a *floor* of whoever is left between Fantilli and Carlsson, which is a just reward for this abomination of a season.

No worrying about Michkov's status, no having to settle for a great, but clearly second tier, prospect.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I don't know why you guys are so dismissive of finding out what value the first pick may have, the Avs built a perennial contender in part due to the Lindros trade. I also don't personally view Bedard as Crosby or McDavid tier either at this time

Before there was a salary cap. Even if you could luck out and hit on every piece of a return for Bedard you're not going to be able to afford to keep them all.

7 years of team control for a guy who is projected to be a perennial 40+ goal scorer is not something any team would consider trading.

 

[HunterDuck]

I am completely sold on Carlsson solely due to the armchair GMs in YouTube comment sections that are doubting him.

He is the center of the wheel which we strike with the whirling spokes of Z, Mac, and whichever other weapons Verbeek backs the brinks truck up for.

 

[ayrton2388]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

Yeah... no. Fans were worried that finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th is gonna lead to Anaheim ending up with the 4th, 5th or 6th pick. And considering how bad our season was, and how good the top 3 picks are, it would've been a monumental wasted opportunity, since i don't see this team being this bad again.
Getting Bedard was the cherry on the cake, but fans were always, always thinking about that 1 or 2 places drop.

I get that you like Will Smith, you've been mentioning this a lot, if i'm not mistaken. But i don't think he'll end up as good as Fantilli or Carlson, and there is always the chance that he might not even be available at 5th or 6th pick.

Picking 1-3 really is another tier compared to picking 4-6, and Anaheim got so damn lucky, considering they almost blew it.

TLDR: dropping 2 places was always in the back of our minds, and almost no Ducks fan was eager to pick 5th after this bad of a season, in this great of a draft.

 

[HunterDuck]

you don’t trade top 5 picks. You forsure never tradecthe #1 overall. Especially when it’s a generational player.

But sure, let’s play around. I would trade down to #2 if they add a top 10 prospect to the deal.

If Columbus gets #2, then trade down for Jiricek.

Arizona, Cooley.

Detroit, Edvinsson.

If I had a magic Jobu statue that told me Bedard is going to be Daigle Yakupov, or even RNH, then we do that deal.

 

[Vipers31]

Nope. That wasn't the sentiment b/c I brought this topic up in the thread board. It was all for Bedard. This talk now about okay with Fantilli or Carlsson is whitewashing what really did transpire. Again, the tank thread was vehement even after gaining one point. I was all onboard with Will Smith and really liked what I saw from him. He's still #3 on Central Scouting NA ranking. The tank board didn't care about Smith, Carlsson, nor Fantilli. It's that 25.5% chance to land Bedard.

Disagree with that perception. The overwhelming likeliness of picking 3rd even with the last place finish and not having to bother with the Michkov-situation and the next tier of players seemed to be at the forefront of most minds.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Let's hypothesize Anaheim gets the number 1 I can't be alone in wanting to shop it?

You know this is Bedard's draft year, right?

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

If we won the lottery, we better took Bedard and ran. Only two players even worth thinking about trading Bedard for are McJesus and Drai. Both could move once their remaining 3 or whatever years of the contract are up. No reason in trading the pick whatsoever.

I can't believe people are honestly considering trading Bedard for ANYTHING..

This isn't an everyday first overall pick, its a generational talent. If Verbeek even takes a call on Bedard, the owners should step in and immediately let him go.

 

[GermanRocket7]

Nice, I have tickets to 2 Canadian games, it will be interesting to see Fantill. Have to watch some Swedish games as well (but on TV as they're in the Tampere group).

The lotto will be before the Worlds, it might or might not increase the interest in seeing them both. Will see.

I got them on Sat. 20th against Switzerland.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[Anaheim4ever]

The only years trading the 1st overall made sense was when there was not 100% clear #1 overall like 2017 and 2022 imo. Then also a year like 2020 where the #1 overall was mediocre in terms of 1st overall talent when there is also a guy like Stutzle available whom I was higher on than Laf.

Then you have Brian Burke in 2012 who years later said Yakupov was not #1 on their list, and if the Leafs had the #1 in 2012 would they have traded down a few spots ?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Btw which Quebec prospects will the Ducks draft this year ? Because you know they will !
If RW 5'11 Ethan Gauthier is there at #33 i could see the Ducks picking him. He's ranked #31 on Tankathon.
Other top QMJHL include 5'11 RW Cataford and 6'0 Dman Morin.

Projected 3rd round pick Matteo Mann is a 6'5 Dman, sounds like a Verbeek pick.
Madden and Madden Sr. seem to scout the prospects there very well so i'd expect at least a few draft picks from the QMJHL

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The only years trading the 1st overall made sense was when there was not 100% clear #1 overall like 2017 and 2022 imo. Then also a year like 2020 where the #1 overall was mediocre in terms of 1st overall talent when there is also a guy like Stutzle available whom I was higher on than Laf.

Then you have Brian Burke in 2012 who years later said Yakupov was not #1 on their list, and if the Leafs had the #1 in 2012 would they have traded down a few spots ?

I mean if columbus wants to move
Jiricek + 2023 1st(and the pick still gets us fantilli/carlsson) + kings 1st
I might listen…. But outside of something crazy like that I’m just taking bedard

 

[Gliff]

Btw which Quebec prospects will the Ducks draft this year ? Because you know they will !
If RW 5'11 Ethan Gauthier is there at #33 i could see the Ducks picking him. He's ranked #31 on Tankathon.
Other top QMJHL include 5'11 RW Cataford and 6'0 Dman Morin.

Projected 3rd round pick Matteo Mann is a 6'5 Dman, sounds like a Verbeek pick.
Madden and Madden Sr. seem to scout the prospects there very well so i'd expect at least a few draft picks from the QMJHL

We go through waves. There were the Swedish years. Then the USNDT years. Last year was the Q year.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I actually don't really agree with either of these. I think most people wanted 32nd because nobody wanted to worry about Michkov and it would guarantee Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson. More generally, i think people just wanted to go as low as possible because it's obvious we still need more horsepower up front.

Sure Bedard would be awesome, but I don't think people will be upset. there's also the aspect of both of the other guys potentially being better 'fits' on this team.

We're just comparing anec-data but I'm pretty sure most of the tank-justifying posts were about getting the "best odds" for Bedard, because that was the point. I didn't see too many Get Silly for Fantilli slogans.

 

[goonsaredumb]

We're just comparing anec-data but I'm pretty sure most of the tank-justifying posts were about getting the "best odds" for Bedard, because that was the point. I didn't see too many Get Silly for Fantilli slogans.

2 things can be true at once, it was about getting both the best odds at Bedard and guaranteeing one of Fantilli/Carlsson in an event we dropped in the draft instead of one of the lesser prospects, if you look at the thread from the day we actually clinched last place most people are ecstatic that we have the best odds for Bedard and worst case scenario are getting Fantilli or Carlsson

Obviously most people aren't going to be outwardly hoping for Fantilli or Carlsson over Bedard, but people would obviously much rather Fantilli/Carlsson over Smith/Benson and that's why finishing last was so important.

I mean that was my view on it and why I was team tank, and I saw plenty of people in the tank thread with the same viewpoint, I can't speak for everyone in the tank thread but I think most people thought the same way.