Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Anaheim4ever]

Yeah i know its early but 2022 draft discussion started pretty quickly too last year.
So far its #1 Bedard and #2 Mitchkov but after that what are players you are interested in for the Ducks ?
I don't see Bedard falling like Wright did at all. Who will be this years Slaf and Cooley ?

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[91Fedorov]

As they’re revealing the picks at the draft lottery (going from pick 16 down to 1), sure would be nice to see some team like the Pens or Flames “skipped.” Would sure make it a lot less stressful.

I think last year, they only unveiled the top 5 or 6, didn't they?

 

[ADHB]

I think last year, they only unveiled the top 5 or 6, didn't they?

Honestly I don’t remember specifically, but I don’t recall watching one recently (other than the pandemic year) where they didn’t reveal every pick.

 

[Kalv]

As they’re revealing the picks at the draft lottery (going from pick 16 down to 1), sure would be nice to see some team like the Pens or Flames “skipped.” Would sure make it a lot less stressful.

Hmm? How does that impact us? I mean for teams up until Ottawa

 

[ADHB]

Hmm? How does that impact us? I mean for teams up until Ottawa

Because if a team near the bottom (or top depending on how you look at it) doesn’t appear in its proper spot… for example, Calgary at pick 16, then that likely means said team has won the first lottery drawing, meaning we get to keep the #1 pick.

Not a lock of course, because they could have won the second lottery drawing. But it would be good news for us.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

So assuming they drop to #3, this is possibly a best case scenario in 4 years looks like:

McTavish/Carlsson/Terry
Gaucher/Zegras/Pastujov
Tracey/Lundestrom/Perreault - i still have hope Perreault and Tracey bounce back in SD next year.
Hvidston/King/Tschigerl

Mintyukov/Drysdale
Zellweger/Luneau
LaCombe/Hinds/Warren

Dostal/Clang

 

[91Fedorov]

So assuming they drop to #3, this is possibly a best case scenario in 4 years looks like:

McTavish/Carlsson/Terry
Gaucher/Zegras/Pastujov
Tracey/Lundestrom/Perreault - i still have hope Perreault and Tracey bounce back in SD next year.
Hvidston/King/Tschigerl

Mintyukov/Drysdale
Zellweger/Luneau
LaCombe/Hinds/Warren

Dostal/Clang

I was thinking they would move Zegras to wing before McTavish. Why did you see it the other way around?

 

[HanSolo]

I would be so pissed if we dropped to 3, so annoying after dealing with this terrible season

Why would you be pissed about something that has such a high chance of happening? The whole benefit of finishing last was getting a first overall quality prospect guaranteed.

I think last year, they only unveiled the top 5 or 6, didn't they?

Honestly I don’t remember specifically, but I don’t recall watching one recently (other than the pandemic year) where they didn’t reveal every pick.

Not last year, no.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I was thinking they would move Zegras to wing before McTavish. Why did you see it the other way around?

true that. Zegras on the wing of McTavish would be better then.

 

[Kalv]

Because if a team near the bottom (or top depending on how you look at it) doesn’t appear in its proper spot… for example, Calgary at pick 16, then that likely means said team has won the first lottery drawing, meaning we get to keep the #1 pick.

Not a lock of course, because they could have won the second lottery drawing. But it would be good news for us.

Aha, thank you. I missed that there will be only two drawings. And also I missed this: " ...If a team in the 12-16 range wins the first drawing, the first pick will be awarded to the worst team. The 12-16 seed team that won the first drawing is also locked into their new position."

 

[Kalv]

Leo Carlsson's thread has some random tape (on Tw) from his playoff run. His skating looked day and night from earlier in the season. He looks incredible, he is money on the boards, he consistently plays on the inside, and I think he has an excellent IQ. I still haven't seen much of his defensive play, but he looks good.

C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

Barring no lottery luck, this is the perfect Sharks pick. They've been adding TONS of Swedes over the last 2 or 3 years, and he fits Grier's recent pickups as a big center.

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[Anaheim4ever]

Leo Carlsson's thread has some random tape (on Tw) from his playoff run. His skating looked day and night from earlier in the season. He looks incredible, he is money on the boards, he consistently plays on the inside, and I think he has an excellent IQ. I still haven't seen much of his defensive play, but he looks good.

C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

Barring no lottery luck, this is the perfect Sharks pick. They've been adding TONS of Swedes over the last 2 or 3 years, and he fits Grier's recent pickups as a big center.

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The stuff i had recently read about him is that skating is a strength of Carlsson.
Maybe he just didn't use his speed as much before and was slowing the game down ?

 

[Kalv]

The stuff i had recently read about him is that skating is a strength of Carlsson.
Maybe he just didn't use his speed as much before and was slowing the game down ?

I don't think so. The tape I saw (just some scouting vids on YouTube) is he didn't had the cleanest strides, his skating looked ugly. That was earlier in the season. Some of those plays in the playoffs tho... he was flying through the middle of the ice, It really looked like a strength of his in some plays.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I don't think so. The tape I saw (just some scouting vids on YouTube) is he didn't had the cleanest strides, his skating looked ugly. That was earlier in the season. Some of those plays in the playoffs tho... he was flying through the middle of the ice, It really looked like a strength of his in some plays.

Scouting reports about his skating are all over the place it seems. Some say he's fast and quick while others say its a weakness. Amazing how he went from slow to absolutely flying in the playoffs which makes me wonder if he was sick earlier or something.

 

[Gliff]

The stuff i had recently read about him is that skating is a strength of Carlsson.
Maybe he just didn't use his speed as much before and was slowing the game down ?

I’d say it was like Power in his draft year. His skating is only a strength because of how big he is. He isn’t an amazing skater but he is an amazing skater for a player his size.
It won’t hold him back but he won’t be like Fantilli.

I trust our scouts to make the right choice at #2. I go back and forth constantly lol.

 

[Kalv]

We're most likely to pick #3, but it's interesting that we have the best odds for all 3 best picks.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Seriously, what was your reasoning for picking Stramel? I'm just curious...on the surface the guy is just a big body with not much offense (sound familiar?). Seems like a guy with very little upside.

Kudos to you for putting in the work to do the entire draft even if I don't agree with that particular pick.

I am basing this mostly off of second hand reports rather than really digging in on watching these guys a ton, but I like everything I read about the guy outside of the lack of offense. The combination of size, speed and intangibles in a right handed center is pretty rare. The scouting report and NTDP numbers line up pretty close with a young Ryan Kesler, up until the point where Kesler had a much stronger offensive transition to the college game as a freshman.

A player with his profile is a surefire first rounder with even middling production as a freshman this year, but he fell a little below that. There is a portion of the scouting community who believe there is an offensive breakout in him.

If you can end up with a fast, physical bottom sixer(he's also apparently great in the faceoff dot) out of a second round pick, you've actually done quite well. But I also think throwing those kinds of darts at the board, is how you end up with your Wilson type guy, who can add an element to your lineup that goes far beyond just the points they put up.

Part of it is that I'm out selecting players I think the Ducks may target based on past precedence, rather than really having a ranking of all these guys of my own (ie taking Stramel in part because he does seem similar to what they like in Gaucher and others). Madden and his staff aren't necessarily shooting for the moon for offensive ceiling with a lot of their forwards picked in the late first or second round. Most of them are prospects known for physical and intangible traits more so than skill and offensive production. Out of that the Ducks rarely miss in terms of at least getting an NHL player out of picks where statistically you are far from guaranteed one.

We're most likely to pick #3, but it's interesting that we have the best odds for all 3 best picks.

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I don't know why, but for whatever reason I have had Fantilli and the Ducks associated ever since he appeared on my radar. So now I just have it in my head we are picking second and taking him.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

We're most likely to pick #3, but it's interesting that we have the best odds for all 3 best picks.

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It should be the opposite honestly, (55% chance of being 1st)

I’m happy that we basically have a 1 in 4 chance of picking first, but it will be nerve wracking to watch

Bradley Nadeau shoots up the CS rankings.. could use a player like him with his speed and skill

 

[WhatTheDuck]

CSB final rankings are out much earlier this season -

Bedard tops Central Scouting North American ranking for 2023 NHL Draft | NHL.com

Regina center had 143 points in 57 games; Orebro forward Carlsson No. 1 among International skaters

www.nhl.com

 

[HanSolo]

Michkov below Carlsson immediately jumps out at me. I have to imagine there's some consideration about his timeline for NHL availability and/or maybe it's a size concern (but Bedard isn't exactly a tower either)

 

[tomd]

So assuming they drop to #3, this is possibly a best case scenario in 4 years looks like:

McTavish/Carlsson/Terry
Gaucher/Zegras/Pastujov
Tracey/Lundestrom/Perreault - i still have hope Perreault and Tracey bounce back in SD next year.
Hvidston/King/Tschigerl

Mintyukov/Drysdale
Zellweger/Luneau
LaCombe/Hinds/Warren

Dostal/Clang

In 4 years? Many of those names will be long gone but you can realistically expect that the Ducks will have another top 10 pick in 2024 and probably 2025 as well.

 

[Gliff]

Michkov below Carlsson immediately jumps out at me. I have to imagine there's some consideration about his timeline for NHL availability and/or maybe it's a size concern (but Bedard isn't exactly a tower either)

Pretty sure central scouting is just purely raking based on their prospect pedigree. It isn't a draft ranking that takes into account contract status or anything like that.

 

[Leonardo87]

I would be so pissed if we dropped to 3, so annoying after dealing with this terrible season

Normally I would be also, but in this draft, not so much. We are getting a franchise player. If anything, I think Fantilli and Carlsson fit our needs more than Bedard. But of course not going to say no to Bedard, lol.

 

[Leonardo87]

Leo Carlsson's thread has some random tape (on Tw) from his playoff run. His skating looked day and night from earlier in the season. He looks incredible, he is money on the boards, he consistently plays on the inside, and I think he has an excellent IQ. I still haven't seen much of his defensive play, but he looks good.

C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

Barring no lottery luck, this is the perfect Sharks pick. They've been adding TONS of Swedes over the last 2 or 3 years, and he fits Grier's recent pickups as a big center.

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I also like how he is able to protect the puck and also knock guys off of it. We need that in the Anaheim line up. Our current guys can't keep possession .

 

[HanSolo]

Pretty sure central scouting is just purely raking based on their prospect pedigree. It isn't a draft ranking that takes into account contract status or anything like that.

I mean that's my understanding of the ranking as well. Just strikes me as interesting.

 

[tomd]

I am basing this mostly off of second hand reports rather than really digging in on watching these guys a ton, but I like everything I read about the guy outside of the lack of offense. The combination of size, speed and intangibles in a right handed center is pretty rare. The scouting report and NTDP numbers line up pretty close with a young Ryan Kesler, up until the point where Kesler had a much stronger offensive transition to the college game as a freshman.

A player with his profile is a surefire first rounder with even middling production as a freshman this year, but he fell a little below that. There is a portion of the scouting community who believe there is an offensive breakout in him.

If you can end up with a fast, physical bottom sixer(he's also apparently great in the faceoff dot) out of a second round pick, you've actually done quite well. But I also think throwing those kinds of darts at the board, is how you end up with your Wilson type guy, who can add an element to your lineup that goes far beyond just the points they put up.

Part of it is that I'm out selecting players I think the Ducks may target based on past precedence, rather than really having a ranking of all these guys of my own (ie taking Stramel in part because he does seem similar to what they like in Gaucher and others). Madden and his staff aren't necessarily shooting for the moon for offensive ceiling with a lot of their forwards picked in the late first or second round. Most of them are prospects known for physical and intangible traits more so than skill and offensive production. Out of that the Ducks rarely miss in terms of at least getting an NHL player out of picks where statistically you are far from guaranteed one.



I don't know why, but for whatever reason I have had Fantilli and the Ducks associated ever since he appeared on my radar. So now I just have it in my head we are picking second and taking him.

Thanks for the detailed thoughts on Stramel. I could totally see PV and company taking him at 33. If his offense comes around (a big if) then he could be a great pick. That said, I was not surprised to see that he dropped from 21 to 30 on the final NHL Central Scouting list for N/A players.