2023 NHL Draft June 28 and 29, Nashville, TN (Selections - 13, 39, 45, 86, 109, 141, 173, 205)

[Chainshot]

Nope you'll have to start it with an Eiserman golden goal

It'll have to be the GTG instead.

 

[Chainshot]

Trending up to me from U18 viewings: Will Smith, Willander, Dvorsky, Hrabal, Hutson, Sandy Pelican, Danny Nelson, Stenberg, Cleveland, Augustine.

Leonard has shown the skill I'd hoped but he just gets buried so often playing his game at his size against peers, what happens at the next level?

Starting to think he won't translate in his current role: Perreault.

For the underagers obviously Celebrini, but Eiserman tries to be a one-man gang so often, like if Lysell could actually finish. But he's got enough size/speed to make it work at this level.

When he's fully grown, I have no doubt Leonard will be a difference maker. It feels like a bunch of players had statement series - Stenberg, Edstrom, the Swedes defense, Dvorsky, Urban, MacDonell - that should have them in good standing with their draft positioning. And there were certainly those who I wanted to see who "answered" questions I had about them like the Canadian defense, Cristall, Heidt or Sale in a way that wasn't nearly as good.

 

[Ralonzo]

I will assent to your take on Minnetian as well. On the one hand there must be no way Willander makes it to 39 but the guy I saw out there the last few games might not be such a reach at 13. Trade down if you need to and you don't love anyone in that spot? A bunch of guys I wasn't thinking about as top-10 put themselves squarely into that mix, which pushes other guys who were top-10 down through no fault of their own (Sale notwithstanding). Will have to digest a few mocks to see what's a reasonable expectation there.

 

[Djp]

Draft order is set other than the lottery and who the final 4 are

32 boston
31 carolina
30 Vegas
29 colorado
28 New Jersey
27 Toronto
26 Edmonton
25 dallas
24 rangers
23 LA
22 Minnesota
21 Seattle
20 tampa
19 winnipeg
18 Islanders
17 Florida

the final four teams pull out of that order and they compress down 29-30 conf final losers, 31 cup loser, 32 cup winner

can move up if they get win the power balls
16 Calgary
15 Nashville
14 Pittsburgh
13 Buffalo
12 Ottawa

bedard possible winners are
11 vancouver
10 st louis
9 washington
8 detroit
7 phildelphia
6 arizona
5 montreal
4 San jose
3 chicago
2 columbus
1 anaheim

they two winners move up appropriately and everyone else will move back that they pass.

Philadelphia pick is at 39. Buffalo at 45.

Carolina
Vegas
28 Boston
25-27 Colorado
Devils
Toronto
Edmonton
Dallas
Rangers
23 LA (-2)
22 Minnesota (-2)
Seattle
20 Tampa (-1 )
19: Winnipeg (-1)
18 Isles (-1j
Florida

(-#) how much pick could move up.

be its Seattle-Dallas and Edmonton-Vegas, the Edmonton-Vegas loser will go down a spot in draft pick lication.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

1	Connor Bedard	C	CAN	Regina	WHL	-
2	Adam Fantilli	C	CAN	U. of Michigan	NCAA	-
3	Matvei Michkov	RW/LW	RUS	Sochi	KHL	-
4	Leo Carlsson	C/LW	SWE	Örebro	SHL	-
5	Will Smith	C	USA	U18	NTDP	-
6	Zach Benson	LW	CAN	Winnipeg	WHL	-
7	Oliver Moore	C	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 2
8	Gabe Perreault	LW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 3
9	Dalibor Dvorsky	C/LW	SVK	AIK	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 1
10	Matthew Wood	RW	CAN	UConn	NCAA	Up 2
11	Ryan Leonard	RW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 4
12	Eduard Sale	RW/LW	CZE	Brno	Czechia	Down 2
13	Andrew Cristall	LW	CAN	Kelowna	WHL	Down 6
14	Brayden Yager	C	CAN	Moose Jaw	WHL	Down 1
15	David Reinbacher	RHD	AUT	Kloten	NL	Up 2
16	Axel Sandin Pellikka	RHD	SWE	Skelleftea	SHL	Up 5
17	Colby Barlow	LW/RW	CAN	Owen Sound	OHL	Down 3
18	Quentin Musty	LW	USA	Sudbury	OHL	Up 2
19	Calum Ritchie	C	CAN	Oshawa	OHL	-
20	Nate Danielson	C	CAN	Brandon	WHL	Up 2
21	Riley Heidt	C	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 3
22	Mikhail Gulyayev	LHD	RUS	Omskie	MHL	Down 6
23	Bradly Nadeau	LW	CAN	Penticton	BCHL	Up 3
24	Gavin Brindley	C/RW	USA	Michigan	NCAA	Up 1
25	Samuel Honzek	LW	SVK	Vancouver	WHL	Up 2
26	Daniil But	LW/RW	RUS	Yaroslavl	MHL	Up 5
27	Jayden Perron	RW	CAN	Chicago	USHL	Up 1
28	Ethan Gauthier	RW	CAN	Sherbrooke	QMJHL	Down 4
29	Otto Stenberg	C/LW	SWE	Frolunda	J20	Up 2
30	Koehn Ziemmer	RW	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 7
31	Etienne Morin	LHD	CAN	Moncton	QMJHL	Up 3
32	Alex Ciernik	LW/RW	SVK	Södertälje	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 2

 

[Ralonzo]

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)

Always a chance some team reaches on a pick. Seems to happen almost every year.

 

[Gabrielor]

Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

1	Connor Bedard	C	CAN	Regina	WHL	-
2	Adam Fantilli	C	CAN	U. of Michigan	NCAA	-
3	Matvei Michkov	RW/LW	RUS	Sochi	KHL	-
4	Leo Carlsson	C/LW	SWE	Örebro	SHL	-
5	Will Smith	C	USA	U18	NTDP	-
6	Zach Benson	LW	CAN	Winnipeg	WHL	-
7	Oliver Moore	C	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 2
8	Gabe Perreault	LW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 3
9	Dalibor Dvorsky	C/LW	SVK	AIK	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 1
10	Matthew Wood	RW	CAN	UConn	NCAA	Up 2
11	Ryan Leonard	RW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 4
12	Eduard Sale	RW/LW	CZE	Brno	Czechia	Down 2
13	Andrew Cristall	LW	CAN	Kelowna	WHL	Down 6
14	Brayden Yager	C	CAN	Moose Jaw	WHL	Down 1
15	David Reinbacher	RHD	AUT	Kloten	NL	Up 2
16	Axel Sandin Pellikka	RHD	SWE	Skelleftea	SHL	Up 5
17	Colby Barlow	LW/RW	CAN	Owen Sound	OHL	Down 3
18	Quentin Musty	LW	USA	Sudbury	OHL	Up 2
19	Calum Ritchie	C	CAN	Oshawa	OHL	-
20	Nate Danielson	C	CAN	Brandon	WHL	Up 2
21	Riley Heidt	C	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 3
22	Mikhail Gulyayev	LHD	RUS	Omskie	MHL	Down 6
23	Bradly Nadeau	LW	CAN	Penticton	BCHL	Up 3
24	Gavin Brindley	C/RW	USA	Michigan	NCAA	Up 1
25	Samuel Honzek	LW	SVK	Vancouver	WHL	Up 2
26	Daniil But	LW/RW	RUS	Yaroslavl	MHL	Up 5
27	Jayden Perron	RW	CAN	Chicago	USHL	Up 1
28	Ethan Gauthier	RW	CAN	Sherbrooke	QMJHL	Down 4
29	Otto Stenberg	C/LW	SWE	Frolunda	J20	Up 2
30	Koehn Ziemmer	RW	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 7
31	Etienne Morin	LHD	CAN	Moncton	QMJHL	Up 3
32	Alex Ciernik	LW/RW	SVK	Södertälje	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 2

His positions on D are interesting.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Graphs for everything!! But it does let you see who’s stock has fallen and who’s has risen.

 

[Matt Ress]

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)

Barlow

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

His positions on D are interesting.

His Cristall ranking and assessment is interesting too. I'd kill to know what each team thinks of him -- I'm guessing there's a humungous range.

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)

I'd be happy if I were you because at least one of those 12 will definitely fall -- probably more than one. Anyway, there could be 4 available and Adams still might not pick them, so it's probably not worth worrying about to begin with.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Barlow

Yeah, 12 seems pretty arbitrary as far as tiers go.

 

[Matt Ress]

Yeah, 12 seems pretty arbitrary as far as tiers go.

I might even take Barlow over ASP and Wood and I love the name Matt Wood.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I might even take Barlow over ASP and Wood and I love the name Matt Wood.

I agree and it would be a much easier choice for me too. No hesitation to take Barlow over either of them at all

(though defer to almost anyone since I can barely even sit through a full non-tournament game of any of these prospects these days).

 

[Matt Ress]

I agree and it would be a much easier choice for me too. No hesitation to take Barlow over either of them at all

(though defer to almost anyone since I can barely even sit through a full non-tournament game of any of these prospects these days).

Well I'd agree and also with Cristall. That's a 25ish pick to me.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)

When I look at that Wheeler list my feeling is between 7 and 17 anything could happen.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

When I look at that Wheeler list my feeling is between 7 and 17 anything could happen.

Expect one of Leonard or Wood to be the Flyers pick.

 

[Ralonzo]

Graphs for everything!! But it does let you see who’s stock has fallen and who’s has risen.

That's not a graph, it's an axis.

 

[BritSabre]

I can't unread Sandy Pelican now, superb

 

[Ralonzo]

Haven't seen a ton of Barlow, but what I have seen my concerns are, another shooting winger, and the skating concerns. Leonard in the similar vein I've seen the skating and hands already. If you feel Barlow is clear BPA after it shakes out, sure, no issue, plus there's some sand there. If there's something close in evaluation to balance the pipeline I'd lean that way, I like Barlow but don't think his ceiling is as special as other guys in the top tiers, or rather I just haven't seen it yet.

 

[Chainshot]

Haven't seen a ton of Barlow, but what I have seen my concerns are, another shooting winger, and the skating concerns. Leonard in the similar vein I've seen the skating and hands already. If you feel Barlow is clear BPA after it shakes out, sure, no issue, plus there's some sand there. If there's something close in evaluation to balance the pipeline I'd lean that way, I like Barlow but don't think his ceiling is as special as other guys in the top tiers, or rather I just haven't seen it yet.

Leonard is the better physical player at this point.

 

[Ace]

Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

1	Connor Bedard	C	CAN	Regina	WHL	-
2	Adam Fantilli	C	CAN	U. of Michigan	NCAA	-
3	Matvei Michkov	RW/LW	RUS	Sochi	KHL	-
4	Leo Carlsson	C/LW	SWE	Örebro	SHL	-
5	Will Smith	C	USA	U18	NTDP	-
6	Zach Benson	LW	CAN	Winnipeg	WHL	-
7	Oliver Moore	C	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 2
8	Gabe Perreault	LW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 3
9	Dalibor Dvorsky	C/LW	SVK	AIK	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 1
10	Matthew Wood	RW	CAN	UConn	NCAA	Up 2
11	Ryan Leonard	RW	USA	U18	NTDP	Up 4
12	Eduard Sale	RW/LW	CZE	Brno	Czechia	Down 2
13	Andrew Cristall	LW	CAN	Kelowna	WHL	Down 6
14	Brayden Yager	C	CAN	Moose Jaw	WHL	Down 1
15	David Reinbacher	RHD	AUT	Kloten	NL	Up 2
16	Axel Sandin Pellikka	RHD	SWE	Skelleftea	SHL	Up 5
17	Colby Barlow	LW/RW	CAN	Owen Sound	OHL	Down 3
18	Quentin Musty	LW	USA	Sudbury	OHL	Up 2
19	Calum Ritchie	C	CAN	Oshawa	OHL	-
20	Nate Danielson	C	CAN	Brandon	WHL	Up 2
21	Riley Heidt	C	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 3
22	Mikhail Gulyayev	LHD	RUS	Omskie	MHL	Down 6
23	Bradly Nadeau	LW	CAN	Penticton	BCHL	Up 3
24	Gavin Brindley	C/RW	USA	Michigan	NCAA	Up 1
25	Samuel Honzek	LW	SVK	Vancouver	WHL	Up 2
26	Daniil But	LW/RW	RUS	Yaroslavl	MHL	Up 5
27	Jayden Perron	RW	CAN	Chicago	USHL	Up 1
28	Ethan Gauthier	RW	CAN	Sherbrooke	QMJHL	Down 4
29	Otto Stenberg	C/LW	SWE	Frolunda	J20	Up 2
30	Koehn Ziemmer	RW	CAN	Prince George	WHL	Down 7
31	Etienne Morin	LHD	CAN	Moncton	QMJHL	Up 3
32	Alex Ciernik	LW/RW	SVK	Södertälje	HockeyAllsvenskan	Down 2

Looks like a great year to trade the pick for defense

 

[Chainshot]

Looks like a great year to trade the pick for defense

I'm going to give you one warning in this thread - talk about the draft, draft picks, or profiles. Got it?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Leonard is the better physical player at this point.

Damn you for selling a player so well that we definitely aren’t getting!

 

[Chainshot]

Damn you for selling a player so well that we definitely aren’t getting!

There is still the possibility of some of the big centers going in that 6-11 range and pushing him down a bit. Wood should probably be in contention in that group. There's also someone like Honzek or even Danielson if a team is day dreaming about Bergeron comps.