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2023 NHL Draft June 28 and 29, Nashville, TN (Selections - 13, 39, 45, 86, 109, 141, 173, 205)

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Trending up to me from U18 viewings: Will Smith, Willander, Dvorsky, Hrabal, Hutson, Sandy Pelican, Danny Nelson, Stenberg, Cleveland, Augustine.

Leonard has shown the skill I'd hoped but he just gets buried so often playing his game at his size against peers, what happens at the next level?

Starting to think he won't translate in his current role: Perreault.

For the underagers obviously Celebrini, but Eiserman tries to be a one-man gang so often, like if Lysell could actually finish. But he's got enough size/speed to make it work at this level.

When he's fully grown, I have no doubt Leonard will be a difference maker. It feels like a bunch of players had statement series - Stenberg, Edstrom, the Swedes defense, Dvorsky, Urban, MacDonell - that should have them in good standing with their draft positioning. And there were certainly those who I wanted to see who "answered" questions I had about them like the Canadian defense, Cristall, Heidt or Sale in a way that wasn't nearly as good.
 
I will assent to your take on Minnetian as well. On the one hand there must be no way Willander makes it to 39 but the guy I saw out there the last few games might not be such a reach at 13. Trade down if you need to and you don't love anyone in that spot? A bunch of guys I wasn't thinking about as top-10 put themselves squarely into that mix, which pushes other guys who were top-10 down through no fault of their own (Sale notwithstanding). Will have to digest a few mocks to see what's a reasonable expectation there.
 
Draft order is set other than the lottery and who the final 4 are

32 boston
31 carolina
30 Vegas
29 colorado
28 New Jersey
27 Toronto
26 Edmonton
25 dallas
24 rangers
23 LA
22 Minnesota
21 Seattle
20 tampa
19 winnipeg
18 Islanders
17 Florida

the final four teams pull out of that order and they compress down 29-30 conf final losers, 31 cup loser, 32 cup winner

can move up if they get win the power balls
16 Calgary
15 Nashville
14 Pittsburgh
13 Buffalo
12 Ottawa

bedard possible winners are
11 vancouver
10 st louis
9 washington
8 detroit
7 phildelphia
6 arizona
5 montreal
4 San jose
3 chicago
2 columbus
1 anaheim

they two winners move up appropriately and everyone else will move back that they pass.

Philadelphia pick is at 39. Buffalo at 45.
Carolina
Vegas
28 Boston
25-27 Colorado
Devils
Toronto
Edmonton
Dallas
Rangers
23 LA (-2)
22 Minnesota (-2)
Seattle
20 Tampa (-1 )
19: Winnipeg (-1)
18 Isles (-1j
Florida

(-#) how much pick could move up.

be its Seattle-Dallas and Edmonton-Vegas, the Edmonton-Vegas loser will go down a spot in draft pick lication.
 
Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

1Connor BedardCCANReginaWHL-
2Adam FantilliCCANU. of MichiganNCAA-
3Matvei MichkovRW/LWRUSSochiKHL-
4Leo CarlssonC/LWSWEÖrebroSHL-
5Will SmithCUSAU18NTDP-
6Zach BensonLWCANWinnipegWHL-
7Oliver MooreCUSAU18NTDPUp 2
8Gabe PerreaultLWUSAU18NTDPUp 3
9Dalibor DvorskyC/LWSVKAIKHockeyAllsvenskanDown 1
10Matthew WoodRWCANUConnNCAAUp 2
11Ryan LeonardRWUSAU18NTDPUp 4
12Eduard SaleRW/LWCZEBrnoCzechiaDown 2
13Andrew CristallLWCANKelownaWHLDown 6
14Brayden YagerCCANMoose JawWHLDown 1
15David ReinbacherRHDAUTKlotenNLUp 2
16Axel Sandin PellikkaRHDSWESkellefteaSHLUp 5
17Colby BarlowLW/RWCANOwen SoundOHLDown 3
18Quentin MustyLWUSASudburyOHLUp 2
19Calum RitchieCCANOshawaOHL-
20Nate DanielsonCCANBrandonWHLUp 2
21Riley HeidtCCANPrince GeorgeWHLDown 3
22Mikhail GulyayevLHDRUSOmskieMHLDown 6
23Bradly NadeauLWCANPentictonBCHLUp 3
24Gavin BrindleyC/RWUSAMichiganNCAAUp 1
25Samuel HonzekLWSVKVancouverWHLUp 2
26Daniil ButLW/RWRUSYaroslavlMHLUp 5
27Jayden PerronRWCANChicagoUSHLUp 1
28Ethan GauthierRWCANSherbrookeQMJHLDown 4
29Otto StenbergC/LWSWEFrolundaJ20Up 2
30Koehn ZiemmerRWCANPrince GeorgeWHLDown 7
31Etienne MorinLHDCANMonctonQMJHLUp 3
32Alex CiernikLW/RWSVKSödertäljeHockeyAllsvenskanDown 2
 
Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Connor Bedard[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Regina[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Adam Fantilli[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]U. of Michigan[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Matvei Michkov[/TD]
[TD]RW/LW[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Leo Carlsson[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Örebro[/TD]
[TD]SHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Will Smith[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Zach Benson[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Oliver Moore[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Gabe Perreault[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Dalibor Dvorsky[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]AIK[/TD]
[TD]HockeyAllsvenskan[/TD]
[TD]Down 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Matthew Wood[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]UConn[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Ryan Leonard[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Eduard Sale[/TD]
[TD]RW/LW[/TD]
[TD]CZE[/TD]
[TD]Brno[/TD]
[TD]Czechia[/TD]
[TD]Down 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Andrew Cristall[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Kelowna[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Brayden Yager[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Moose Jaw[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]David Reinbacher[/TD]
[TD]RHD[/TD]
[TD]AUT[/TD]
[TD]Kloten[/TD]
[TD]NL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Axel Sandin Pellikka[/TD]
[TD]RHD[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Skelleftea[/TD]
[TD]SHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Colby Barlow[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Owen Sound[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Quentin Musty[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]Sudbury[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Calum Ritchie[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Oshawa[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Nate Danielson[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Brandon[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]Riley Heidt[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Prince George[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]Mikhail Gulyayev[/TD]
[TD]LHD[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Omskie[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]Bradly Nadeau[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Penticton[/TD]
[TD]BCHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]Gavin Brindley[/TD]
[TD]C/RW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]Michigan[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Up 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Samuel Honzek[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]Vancouver[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]Daniil But[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Yaroslavl[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]Jayden Perron[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]Ethan Gauthier[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Sherbrooke[/TD]
[TD]QMJHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]Otto Stenberg[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Frolunda[/TD]
[TD]J20[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]Koehn Ziemmer[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Prince George[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]Etienne Morin[/TD]
[TD]LHD[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Moncton[/TD]
[TD]QMJHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]Alex Ciernik[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]Södertälje[/TD]
[TD]HockeyAllsvenskan[/TD]
[TD]Down 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
His positions on D are interesting.
 
His positions on D are interesting.
His Cristall ranking and assessment is interesting too. I'd kill to know what each team thinks of him -- I'm guessing there's a humungous range.

Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)
I'd be happy if I were you because at least one of those 12 will definitely fall -- probably more than one. Anyway, there could be 4 available and Adams still might not pick them, so it's probably not worth worrying about to begin with.
 
I might even take Barlow over ASP and Wood and I love the name Matt Wood.
I agree and it would be a much easier choice for me too. No hesitation to take Barlow over either of them at all

(though defer to almost anyone since I can barely even sit through a full non-tournament game of any of these prospects these days).
 
Figures Sabres are drafting 13 when there's a tier of about 12 guys I'd be happy for them to draft in that slot (the top-7, Dvorsky, Wood, Leonard, Reinbacher, Pelican)
When I look at that Wheeler list my feeling is between 7 and 17 anything could happen.
 
Graphs for everything!! But it does let you see who’s stock has fallen and who’s has risen.

1682981147618.png


That's not a graph, it's an axis.
 
Haven't seen a ton of Barlow, but what I have seen my concerns are, another shooting winger, and the skating concerns. Leonard in the similar vein I've seen the skating and hands already. If you feel Barlow is clear BPA after it shakes out, sure, no issue, plus there's some sand there. If there's something close in evaluation to balance the pipeline I'd lean that way, I like Barlow but don't think his ceiling is as special as other guys in the top tiers, or rather I just haven't seen it yet.
 
Haven't seen a ton of Barlow, but what I have seen my concerns are, another shooting winger, and the skating concerns. Leonard in the similar vein I've seen the skating and hands already. If you feel Barlow is clear BPA after it shakes out, sure, no issue, plus there's some sand there. If there's something close in evaluation to balance the pipeline I'd lean that way, I like Barlow but don't think his ceiling is as special as other guys in the top tiers, or rather I just haven't seen it yet.

Leonard is the better physical player at this point.
 
Wheeeler's new ranking, if anyone's interested

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Connor Bedard[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Regina[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Adam Fantilli[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]U. of Michigan[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Matvei Michkov[/TD]
[TD]RW/LW[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Leo Carlsson[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Örebro[/TD]
[TD]SHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Will Smith[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Zach Benson[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Oliver Moore[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Gabe Perreault[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Dalibor Dvorsky[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]AIK[/TD]
[TD]HockeyAllsvenskan[/TD]
[TD]Down 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Matthew Wood[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]UConn[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Ryan Leonard[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]U18[/TD]
[TD]NTDP[/TD]
[TD]Up 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Eduard Sale[/TD]
[TD]RW/LW[/TD]
[TD]CZE[/TD]
[TD]Brno[/TD]
[TD]Czechia[/TD]
[TD]Down 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Andrew Cristall[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Kelowna[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Brayden Yager[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Moose Jaw[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]David Reinbacher[/TD]
[TD]RHD[/TD]
[TD]AUT[/TD]
[TD]Kloten[/TD]
[TD]NL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Axel Sandin Pellikka[/TD]
[TD]RHD[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Skelleftea[/TD]
[TD]SHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Colby Barlow[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Owen Sound[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Quentin Musty[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]Sudbury[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Calum Ritchie[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Oshawa[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Nate Danielson[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Brandon[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]Riley Heidt[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Prince George[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]Mikhail Gulyayev[/TD]
[TD]LHD[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Omskie[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]Bradly Nadeau[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Penticton[/TD]
[TD]BCHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]Gavin Brindley[/TD]
[TD]C/RW[/TD]
[TD]USA[/TD]
[TD]Michigan[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Up 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Samuel Honzek[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]Vancouver[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]Daniil But[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]RUS[/TD]
[TD]Yaroslavl[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]Jayden Perron[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]Ethan Gauthier[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Sherbrooke[/TD]
[TD]QMJHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]Otto Stenberg[/TD]
[TD]C/LW[/TD]
[TD]SWE[/TD]
[TD]Frolunda[/TD]
[TD]J20[/TD]
[TD]Up 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]Koehn Ziemmer[/TD]
[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Prince George[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Down 7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]Etienne Morin[/TD]
[TD]LHD[/TD]
[TD]CAN[/TD]
[TD]Moncton[/TD]
[TD]QMJHL[/TD]
[TD]Up 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]Alex Ciernik[/TD]
[TD]LW/RW[/TD]
[TD]SVK[/TD]
[TD]Södertälje[/TD]
[TD]HockeyAllsvenskan[/TD]
[TD]Down 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Looks like a great year to trade the pick for defense
 
Damn you for selling a player so well that we definitely aren’t getting!

There is still the possibility of some of the big centers going in that 6-11 range and pushing him down a bit. Wood should probably be in contention in that group. There's also someone like Honzek or even Danielson if a team is day dreaming about Bergeron comps.
 
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