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bernmeister said:
bern is busy, so just a brief blurb for today

1. Bosox have to be concerned about Bogarts this yr, Devers after next season, walking for nothing.
2. Don't remember the exact quote verbatim but few wks ago MLB broadcast Yanks at Fenway, someone said something to effect that Stanton is best slugger ever at Fenway, better than Ruth, Gehrig, etc.
Stanton is not cheap and is getting up there but barring injury certain to deliver 4-5 really good seasons, can always DH as he slows down.
certainty of Stanton half dozen-ish yrs >> stars walk for free

3. Yanks want to parlay this to advantage so no deal.
Hopefully Gallo goes in separate deal to MIL.
NY unloads Hicks + Chapman
Other than Bradley(Jr.) all boston OFs are slow. Hurts their def -> pitching. So they take Hicks and we can eat a mil or so per if nec.
Chapman unfortunately a head case.
Still has lightning in his arm, Boston will take and flip

4. deal!
Sox get Stanton, Hicks, Chapman
Yanks get Devers, Bogarts, Jeter Downs, Bobby Dalbec, next 2 Red Sox first round selections in MLB draft

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Yanks then flip Devers ++ to Nats for Soto
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I do love me a Bern proposal.Unfortunately the Sox and Yanks would never do a trade of this magnitude.
 
sbjnyc said:
The least significant problem with this scenario is that you can't trade draft picks in MLB.
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thanks and I forgot that
NY will take equivalent

mrmovies779 said:
I do love me a Bern proposal.Unfortunately the Sox and Yanks would never do a trade of this magnitude.
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that's reasonable but as I noted at the top, Sox hands are tied a bit by contract status.
They don't HAVE TO do this deal, but they are gonna deal Devers + Bogarts or risk them walking. Do you agree on that and if yes, does that not override the otherwise factually correct pt you made?
 
bernmeister said:
thanks and I forgot that
NY will take equivalent


that's reasonable but as I noted at the top, Sox hands are tied a bit by contract status.
They don't HAVE TO do this deal, but they are gonna deal Devers + Bogarts or risk them walking. Do you agree on that and if yes, does that not override the otherwise factually correct pt you made?
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If they were to move both it would make sense to trade both separately and maximize their returns.
 
Stanton isn't anything special in Fenway with 7 homers in 100 ABs so I don't know where you got that idea. Certainly not the basis for a trade and why would the red sox want those contracts? Plus you can't handwave a trade for soto.
 
bernmeister said:
bern is busy, so just a brief blurb for today

1. Bosox have to be concerned about Bogarts this yr, Devers after next season, walking for nothing.
2. Don't remember the exact quote verbatim but few wks ago MLB broadcast Yanks at Fenway, someone said something to effect that Stanton is best slugger ever at Fenway, better than Ruth, Gehrig, etc.
Stanton is not cheap and is getting up there but barring injury certain to deliver 4-5 really good seasons, can always DH as he slows down.
certainty of Stanton half dozen-ish yrs >> stars walk for free

3. Yanks want to parlay this to advantage so no deal.
Hopefully Gallo goes in separate deal to MIL.
NY unloads Hicks + Chapman
Other than Bradley(Jr.) all boston OFs are slow. Hurts their def -> pitching. So they take Hicks and we can eat a mil or so per if nec.
Chapman unfortunately a head case.
Still has lightning in his arm, Boston will take and flip

4. deal!
Sox get Stanton, Hicks, Chapman
Yanks get Devers, Bogarts, Jeter Downs, Bobby Dalbec, next 2 Red Sox first round selections in MLB draft

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Yanks then flip Devers ++ to Nats for Soto
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This post has a cocaine vibe to it
 
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Ohtani is too big of a deal to be made this quickly. He'll get moved in the winter. Soto has been available longer and could get moved now, but I see it also being a winter move.
 
mrmovies779 said:
If they were to move both it would make sense to trade both separately and maximize their returns.
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Devers getting flipped is the main piece, not Bogarts who NY would not keep going forward. Howev, w/Bogie out of the equation, Sox need to seriously add, and not seeing what that is that NY would want, UNLESS, Bogarts is first flipped elsewhere and part of that return then goes to Yanks w/Devers for Stanton

Kocur26 said:
This post has a cocaine vibe to it
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Not everything that is outside the box is connected to sneeze cheese.
Even if authored by a child of the 60s.

Will you try to change things
with the power that you have
the power of a million new ideas?

Bobby Lamm, Chicago, from Dialogue
 
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Ohtani isn't really a fit for the Yankees unless they were planning on using him in the OF when he isn't pitching. They've used the DH as a revolving door of rest - Can't do that if Ohtani is there all the time.

Don't know why their focus would be there vs Soto. I can't imagine the asking price is all that different.
 
sbjnyc said:
Stanton isn't anything special in Fenway with 7 homers in 100 ABs so I don't know where you got that idea. Certainly not the basis for a trade and why would the red sox want those contracts? Plus you can't handwave a trade for soto.
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Sorry I don't recall exactly what the stat was, but saying he was best all time, better than the likes of Gehrig, THAT caught my attention.

As to Sox and the contracts, Stanton they want, Hicks they need short term, and Chapman is short term they are prob selling high and flipping anyway.

As to "handwave", don't understand, it's separate, And either Devers ++ is best offer for Soto or not.
 
bernmeister said:
Sorry I don't recall exactly what the stat was, but saying he was best all time, better than the likes of Gehrig, THAT caught my attention.

As to Sox and the contracts, Stanton they want, Hicks they need short term, and Chapman is short term they are prob selling high and flipping anyway.

As to "handwave", don't understand, it's separate, And either Devers ++ is best offer for Soto or not.
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While Stanton has decent stats at Fenway, with 100 ABs whoever called him the best of all time sounds like they were suffering from a massive hallucination.

Sox are in last place - they are sellers, not buyers. They don't need any of those guys. And Devers isn't a free agent so why are they trading him?

Washington doesn't want any contracts unless they are high end, cost controlled prospects at the beginning of their career (they are selling the team). In fact whoever gets Soto is likely getting stuck with Corbin and/or possibly Strasberg. So for your top 3-4 prospects, you can land Soto for 2 years, the NL's worst pitcher in Corbin who you'll owe $70 million over the next 2.5 years and the privilege of signing Soto to a $450+ million deal.
 
bleeding blue said:
ok well I dont agree, but assuming you are right...I really dont think thats the best offer they would get for all you are asking for
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Fair enuf, but again, assumes Sox are pressed due to contract status.

Stanton under multi yr contract > Devers can walk ufa after next season
Bogarts half a season can walk this yr rental = Chapman + small add
Hicks partially retained for 2 green prospects.
Yes, they have good upside, but not top rated like NYY Volpe, for example
 
bernmeister said:
Fair enuf, but again, assumes Sox are pressed due to contract status.

Stanton under multi yr contract > Devers can walk ufa after next season
Bogarts half a season can walk this yr rental = Chapman + small add
Hicks partially retained for 2 green prospects.
Yes, they have good upside, but not top rated like NYY Volpe, for example
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lol at thinking chapman has any value at all, let alone enough to get boston to trade us boegarts
 


I get that Hader has been ass in July (I have NO doubt that he'll straighten himself out), but what the hell are the Brewers doing? They're in first place!
 
sbjnyc said:
While Stanton has decent stats at Fenway, with 100 ABs whoever called him the best of all time sounds like they were suffering from a massive hallucination.

Sox are in last place - they are sellers, not buyers. They don't need any of those guys. And Devers isn't a free agent so why are they trading him?

Washington doesn't want any contracts unless they are high end, cost controlled prospects at the beginning of their career (they are selling the team). In fact whoever gets Soto is likely getting stuck with Corbin and/or possibly Strasberg. So for your top 3-4 prospects, you can land Soto for 2 years, the NL's worst pitcher in Corbin who you'll owe $70 million over the next 2.5 years and the privilege of signing Soto to a $450+ million deal.
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"While Stanton has decent stats at Fenway, with 100 ABs whoever called him the best of all time sounds like they were suffering from a massive hallucination."
Again, they threw out some crazy high # for something.
Didn't sound like it was without some basis in fact.

"Sox are in last place - they are sellers, not buyers. They don't need any of those guys. And Devers isn't a free agent so why are they trading him?"
Devers is a free agent after next yr.
Getting Stanton now for Devers is a win next 4-ish yrs/+.

Disagree they could not use Hicks. Their OF sucks ass and needs speed, Bradley not withstanding.

They could make a commitment to either/both Devers/Bogarts, but have not.
What does that tell you?

"Washington doesn't want any contracts unless they are high end, cost controlled prospects at the beginning of their career (they are selling the team). In fact whoever gets Soto is likely getting stuck with Corbin and/or possibly Strasberg. So for your top 3-4 prospects, you can land Soto for 2 years, the NL's worst pitcher in Corbin who you'll owe $70 million over the next 2.5 years and the privilege of signing Soto to a $450+ million deal."
I didn't develop the follow thru of say that I had.
I only said that Devers is a signif get for Nats (esp w/a year to sign long term and all of next yr as a backup plan is to jettson as a rental),
Nats asking a good player, player(s) + prospects [+ likely as you said ditching Corbin $$$].

Devers is a signif enuf add reduces some of what else goes other way to DC

dat's all I'm sayin
 
Boston not wanting to sign their 25 and 29 year old star players doesn’t mean they want 32 year old Stanton, whose contract is going to age like spoiled milk, rental Chapman, who has been awful and injured, and Aaron Hicks, who is always hurt, and not good.
 
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I get that Hader has been ass in July (I have NO doubt that he'll straighten himself out), but what the hell are the Brewers doing? They're in first place!
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Ken Rosenthal had a blurb on this last night with a few reasons why:

theathletic.com

Rosenthal: What I’m hearing ahead of the MLB trade deadline

Padres vs. Dodgers for Juan Soto? Mets completing a deal with the Red Sox? Ken Rosenthal has all the latest.
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Brewers’ Hader: Truly available or not?​

The Brewers are again listening to overtures for closer Josh Hader. The conversations might be little more than due diligence. But as the Brewers head toward their fifth straight postseason appearance, their motivation to trade Hader might be increasing.

Three reasons:

• Hader’s $11 million salary likely will increase to the $16 million range next season in his final year of arbitration before becoming a free agent.

• His preference to limit his appearances to one inning restricts his value to the club, and would be of particular concern in the postseason.

• Devin Williams, who has produced 30 straight scoreless appearances, striking out 47 in 28 2/3 innings, could replace Hader as the Brewers’ closer.

Hader, 28, has allowed just one run in his last four appearances, recovering from a difficult six-game stretch that increased his ERA from 1.05 to 4.50. Trading him only would make sense if the Brewers could acquire a hitter they desire, or young players who could help them address various needs.
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