I'm one of those people who stands behind the team and their moves more often than not, but I swear to f***ing god if the Mets trade Pete Alonso I will quit.
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RangerBlues
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mrmovies779
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Yanks got robbed..how that play at the plate gets overturned is comical.I guess Laz Diaz and Angel Hernandez handle booth reviews now too
Machinehead
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What sticks out to me today is Volpe tying for the team lead in RBI's. I know RBI's don't really matter but you can easily extrapolate it. Man, does that say a lot.
Five runs today and yes, they got boned (still waiting to hear what the umps saw!), but this losing streak and bad season were built on scoring one or two runs.
The Yankees are 23rd in runs scored and 22nd in OPS. They're firmly among the non-playoff teams in terms of offense.
Five runs today and yes, they got boned (still waiting to hear what the umps saw!), but this losing streak and bad season were built on scoring one or two runs.
The Yankees are 23rd in runs scored and 22nd in OPS. They're firmly among the non-playoff teams in terms of offense.
They "matter" but not as an objective way to evaluate a guy's value. If you take a league average hitter and drop him in the 4 hole, he'll pick up 70 or more RBIs if he has a decent team around him because he'll have a lot of opportunity. If you bat him lead off of or hit him eighth, he could post the same slash line but have way fewer RBIs.
Brandon Nimmo, who hits lead off, has had a better OPS these past two year than Francisco Lindor, the three hitter. And yet Lindor will have like 200 RBI over that span whereas Nimmo might have 130.
RBIs matter but only when considered in context. Lots more ways to better assess a player than his RBI total. It's the whole "wins for a pitcher" thing.
I agree with that to some degree. Nimmo leading off generally has the better part of the lineup after him while Alonso has the worst part. Yet despite a terrible 225 batting average he still has the best OPS and most RBIs on the team.
While Nimmo and Lindor have the same number of PA and Lindor having more RBIs, why does Nimmo score fewer runs than Lindor? To me the problem is the lineup construction. Nimmo should be batting 2 3 or 5 but not leadoff IMO. Even Canha stole more bases than him.
While Nimmo and Lindor have the same number of PA and Lindor having more RBIs, why does Nimmo score fewer runs than Lindor? To me the problem is the lineup construction. Nimmo should be batting 2 3 or 5 but not leadoff IMO. Even Canha stole more bases than him.
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Machinehead
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They don't measure what the batter is doing, they measure how many guys are on base for him. The only way to guarantee an RBI is a homer.
You could make the argument about situational hitting but other stats do that better now,
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will1066
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Thought about this. Is Nimmo getting doubled up a lot? Is Lindor hitting DP balls but beating out throws to first? Or is Nimmo getting caught stealing? Or maybe just getting on base less than Lindor?
Machinehead
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There's no mystery as to why Lindor scores more than Nimmo.
When Nimmo gets on, Lindor who is slugging .463 immediately comes to bat.
When Lindor gets on, Pete Alonso who is slugging .536 immediately comes to bat.
Over a large sample, that makes a huge difference.
MLB hitters are out like 65-70% of the time. The guy right before Alonso is way more likely to be on base when Alonso bats than the guy two spots before him.
When Nimmo gets on, Lindor who is slugging .463 immediately comes to bat.
When Lindor gets on, Pete Alonso who is slugging .536 immediately comes to bat.
Over a large sample, that makes a huge difference.
MLB hitters are out like 65-70% of the time. The guy right before Alonso is way more likely to be on base when Alonso bats than the guy two spots before him.
Same thing is true for runs scored.
I'm not sure if there is a good measure for this but Nimmo gets thrown out a lot going for extra bases. I don't know if its the coaches or his decision making or what but that could easily be the 10 runs. Lindor also steals a lot more bases so is in a better position to score runs than Nimmo.
Lindor is 21 for 23 stealing bases while Nimmo is 3 for 6. Good baserunning also makes a big difference in scoring runs over the long run.
nimmo scored over a 100 runs last year. he won't this year because both marte and mcneil aren't producing like they were least season.
Yes this is kind of what I was getting at. For RBIs you need someone on base to drive in while for runs you need someone to drive you in when you're on base. They're both equally useless and useful stats.
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I’d be more interested in RBIs as a percentage of opportunity. I’ve always found batting average with runners in scoring position more useful than RBIs. Though who is on deck impacts your batting average. Hard to control for all factors even in a sport with so many “isolated events” like baseball.
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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Oh Dominguez to Scranton too
Thank ****
LaffyTaffyNYR
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What did they do with the Yankees decision makers?
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Lindor hits more home runs, gets more extra base hits, steals more bases, goes 1st to 3rd more on base hits.
I think a big part of it is he simply gets into scoring positions more frequently.
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the question is never mind getting canned after the season is over, but does boone survive before the end of august?
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It reminds me a lot more of the recent NY Giants dark ages. A franchise that actually had some sustained success that led to them loving the smell of their own farts way too much. Unable to acknowledge that the period is over and refusing to make any necessary changes.
The worst part is acceptance is just STEP ONE. And we don't even seem to be there yet.
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