OT: 2023 MLB Thread

[GoAwayPanarin]

This 2022 team had 7 everyday batters strike out over 100 times.
Judge 175K - this is absurd
Donaldson 138K -
Stanton 137K -
Torres 129K -
Hicks 109K -
Rizzo 101K -
Gallo 106K

IKF is the anomaly, it's why'd I keep him at 3B or as a backup.

The 2009 team had 3 everyday batters
Swisher 126Ks -
Posada 102Ks -
Texeira 114Ks

I can't see what's wrong....

I'm telling you... going basic bitch, contact+ hitters is the way. You'd have Judge and Stanton for power... but they need to change their approach. This many unproductive outs is ridiculous. Maybe having people on base would help but still... there needs to be adjustments

I hate... and I mean HATE this argument so much.

Guys throw harder today than they did even 13 years ago. Everyone's bullpens has guys throwing high 90's into the triple digits and pairing them with some kind of crack head secondary pitch (or crackhead primary, the Guardians' closer throws a f***ing 102 mph cutter.) Focus on launch angle has some impact, but not nearly as much as the fact that every team has a least a half dozen guys who would have been accused of casting incantations before every pitch 15 years ago.

Good teams have guys with swing and miss - The Dodgers had 6 guys with 100+ k's, Atlanta had 8(!). Phillies are in the WS with 5 (and would have had 7 if they had a few every day guys qualify with enough ABs.)

The bigger issue is that Donaldson, Gallo and Hicks are/were terrible. Would you take Austin Reilly, Bryce Harper and Mookie Betts on this team? They all k'd over 100 times or would have had they stayed healthy enough to do so.

 

[duhmetreE]

I hate... and I mean HATE this argument so much.

Guys throw harder today than they did even 13 years ago. Everyone's bullpens has guys throwing high 90's into the triple digits and pairing them with some kind of crack head secondary pitch (or crackhead primary, the Guardians' closer throws a f***ing 102 mph cutter.) Focus on launch angle has some impact, but not nearly as much as the fact that every team has a least a half dozen guys who would have been accused of casting incantations before every pitch 15 years ago.

Good teams have guys with swing and miss - The Dodgers had 6 guys with 100+ k's, Atlanta had 8(!). Phillies are in the WS with 5 (and would have had 7 if they had a few every day guys qualify with enough ABs.)

The bigger issue is that Donaldson, Gallo and Hicks are/were terrible. Would you take Austin Reilly, Bryce Harper and Mookie Betts on this team? They all k'd over 100 times or would have had they stayed healthy enough to do so.

how many Houston Astros struck out over 100 times? Who are we trying to emulate? I thought it would be the team that's winning consistently.

They are terrible. Why does Cashman like them? Because they haved walked and hit HRs in the past. They fit his mold and delusion that they will hit their career highs again.

edit- Braves had 4 when they won in 2021. I dont really look at covid seasons

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

how many Houston Astros struck out over 100 times?

I think its 5.

They also cheat their asses off, so theres that too (though these days, slanted more towards their arms than anything else but I have no doubt they've found a way to game the system illegally again.)

Also Braves had 6 last year - Duvall and Soler were mid season acquisitions who both K'ds into like the mid 150's last year. You can't ignore what they did before they got to Atlanta.

I think Cashman is ass, but the "OMGZ LOOK AT THE STRIKEOUTS" argument is tired and dumb. It should be "look at the terrible players hes acquiring" - that I agree with.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think its 5.

They also cheat their asses off, so theres that too (though these days, slanted more towards their arms than anything else but I have no doubt they've found a way to game the system illegally again.)

4. and most of them are in the low 100's....

There's a reason they win. Great pitching, trash cans and situational hitting. This isn't some secret.

Braves also had 4.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

4. and most of them are in the low 100's....

There's a reason they win. Great pitching, trash cans and situational hitting. This isn't some secret.

Braves also had 4.

Plus Mancini

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Yankee organization appears to be blaming fans for their failures….

It Seems The Yankees Organization Is Attempting To Pin Their Failures On The Fans Instead Of The Team's Poor Decisions And Play On The Field

It Seems The Yankees Organization Is Attempting To Pin Their Failures On The Fans Instead Of The Team's Poor Decisions And Play On The Field

Mary DeCicco. Getty Images.SNYAn article was published on SNY's website today by Andy Martino which basically attacks Yankee fans and pins them as a major part of the problem with the team's failure....

bars.tl

f*** right off lol.

Strawman loser mentality.

 

[RangerBlues]

This 2022 team had 7 everyday batters strike out over 100 times.
Judge 175K - this is absurd
Donaldson 138K -
Stanton 137K -
Torres 129K -
Hicks 109K -
Rizzo 101K -
Gallo 106K

IKF is the anomaly, it's why'd I keep him at 3B or as a backup.

The 2009 team had 3 everyday batters
Swisher 126Ks -
Posada 102Ks -
Texeira 114Ks

I can't see what's wrong....

I'm telling you... going basic bitch, contact+ hitters is the way. You'd have Judge and Stanton for power... but they need to change their approach. This many unproductive outs is ridiculous. Maybe having people on base would help but still... there needs to be adjustments

The anal-ltcal department should all be fired.

 

[RangerBlues]

This whole hitting style of the yankees has been figured out. It may work throughout the season on most meatball staffs. But they keep failing in the playoffs.

Lets be real. They were one single away from the CG beating them. And thats far from a dominating pitching staff.

 

[duhmetreE]

The bigger issue is that Donaldson, Gallo and Hicks are/were terrible. Would you take Austin Reilly, Bryce Harper and Mookie Betts on this team? They all k'd over 100 times or would have had they stayed healthy enough to do so.

Not without a major revamp. If Judge and Stanton are going to be here... maaaaybe one more? It's not really needed IMO I would have taken Freeman and possibly Machado

I'd rather put all that money into SP and RP. I posted my lineup, what'd it look like.

The entire philosophy, coaching and management needs a major overhaul. HR's OBP and K's is not how you win.

 

[KennyWu]

This 2022 team had 7 everyday batters strike out over 100 times.
Judge 175K - this is absurd
Donaldson 138K -
Stanton 137K -
Torres 129K -
Hicks 109K -
Rizzo 101K -
Gallo 106K

IKF is the anomaly, it's why'd I keep him at 3B or as a backup.

The 2009 team had 3 everyday batters
Swisher 126Ks -
Posada 102Ks -
Texeira 114Ks

I can't see what's wrong....

I'm telling you... going basic bitch, contact+ hitters is the way. You'd have Judge and Stanton for power... but they need to change their approach. This many unproductive outs is ridiculous. Maybe having people on base would help but still... there needs to be adjustments

Strikeouts are up across baseball. Yankees were middle of the pack in that area this year. In 2022 the team with the most Ks had over 1500, in 2009 it was under 1300.

I dont disagree with your overall point, but the game has changed since then

 

[duhmetreE]

Strikeouts are up across baseball. Yankees were middle of the pack in that area this year. In 2022 the team with the most Ks had over 1500, in 2009 it was under 1300.

I dont disagree with your overall point, but the game has changed since then

That's why Houston is winning.

That's why Atlanta won last year.

If we're building a team for regular season, keep doing what we're doing. It's also coaching.

Do we want to be like winning teams? Or everybody else? I honestly do not get the argument. Strikeouts are up so it's OK to strike out 17 times in one game. It's OK because everyone else is doing it.

The game has changed... for the worse. That's why fundamentally sound teams win. I'm not asking for something radical... I'm asking for a fundamentally sound team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's why Houston is winning.

That's why Atlanta won last year.

If we're building a team for regular season, keep doing what we're doing. It's also coaching.

Do we want to be like winning teams? Or everybody else? I honestly do not get the argument. Strikeouts are up so it's OK to strike out 17 times in one game. It's OK because everyone else is doing it.

The game has changed... for the worse. That's why fundamentally sound teams win. I'm not asking for something radical... I'm asking for a fundamentally sound team.

Atlanta was 11th in the majors in strikeouts last year.

This years Yankees were 13th.

They weren’t the contact machines you think they were.

 

[sbjnyc]

 

[Machinehead]

The Yankees have no right to complain but the Astros really do get hits on popups f***ing constantly lol

 

[LeetchisGod]

The Yankees have no right to complain but the Astros really do get hits on popups f***ing constantly lol

Easier to get lucky when you constantly make contact.

 

[Machinehead]

Mediocre

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

The Astros are going to lose to another NL East team aren’t they. Mets or Marlins next?

 

[Irishguy42]

The world is a better place when the Astros lose a game.

The Phillies are Amercia's Team

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

The world is a better place when the Astros lose a game.

The Phillies are Amercia's Team

Let’s not get crazy. No filthadelphia team is ever Americas team.

 

[Machinehead]

This is how many articles now saying the same thing? Four? Five?

If Aaron Judge leaves Yankees, it won’t be just because of money | Klapisch

There's no doubt in my mind that the New York Excusees are driving this narrative. They're going to let their best player walk and then tell the fans "you drove him away with your boos."

I wouldn't piss on this team if they were on fire.

 

[Kane One]

The world is a better place when the Astros lose a game.

The Phillies are Amercia's Team

I would normally agree, but I’m in a bracket pool and I’d win if the Astros win in 7, and it comes down to a tiebreaker if the Astros win in any other number or games.

Even as a Mets fan, I have nothing against this current Phillies team. But first place in my pool gets like $300 so f*** ‘em.

 

[romba]

This is how many articles now saying the same thing? Four? Five?

If Aaron Judge leaves Yankees, it won’t be just because of money | Klapisch

There's no doubt in my mind that the New York Excusees are driving this narrative. They're going to let their best player walk and then tell the fans "you drove him away with your boos."

I wouldn't piss on this team if they were on fire.

Yes, we low balled him last off season and then made the offer public to get the fans on our side and upset Judge, yes we were 25-50 mil off the current best offer, yes Judge always came back to us to see if we wanted to match (we did not, but if he really wanted to stay he would have taken our offer without matching!) but trust us it was the boos that sent him packing

 

[sbjnyc]

This is how many articles now saying the same thing? Four? Five?

If Aaron Judge leaves Yankees, it won’t be just because of money | Klapisch

There's no doubt in my mind that the New York Excusees are driving this narrative. They're going to let their best player walk and then tell the fans "you drove him away with your boos."

I wouldn't piss on this team if they were on fire.

Players are human beings, not robots. The yankees used to pay a premium to players for having to deal with the high expectations of yankee fans (the challenge of playing in NY). Think how much they had to overpay for CC. Jeter also extracted every last dollar from the yankees he could just like Judge will except this time its Hal not George making the call. Why should should players ignore getting trashed by the fans because they only reached the ALCS when they can go anywhere else for the same or more money? The Yankees used to be the only team offering big contracts. Baseball has changed - it just isn't true anymore so what case can you make for Judge playing in NY for less? Do you really think the privilege of playing in NY has a cash value?

 

[Machinehead]

Players are human beings, not robots. The yankees used to pay a premium to players for having to deal with the high expectations of yankee fans (the challenge of playing in NY). Think how much they had to overpay for CC. Jeter also extracted every last dollar from the yankees he could just like Judge will except this time its Hal not George making the call. Why should should players ignore getting trashed by the fans because they only reached the ALCS when they can go anywhere else for the same or more money? The Yankees used to be the only team offering big contracts. Baseball has changed - it just isn't true anymore so what case can you make for Judge playing in NY for less? Do you really think the privilege of playing in NY has a cash value?

Every Yankees fan has been saying pay him what he wants and then some.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't care about strikeouts over large samples and I think it's fine to swing for homers in a number of situations.

It's about can you adapt in the 8th inning of a tied game with second and third? Can you adapt to good pitching and put together an approach over the course of 7 games?

The Yankees hit under .200 as a team in the postseason. Teams are gameplanning for a series, the Yankees have exactly one approach, and if it doesn't work, it's because the roof was open and the fans booed.

When the Astros are up against a patient team, they'll backyard softball underhand the ball over the plate to get ahead 0-1. Clobber a couple of those pitches and they have to change their plan. After SIX f***ING YEARS, the Yankees still don't know that's coming. Only Bader did it.

That's not really about strikeouts, it's about arrogance.