OT: 2023 MLB Thread

[Machinehead]

- Refuses to deal prospects (even B level ones) for cost controlled names
- Refuses to give prospects that he hoards an opportunity to play.

These are the two that get me right here. They're mutually f***ing exclusive, Brian.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I think Boone is toast and thats a good thing.

Cashman's got a lifetime contract. Hes the bigger issue.

- Refuses to go after bigger names (if you think ownership has everything to do with this, fine.)
- Refuses to deal prospects (even B level ones) for cost controlled names
- Refuses to give prospects that he hoards an opportunity to play.

Watch Ohtani slip through their fingers too only to see him go across town.

If Judge leaves, anything short of trading for Ohtani makes the offseason an abject failure. No sacred cows for him.

 

[Machinehead]

Watch Ohtani slip through their fingers too only to see him go across town.

If Judge leaves, anything short of trading for Ohtani makes the offseason an abject failure. No sacred cows for him.

If George came back for this winter, both Judge and Ohtani would be Yankees, by any means necessary.

 

[duhmetreE]

Wont pay Judge or other certified superstars. Will pay a washed up has-been because he plays solid defense at 3rd because he had a .350obp.

Cashman is a bum

LET PERAZA AND EVENTUALLY VOLPE PLAY.

It's amazing how the best team in baseball has no issue playing their young talent... instead of going the washed up and overpriced route.

 

[ElLeetch]

The guy Cashman thought we didn't need just hit a shot in the bottom of the 8th under pressure to send his team to the WS.

 

[sbjnyc]

Does that matter?

If George came back for this winter, both Judge and Ohtani would be Yankees, by any means necessary.

But that's exactly my point. The Mets hired and fired GMs but it was only until they got a new owner that they improved. I can't say if Cashman under George would be any better. People were saying how great Cashman was when he brought in top prospects like Gleyber to repalce the aging core. But isn't signing Otani or Judge without Hal's approval and Hal just has not wanted to write that big check. He might have to with Judge now but it may be too late.

 

[will1066]

Both the Bronx and Queens can wallow in misery after so much promise of a Subway Series, and I don't give two ducks about it.

 

[Machinehead]

But that's exactly my point. The Mets hired and fired GMs but it was only until they got a new owner that they improved. I can't say if Cashman under George would be any better. People were saying how great Cashman was when he brought in top prospects like Gleyber to repalce the aging core. But isn't signing Otani or Judge without Hal's approval and Hal just has not wanted to write that big check. He might have to with Judge now but it may be too late.

It's both of them.

Hal wants to run on a Tampa Bay Rays budget and Cashman thinks he invented baseball.

While it's obviously the owners who hamstring the budget, there are plenty of savvy moves to be made. Houston let Springer and Correa go and got better.

"The prospects are too good to trade for anything but not good enough to play" is 100% on Cashman.

 

[sbjnyc]

It's both of them.

Hal wants to run on a Tampa Bay Rays budget and Cashman thinks he invented baseball.

While it's obviously the owners who hamstring the budget, there are plenty of savvy moves to be made. Houston let Springer and Correa go and got better.

"The prospects are too good to trade for anything but not good enough to play" is 100% on Cashman.

Don't forget that the Astros tanked for years to stockpile their farm system with top draft picks. Can't do that when winning 90+ games every year. The Mets squandered most of their farm talent with idiotic GMs like Brodie. You say Cashman thinks he invented baseball but he's abner doubleday compared to l'il abner van wagonen.

 

[Machinehead]

Don't forget that the Astros tanked for years to stockpile their farm system with top draft picks. Can't do that when winning 90+ games every year. The Mets squandered most of their farm talent with idiotic GMs like Brodie. You say Cashman thinks he invented baseball but he's abner doubleday compared to l'il abner van wagonen.

Why is every comment Yankees fans make met with "yeah but the Mets ran over my cat" ???

We didn't ask.

 

[duhmetreE]

We know what's important....

 

[JCProdigy]

I stopped watching the Yankees regularly after 2018. I’ve hardly watched a live game after 2019. I watched none of these playoffs live. Would sometimes watch the replays for wins on MLB.tv because I like David Cone and Paul O’Neill. The Yanks have killed my fandom. I stopped because the definition of insanity…

On Cashman: I’m patient. I’m not reactionary. I don’t expect perfection nor do I expect a “named all-star” at every position. He makes decisions where, at the time, you can make sound reasonings for them. BUT there comes a point where results matter. Over his past 20 year tenure:

Author of 1 WS (while he’s org’s chief rival has won 4). Author of the only team in MLB history to lose a series up 3 games to none. Author of the Yankees worst playoff game loss in franchise history (2019 ALDS game 3). Consistently losing to teams in the playoffs with much lower expenditures. In summation as a fan: Cashman and the Yanks, doing less with more since 2001.

 

[JCProdigy]

We know what's important....

I know the initial reaction of a fan to that chart may be "ERMAGERD!!! tha Yanks are cheapos! Spend more, get more!!!!" but I'd rather look at this: The Yanks have outspent all other franchises in payroll the past 20 years and they are still consistently in the top three for the past 7 years. What has that gotten them? If they need to spend +$350 mil on payroll to be competitive for a WS, that doesn't tell me that the Yankees are cheap. That tells me that management is comparatively awful at their jobs and they need the extra money to cover mistakes.

 

[Machinehead]

I stopped watching the Yankees regularly after 2018. I’ve hardly watched a live game after 2019. I watched none of these playoffs live. Would sometimes watch the replays for wins on MLB.tv because I like David Cone and Paul O’Neill. The Yanks have killed my fandom. I stopped because the definition of insanity…

On Cashman: I’m patient. I’m not reactionary. I don’t expect perfection nor do I expect a “named all-star” at every position. He makes decisions where, at the time, you can make sound reasonings for them. BUT there comes a point where results matter. Over his past 20 year tenure:

Author of 1 WS (while he’s org’s chief rival has won 4). Author of the only team in MLB history to lose a series up 3 games to none. Author of the Yankees worst playoff game loss in franchise history (2019 ALDS game 3). Consistently losing to teams in the playoffs with much lower expenditures. In summation as a fan: Cashman and the Yanks, doing less with more since 2001.

This guy gets it.

People say "well you made it and make it every year."

We got swept, I absolutely knew we were getting swept, and with absolutely no expectations I was somehow still disappointed. It's not as fun as I guess people think it is.

And sure, everyone takes a bite of the shit sandwich. I've been swept before. It's more so that every time the Astros or the Red Sox absolutely daddy us, it's always "oh the wind, oh the injuries, oh the trash cans." Nothing but excuses and no efforts to address real issues with the team.

Every team has issues. You're never perfect. But you work to fix them. The Yankees let them go from a pimple to a tumor and then blame something else for several years on end.

The Rangers have one Cup since Homo Erectus and you don't hear serious, regular posters saying "I haven't/don't want to support this team anymore." It's more than just not winning a championship. It's the arrogance. It's the "we'll fall short and you'll still come" attitude. Maybe one of these days I f***ing won't.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know the initial reaction of a fan to that chart may be "ERMAGERD!!! tha Yanks are cheapos! Spend more, get more!!!!" but I'd rather look at this: The Yanks have outspent all other franchises in payroll the past 20 years and they are still consistently in the top three for the past 7 years. What has that gotten them? If they need to spend +$350 mil on payroll to be competitive for a WS, that doesn't tell me that the Yankees are cheap. That tells me that management is comparatively awful at their jobs and they need the extra money to cover mistakes.

Management is awful.

Levine and Cashman.... how long has it been? How many players have they developed, outside of Judge?

From the top down, management needs to be gutted. A complete overhaul.

but what are they judged by? Profits/Loss or Winning Championships?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

To me the biggest indictment of the Yankees isn’t that they’re not spending enough, it’s that they make poor choices when they do spend

 

[JCProdigy]

Management is awful.

Levine and Cashman.... how long has it been? How many players have they developed, outside of Judge?

From the top down, management needs to be gutted. A complete overhaul.

but what are they judged by? Profits/Loss or Winning Championships?

Their team building has been flawed and it’s not the reliance on data but rather the analysis of that data and actions enacted from that analysis. People talk about their unwillingness to trade prospects for the big player or when they do so, they target the wrong player, but I take it a step further: How many Yankee draftees or int’ signings have ended up as league avg players or better in the last 20 years? For the Yanks or another org. You really don’t have many. Their drafting/scouting has been pretty bad for a long time. Look at players like Rutherford, Kaprelian, Sheffield, Banuelos, Garcia, Abreu, even Sanchez. All ttop yankee prospects.

And sure, everyone takes a bite of the shit sandwich. I've been swept before. It's more so that every time the Astros or the Red Sox absolutely daddy us, it's always "oh the wind, oh the injuries, oh the trash cans." Nothing but excuses and no efforts to address real issues with the team.

The post-season absolutely is more of a toss up because of short series etc. Luck (really chance) definitely plays a factor into winning the WS but luck/chance isn't the reason a team wins the WS. Cashman/Yanks saying it's all a crap shoot is hilarious because he's shitting on his own legacy. He's saying the Yanks being one out away from 5 WS in 6 years was all due to luck. A crap shoot. They didn't put themselves in a position to have the best probability of winning those years...it was all just chance that they did.

These excuses? Maybe we should get Cashman a ESPN+ sub and have him watch Episode 3 of 'The Captain'. There Derek Jeter says it best:

 

[mrmovies779]

Cashman and Boone both need to hit road

 

[duhmetreE]

C - Trevino
1B - Rizzo if he doesn't opt out or DJL
2B - Torres or DJL if Rizzo stays
SS - Peraza/Volpe
3B - IKF
LF - Benintendi
CF - Bader
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

The SP is not that bad. It would be nice to have a clear cut, dominant Ace, for these short series.

Our bullpen is hot garbage...

 

[Machinehead]

C - Trevino
1B - Rizzo if he doesn't opt out or DJL
2B - Torres or DJL if Rizzo stays
SS - Peraza/Volpe
3B - IKF
LF - Benintendi
CF - Bader
RF - Judge
DH - Stanton

The SP is not as bad. It would be nice to have a clear cut, dominant Ace.

Our bullpen is hot garbage

They need a 3B. IKF is a utility guy. So is Cabrera.

Other than that, you work on the bullpen. That's the main area for roster improvement. The lineup needs to improve through their approach and philosophy.

I wouldn't bother with a starter. Sure, it would be nice having one of those automatic aces that's better than Cole/Nestor. There's like four of those in baseball and where are we getting one?

 

[duhmetreE]

They need a 3B. IKF is a utility guy. So is Cabrera.

Other than that, you work on the bullpen. That's the main area for roster improvement. The lineup needs to improve through their approach and philosophy.

I wouldn't bother with a starter. Sure, it would be nice having one of those automatic aces that's better than Cole/Nestor. There's like four of those in baseball and where are we getting one?

Peraza and Volpe hopefully. Loser plays out 3B

He's a solid guy to have at 3B.. solid contact hitter.

 

[Machinehead]

Peraza and Volpe hopefully. Loser plays out 3B

He's a solid guy to have at 3B.. solid contact hitter.

I would rather shit or get off the pot on Pereza/Volpe and the loser gets traded for a young player at a position we need.

They both already have the bug. They strike out like f***ing crazy. You can see where the Paul Bunyan uppercut is a multi-level organizational mandate.

 

[romba]

Both the Bronx and Queens can wallow in misery after so much promise of a Subway Series, and I don't give two ducks about it.

Shut up Quinn and focus on your tan in Cali

 

[duhmetreE]

I would rather shit or get off the pot on Pereza/Volpe and the loser gets traded for a young player at a position we need.

They both already have the bug. They strike out like f***ing crazy. You can see where the Paul Bunyan uppercut is a multi-level organizational mandate.

That’s why I like IKF at 3rd. Bottom of the order and contact

 

[romba]

I would rather shit or get off the pot on Pereza/Volpe and the loser gets traded for a young player at a position we need.

They both already have the bug. They strike out like f***ing crazy. You can see where the Paul Bunyan uppercut is a multi-level organizational mandate.

Every time after watching the Yanks my 8 year old son tries to do that stupid uppercut to heaven swing, hooking from his shoe laces up to his nose. I told him if I see him doing that again no dessert for like a freakin week which set him straight. Harsh but necessary. SWING STRAIGHT THROUGH THE BALL WITH A LEVEL SWING GOD DAMNIT