2023 Interesting Potential Waiver Claims

[timw33]

Yup.

As I’ve said, I didn’t really see him last year but this was a guy on the fast track to being a top-4 NHL D before injuries and has *way* more upside than the typical waiver claim.

We pass on everyone, including Ludwig and the Penguins grab him.

 

[Vector]

The f*** you doing, Lou?

 

[Vector]

I get not grabbing Coghlan given his deficiencies and lack of progression. Same with Bogosian and his foot speed, NTC, and possibility he’ll just not show up.

I don’t understand not claiming Ludvig.

 

[God]

I get not grabbing Coghlan given his deficiencies and lack of progression. Same with Bogosian and his foot speed, NTC, and possibility he’ll just not show up.

I don’t understand not claiming Ludvig.

i do. he's a left hand shot and we still have wolanin.

 

[Nucky]

Bodied by Dubas

Tough

 

[Vector]

i do. he's a left hand shot and we still have wolanin.

Completely different type of player profile between them and he's similar to Soucy and Brisebois, both injured.

 

[MS]

We pass on everyone, including Ludwig and the Penguins grab him.

I’m going to be fascinated to see how his career develops.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

So are we doing the “no plan” plan again this season?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

So are we doing the “no plan” plan again this season?

Because we didn’t claim another plug?

I’m going to be fascinated to see how his career develops.

It’s the waiver, my bet is he won’t reach Wolanin’s level

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Because we didn’t claim another plug?


It’s the waiver, my bet is he won’t reach Wolanin’s level

Because we are going into the season with Hirose, Juulsen, and Myers making up half our defence

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Because we are going into the season with Hirose, Juulsen, and Myers making up half our defence

If they think their own guys are better than waiver pickup then that’s their bet

 

[VanillaCoke]

This is my shocked face.

 

[Nazzlind]

People were pencilling in Hirose the entire off season. Why not give him a chance ?

 

[rypper]

People were pencilling in Hirose the entire off season. Why not give him a chance ?

Tocchet didn't like his fitness level that he came into camp at, whatever that means. But he's up with the NHL club now, so unless something else happens he's going to get a shot.

 

[Vector]

People were pencilling in Hirose the entire off season. Why not give him a chance ?

Hirose's not the one I have a problem with being in the line-up.

 

[credulous]

putting one of hirose, mcward and brisebois in the lineup and seeing how it goes is okay but ideally you'd have a veteran ready to step in if it's not working

having two of them and only other question marks behind them? not a solid plan

 

[Diversification]

Tocchet didn't like his fitness level that he came into camp at, whatever that means. But he's up with the NHL club now, so unless something else happens he's going to get a shot.

Why do I get the feeling that Tocchet’s complaint about Hirose’s fitness is sort of like Mr Burns’ complaints about Wade Bogg’s sideburns?

 

[F A N]

I think Studnicka has absolutely done everything you could ask of a guy trying to win a 4th line/spare spot in camp and through the preseason games.

The game where they stuck him in as a placeholder for a top center, he struggled in a completely different role. But back as a 4th line energy winger tonight with Bluegers and Aman...that line was exactly want you want in a unit like that. They just relentlessly forechecked, gained possession and didn't give it back. Eventually mash the puck into the net...or...have a guy pop a goal on a broken play that all three capitalized on together.

I feel like you're just very reluctant to give Studnicka credit for what he's actually done through camp this year. It's not just that he came in great shape, he's looked fundamentally like more of the player that he did in Jrs. Confident, faster, bigger, stronger.

Do you feel differently given management's latest moves? It appears that management agrees with me and isn't giving Studnicka credit either?

Allison is a pretty comparable player. But he almost seems like he's more...where Studnicka was last year. He hasn't had that "wakeup call" moment yet. Partly due to injuries and things outside his control. But i'm just not sure what the real appreciable "upside" advantage is there. Compared to that obvious downside of showing zero loyalty to guys in the organization who do everything they're asked to.

Worst thing that happens with a waiver claim is...you end up having to waive the guy yourself. Hope he's pulled back by the original team.

Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here? You advocated keeping Studnicka instead of picking up someone from waivers for reason of showing zero loyalty to guys in the organization but you're also advocating picking someone up on D (which I am fully on board with) for reason that that worst thing to happen is you end up waiving the guy yourself.

 

[biturbo19]

Do you feel differently given management's latest moves? It appears that management agrees with me and isn't giving Studnicka credit either?





Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here? You advocated keeping Studnicka instead of picking up someone from waivers for reason of showing zero loyalty to guys in the organization but you're also advocating picking someone up on D (which I am fully on board with) for reason that that worst thing to happen is you end up waiving the guy yourself.

I don't feel differently about it at all. I think Studnicka played his way into a roster spot. They obviously wanted someone more established. But i still think what they did sends the wrong message.

I also don't necessarily think this is the set "final roster" anyway. There's some hinky cap finagling going on right now, including Podkolzin back up (who obviously absolutely in no way earned a roster spot). As well as Hirose who was cut...but now mysteriously brought back up over guys who were later cuts. I expect more roster movement to come.


It's also not even remotely a contraction. If a guy plays his way onto the team and looks good enough to hold down a spot, that's where you show some "loyalty" or whatever, and reward the guy for coming prepared and ready to hold down a spot.

When it comes to the defence corps...nobody has looked at all ready. If it had come to say, waiving Wolanin to make room for a similar sort of LD...i think it'd be questionable. But grabbing someone to upgrade Juulsen/McWard? That's a different ballgame. Absolutely nobody in camp has grabbed that "third RD" role that appears to still be vacant beside Hughes, and run with it.


It feels like you're being deliberately obtuse about this and completely misconstruing what i was saying. I never said anything remotely like, "just keep the in house guys no matter what". Just that if a guy comes in and performs well enough, it's a negative tone setter to turn around and dump them for a marginal at best lateral move for some other interchangeable waiver wire player to fill that same exact role.

 

[AHLdepth]

I wouldn't worry too much about the Ludvig non claim, now that he's a Penguin Allvin is allowed to acquire him

 

[MarkMM]

If we'd grabbed Fleury and Ludvig we'd have a lot more options on the right side with no discernible risk or costs.

I'm hoping if we're not doing those kinds of obvious moves then it means that they've got a move cooking that's even better.

Just can't see going into thet season with what we have when there were opportunities for better, even if just for depth.

 

[biturbo19]

If we'd grabbed Fleury and Ludvig we'd have a lot more options on the right side with no discernible risk or costs.

I'm hoping if we're not doing those kinds of obvious moves then it means that they've got a move cooking that's even better.

Just can't see going into thet season with what we have when there were opportunities for better, even if just for depth.

With the way they're shenanigansing with recalling Podz, Hirose on the opening roster...i'm wondering if they're not just letting some cap management rigamarole hold them back from making any claims to actually improve the roster noticeably.

But then they went out and made the Lafferty trade, so idk what they're doing at this point.

 

[F A N]

I don't feel differently about it at all. I think Studnicka played his way into a roster spot. They obviously wanted someone more established. But i still think what they did sends the wrong message.

I disagree with Studnicka playing his way onto the roster. The guy has an intriguing package but it just hasn't translate. He was on the fringe in the first place and needed to win a spot. Did he do enough to displace a regular like Joshua? Not really. His main competitor was PDG and PDG knocked it out of the park. One thing going for Studnicka is his ability to fill in at C in a pinch (which Lafferty does replace).

It's also not even remotely a contraction. If a guy plays his way onto the team and looks good enough to hold down a spot, that's where you show some "loyalty" or whatever, and reward the guy for coming prepared and ready to hold down a spot.

When it comes to the defence corps...nobody has looked at all ready. If it had come to say, waiving Wolanin to make room for a similar sort of LD...i think it'd be questionable. But grabbing someone to upgrade Juulsen/McWard? That's a different ballgame. Absolutely nobody in camp has grabbed that "third RD" role that appears to still be vacant beside Hughes, and run with it.

I don't think we disagree here in concept except we disagree on Studnicka playing his way onto the team.

It feels like you're being deliberately obtuse about this and completely misconstruing what i was saying. I never said anything remotely like, "just keep the in house guys no matter what". Just that if a guy comes in and performs well enough, it's a negative tone setter to turn around and dump them for a marginal at best lateral move for some other interchangeable waiver wire player to fill that same exact role.

Don't get me wrong. We've actually been agreeing on a lot of things lately so I'm just interested in the discussion. Was nothing personal. Like I said, it seems that we simply disagree about Studnicka and whether the potential waiver wire claims are an upgrade. For me, I think you upgrade the roster any way you can. To me, Studnicka has done nothing to suggest he's an everyday NHL player. If you get a chance to swap him out for someone else you do it. Ideally you do it before the season starts. Take the Golden Knights. They claimed Denisenko, had a look, and waived him. Alas the Canucks chose to trade a pick for more of a sure thing which is fine.

 

[biturbo19]

I disagree with Studnicka playing his way onto the roster. The guy has an intriguing package but it just hasn't translate. He was on the fringe in the first place and needed to win a spot. Did he do enough to displace a regular like Joshua? Not really. His main competitor was PDG and PDG knocked it out of the park. One thing going for Studnicka is his ability to fill in at C in a pinch (which Lafferty does replace).




I don't think we disagree here in concept except we disagree on Studnicka playing his way onto the team.


Don't get me wrong. We've actually been agreeing on a lot of things lately so I'm just interested in the discussion. Was nothing personal. Like I said, it seems that we simply disagree about Studnicka and whether the potential waiver wire claims are an upgrade. For me, I think you upgrade the roster any way you can. To me, Studnicka has done nothing to suggest he's an everyday NHL player. If you get a chance to swap him out for someone else you do it. Ideally you do it before the season starts. Take the Golden Knights. They claimed Denisenko, had a look, and waived him. Alas the Canucks chose to trade a pick for more of a sure thing which is fine.

I think part of it is just...

Lafferty might be an "upgrade" on Studnicka". But he wasn't a waiver claim. He was a trade target. 5th round pick, who cares? But it's still improving an area that seemed fine, at the expense of a draft pick. While the festering wound on Defence goes untended.


I do think we disagree on Studnicka. To me, he was fine. If he's your 4th line Winger, that's very okay. Not great, not terrible, just alright. Ideally he's your 13/14th Forward. I'm still not even convinced that's not where he ultimately ends up.

I don't see him as in competition with Joshua though. Joshy was competing for a "please keep me on the roster even tho i'm a slug because i fight sometimes" role. And on the LW which is the only real position i don't have any read on Studnickna's ability to play.


As for PDG...not only is he a natural LW...he's also moved himself into an entire different range of competition. He's been fighting for a Top-6 LW spot. And he earned it. He's a better player, and a better fit for the role than Studnicka. Simple. He's been clearly better than anyone else who could conceivably fill that role.


Despite handing guys like Hoggy and Podz every opportunity to...just do...something.

 

[IComeInPeace]

Tocchet didn't like his fitness level that he came into camp at, whatever that means. But he's up with the NHL club now, so unless something else happens he's going to get a shot.

I believe he was asked (ie ‘told’) by Tocchet to put on some weight over the off-season, and he didn’t.

I believe it was Sat Shah and Riccio who were speculating that on their podcast, or maybe Drance.

It sure would seem to solve a lot of issues if he could just get to something approaching a normal weight for a 6’ tall, mid 20’s aged grown man.