2023 Interesting Potential Waiver Claims

[StreetHawk]

I believe he was asked (ie ‘told’) by Tocchet to put on some weight over the off-season, and he didn’t.

I believe it was Sat Shah and Riccio who were speculating that on their podcast, or maybe Drance.

It sure would seem to solve a lot of issues if he could just get to something approaching a normal weight for a 6’ tall, mid 20’s aged grown man.

You'd think the team and the player would connect over the summer every 2 weeks to see how the process is going. They don't really know much about him and his prior nutrition and ability/inability to gain weight. I mean, if he's playing on an NCAA team and he is already 24, he should be very close to what his ideal playing weight should be as a professional. But, he came in light, if he's listed at around 170 lbs. I'd take that to mean he's going to have a hard time adding mass moving forward. Have to add it and then maintain it over the season.

I recall seguin would say he would lose between 8-10 lbs from the start of camp to the end of the season. And he was maybe 190 lbs and about 6'0 or so. It's a grueling season as a pro.

 

[andora]

You'd think the team and the player would connect over the summer every 2 weeks to see how the process is going. They don't really know much about him and his prior nutrition and ability/inability to gain weight. I mean, if he's playing on an NCAA team and he is already 24, he should be very close to what his ideal playing weight should be as a professional. But, he came in light, if he's listed at around 170 lbs. I'd take that to mean he's going to have a hard time adding mass moving forward. Have to add it and then maintain it over the season.

I recall seguin would say he would lose between 8-10 lbs from the start of camp to the end of the season. And he was maybe 190 lbs and about 6'0 or so. It's a grueling season as a pro.

Seguin didnt hit the gym enough in february

I kid

 

[IComeInPeace]

You'd think the team and the player would connect over the summer every 2 weeks to see how the process is going. They don't really know much about him and his prior nutrition and ability/inability to gain weight. I mean, if he's playing on an NCAA team and he is already 24, he should be very close to what his ideal playing weight should be as a professional. But, he came in light, if he's listed at around 170 lbs. I'd take that to mean he's going to have a hard time adding mass moving forward. Have to add it and then maintain it over the season.

I recall seguin would say he would lose between 8-10 lbs from the start of camp to the end of the season. And he was maybe 190 lbs and about 6'0 or so. It's a grueling season as a pro.

I read an article from when he signed with U of Minn-M.

What was that, 3-4 years ago?…

…even back then the coach was quoted as saying how they were going to work with him in the weight room and his nutrition to get him to put on weight.

I forget the exact numbers, but he put on very few pounds between then and when the Canucks signed him.

He‘s either allergic to the gym and/or food, or he must just not have the frame to put on much size???

You’d think if millions of dollars were on the line, putting on 10+ pounds wouldn’t be too difficult to do for most people in his position…

 

[StreetHawk]

I read an article from when he signed with U of Minn-M. What was 3-4 years ago?…

…even back then the coach was quoted as saying how they were going to work with him in the weight room and his nutrition to get him to put on weight.

I forget the exact numbers, but he put on very few pounds between then and when the Canucks signed him.

He‘s either allergic to the gym and/or food, or he must just not have the frame to put on much size???

You’d think if millions of dollars were on the line, putting on 10+ pounds wouldn’t be too difficult to do for most people in his position…

If he was normally eating 2800 calories and is being asked to increase it by 1000, with clean food, it does take time for your stomach to adjust to it, plus work out and do skill development in the same day. He just might be one of those skinnier lanky people. But, if he wants a long pro career, he's going to have to work with the nutritionist to figure out how to get there.

 

[MS]

My favourite/weirdest story in this vein is that the Canucks had a prospect named Rick Girard in the mid-1990s (starred at the '94 WJCs) who came to camp one year in absolutely incredible shape ... but it was because he'd been training running marathons all summer, for some reason. He was like a 175 lb. small guy to begin with an came to camp at 155 or 160 and I remember the club just being like WTF.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t claim Ludvig. He’s an upgrade over Wolanin/Hirose/Brisebois/whatever and he actually looks like he has potential.

 

[Vector]

I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t claim Ludvig. He’s an upgrade over Wolanin/Hirose/Brisebois/whatever and he actually looks like he has potential.

It looks like it ultimately came down to Ludvig/waiver claim vs having a better LTIR number. Not sure I agree with the logic, if that's the case, but we have no idea if they are working on another trade or something.

 

[Nazzlind]

Why do LTIR teams have to wait till 2pm? What difference does it make ?

 

[Vector]

Why do LTIR teams have to wait till 2pm? What difference does it make ?

It's basically a nominal punishment for fiddling with the salary cap.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You'd think the team and the player would connect over the summer every 2 weeks to see how the process is going. They don't really know much about him and his prior nutrition and ability/inability to gain weight. I mean, if he's playing on an NCAA team and he is already 24, he should be very close to what his ideal playing weight should be as a professional. But, he came in light, if he's listed at around 170 lbs. I'd take that to mean he's going to have a hard time adding mass moving forward. Have to add it and then maintain it over the season.

I recall seguin would say he would lose between 8-10 lbs from the start of camp to the end of the season. And he was maybe 190 lbs and about 6'0 or so. It's a grueling season as a pro.

Worked with a NHL:er this offseason.

I was baffled how hands off the teams are... NHL has a long way to go.

 

[Nazzlind]

It's basically a nominal punishment for fiddling with the salary cap.

What’s the punishment though? The incoming players get less practice time with the team before Game 1?

 

[Vector]

What’s the punishment though? The incoming players get less practice time with the team before Game 1?

And barred from any trades. It's the lightest slap on the wrist possible and is only really a hindrance to teams playing on the road today or going on a road trip tomorrow and don't have a player or two at practice.

 

[Nazzlind]

Worked with a NHL:er this offseason.

I was baffled how hands off the teams are... NHL has a long way to go.

People don’t like being micromanaged at the end of the day though

 

[Vector]

Worked with a NHL:er this offseason.

I was baffled how hands off the teams are... NHL has a long way to go.

This is kind of what we were talking about with the Mikheyev situation. And let's not debate it but I will say that I agree with you.

 

[StreetHawk]

Worked with a NHL:er this offseason.

I was baffled how hands off the teams are... NHL has a long way to go.

Maybe it's CBA rules regarding contact with player and team in the off-season.

 

[Vector]

Maybe it's CBA rules regarding contact with player and team in the off-season.

I believe Puck is also referring to in-season and how they handle rehab and treatment options.

 

[rypper]

It's basically a nominal punishment for fiddling with the salary cap.

Drance said the NHL set the deadline because of the Canucks in 2010/11 and their cap shenanigans.

 

[Vector]

Drance said the NHL set the deadline because of the Canucks in 2010/11 and their cap shenanigans.

GGGGIIIIILLLLLIIIISSSSS!

 

[F A N]

I think part of it is just...

Lafferty might be an "upgrade" on Studnicka". But he wasn't a waiver claim. He was a trade target. 5th round pick, who cares? But it's still improving an area that seemed fine, at the expense of a draft pick. While the festering wound on Defence goes untended.


I do think we disagree on Studnicka. To me, he was fine. If he's your 4th line Winger, that's very okay. Not great, not terrible, just alright. Ideally he's your 13/14th Forward. I'm still not even convinced that's not where he ultimately ends up.

I don't see him as in competition with Joshua though. Joshy was competing for a "please keep me on the roster even tho i'm a slug because i fight sometimes" role. And on the LW which is the only real position i don't have any read on Studnickna's ability to play.


As for PDG...not only is he a natural LW...he's also moved himself into an entire different range of competition. He's been fighting for a Top-6 LW spot. And he earned it. He's a better player, and a better fit for the role than Studnicka. Simple. He's been clearly better than anyone else who could conceivably fill that role.


Despite handing guys like Hoggy and Podz every opportunity to...just do...something.

I don't think there's much difference between trading for Lafferty and sending Studnicka down vs picking someone from waivers and sending Studnicka down if the thought process is Studnicka isn't good enough.

Like you said, Studnicka wasn't really competing with Joshua and you may think differently but he really wasn't competing with Hoglander or Pods either. At the start of camp if the Canucks were carrying 13 forwards who do you think was at risk of being sent down? Studnicka, PDG, Aman, and maybe Pods? Aman and Pods are waiver exempt so that helps but did you have Studnicka ahead of Aman and Pods at the end of last year? I didn't. PDG was also ahead of Studnicka since Tocchet seems to like him and no doubt he won a job at camp/preseason.

Hoglander and Pods have both shown more than Studnicka at the NHL level. I have no issues giving them every opportunity to succeed and the reasons are obvious. In fact, I think the Canucks should give them every opportunity to succeed. Studnicka is 2 years older. If he's only good enough to be your 13th/14th forward by now he's completely replaceable.

 

[F A N]

I believe he was asked (ie ‘told’) by Tocchet to put on some weight over the off-season, and he didn’t.

I believe it was Sat Shah and Riccio who were speculating that on their podcast, or maybe Drance.

It sure would seem to solve a lot of issues if he could just get to something approaching a normal weight for a 6’ tall, mid 20’s aged grown man.

I wouldn't say "normal" weight. If Hirose was a boxer he would probably try and fight at ~156lbs. How much does Petey weigh? Don't ask him.

If he was normally eating 2800 calories and is being asked to increase it by 1000, with clean food, it does take time for your stomach to adjust to it, plus work out and do skill development in the same day. He just might be one of those skinnier lanky people. But, if he wants a long pro career, he's going to have to work with the nutritionist to figure out how to get there.

Well celebrities do it for movies and at Hirose's age he could probably could gain quite a bit of lean muscle in 3 months.

He does have narrow shoulders. I think he's a guy you want to focus on strength rather than weight.

 

[StreetHawk]

I wouldn't say "normal" weight. If Hirose was a boxer he would probably try and fight at ~156lbs. How much does Petey weigh? Don't ask him.



Well celebrities do it for movies and at Hirose's age he could probably could gain quite a bit of lean muscle in 3 months.

He does have narrow shoulders. I think he's a guy you want to focus on strength rather than weight.

There is a difference between gaining then maintaining. As all of the celebrities drop the weight afterwards. Hirose is going to have to maintain the weight/strength for many years to have a pro career. So, he has to do it smartly so that he can maintain it.

 

[F A N]

There is a difference between gaining then maintaining. As all of the celebrities drop the weight afterwards. Hirose is going to have to maintain the weight/strength for many years to have a pro career. So, he has to do it smartly so that he can maintain it.

I don't disagree but battling to maintain weight is a separate battle. Part of the process of preparing for the season includes preparing for eventual weight loss during the season.

Hirose is in his first year as a pro so I give him the benefit of the doubt. It can take time to learn how to be a pro. He needs to figure out his optimum weight. But if he's at 170lbs it's probably safe to assume that he can easily pack on another 10-15 without negatively affecting his speed. Nobody is saying do it quickly.

Maybe he can borrow some sage crystals from Gaudette?

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't disagree but battling to maintain weight is a separate battle. Part of the process of preparing for the season includes preparing for eventual weight loss during the season.

Hirose is in his first year as a pro so I give him the benefit of the doubt. It can take time to learn how to be a pro. He needs to figure out his optimum weight. But if he's at 170lbs it's probably safe to assume that he can easily pack on another 10-15 without negatively affecting his speed. Nobody is saying do it quickly.

Maybe he can borrow some sage crystals from Gaudette?

He's also 24, not 21. Figure by now he'd actually be closer to his target weight. If he's had trouble up to now adding, not likely to be easy for him to actually do it.

See how he is next year really. This is an AHL year for him. But, if he wants a legit shot at the NHL, he's got to figure it out with the trainer/nutritionist to help him get to where he needs to be physically.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Drance said the NHL set the deadline because of the Canucks in 2010/11 and their cap shenanigans.

Explains why Shenanigans on Robson shut down.

 

[HairyKneel]

Drance said the NHL set the deadline because of the Canucks in 2010/11 and their cap shenanigans.

LOL of course they did Drance. Did he follow it up with that laugh that would get him punched out in pretty much any pub inthe lower mainland? Between him and String Tie the media has to to shit in this town.

Where’s Neil Macrae and Gary Mason when you need them?