2023 Free Agency/UFA Targets

[norrisnick]

Peeke is a 3rd pair guy still learning the league.

Mayfield is one of the best penalty killers bolstering or PK and mentoring our kids to become also top penalty killers.

That's why we should sign him. Not because he is old.

Mayfield is more of a 3rd pairing guy than Peeke. And at his age he's not going to improve any where as Peeke can.

We don't need any more mentors. We need good players now and for the future.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Well, that's probably 2 1sts and a young player/prospect.

I'd toss #17 '23, #43 '24, Bos 1st '24, RW 1st '24 Veleno and a D prospect not named Ed for both Andersson and Lindholm.

Why would Calgary be trading Andersson? Lindholm is an okay target if you're confident in re-signing him (to a reasonable contract). Paying a bunch of 1sts for a rental is not what we should be doing.

 

[norrisnick]

Why would Calgary be trading Andersson? Lindholm is an okay target if you're confident in re-signing him (to a reasonable contract). Paying a bunch of 1sts for a rental is not what we should be doing.

They wouldn't be. But some people have no interest in players that might actually be available.

 

[Snuggs]

They wouldn't be. But some people have no interest in players that might actually be available.

Man, outside of a half dozen of us that keep talking about this an circling the wagon about how money has to be spent. It's like people aren't really getting it.

You can draft and spend money on these bad UFA's or you can cough some picks for a guy Lindholm(or someone else) and have that move be essentially your big offseason signing.

It's totally possible to go out and sign 3/5 players on 1/2 year deals with bloated salaries to hit the floor for a few years... but damnit that feels like a Coyotes/Thrashers/mid 2000's Islander move. I think the Red Wings/Yzerman are BEYOND this now.

Wouldn't be against Andersson, just not sure Calgary comes off him.

 

[Henkka]

Man, outside of a half dozen of us that keep talking about this an circling the wagon about how money has to be spent. It's like people aren't really getting it.

We don't have to spend any money to be over the cap floor. Just sign RFAs (like Veleno for 1.4M) and promote the ELCs and those ELC bonuses will do the thing. With ELC bonuses we are at 65.6M, ~3.5M over the 62M cap floor, with 23-man roster. Without ELC bonuses, our real caphits would be at 59.4M, but to catch the floor, ELC bonuses are count as full.

It's 100% bullschit, that we would be forced to sign players, to reach the cap floor. We already have the players and contracts to reach the floor. The math is already there. People just get blindfolded because the rosters aren't full, there's unsigned RFAs and they don't know about the ELC bonus fact.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Red Wings' 2023 Offseason Trade Targets: Nashville Predators - The Hockey Writers Detroit Red Wings Latest News, Analysis & More

The Detroit Red Wings have three intriguing trade targets worth considering from the retooling Nashville Predators.

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They make a comment about Red Wings should look at Dante Fabbro from the preds (obviously we would all be okay with that) but they are saying it would take a 2nd and Sebrango....

WHERE DO WE SIGN THE FU*K UP. That is giving up nothing for him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Red Wings' 2023 Offseason Trade Targets: Nashville Predators - The Hockey Writers Detroit Red Wings Latest News, Analysis & More

The Detroit Red Wings have three intriguing trade targets worth considering from the retooling Nashville Predators.

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Not sure if this was posted, if so, delete if necessary.

They make a comment about Red Wings should look at Dante Fabbro from the preds (obviously we would all be okay with that) but they are saying it would take a 2nd and Sebrango....

WHERE DO WE SIGN THE FU*K UP. That is giving up nothing for him.

Wasn't Dante Fabbro involved in the 2018 WJC scandal? If so, pass.

I'd be fine taking Barrie for a song. I need to spread my hate around the roster this year now that Hronek is gone.

 

[jkutswings]

Wasn't Dante Fabbro involved in the 2018 WJC scandal? If so, pass.

I'd be fine taking Barrie for a song. I need to spread my hate around the roster this year now that Hronek is gone.

He was not named as a person of interest. According to his agent, he was asleep in a different area of the hotel:

Agent: Nashville Predators defenseman Dante Fabbro not implicated in reopened sexual assault investigation

Agent says Nashville Predator Dante Fabbro not implicated in reopened investigation of alleged sexual assault involving 2018 Canadian world junior team.

www.tennessean.com

 

[Detroit Knights]

Wasn't Dante Fabbro involved in the 2018 WJC scandal? If so, pass.

I'd be fine taking Barrie for a song. I need to spread my hate around the roster this year now that Hronek is gone.

Would you give up buchelnikov and a second for barrie? Honestly, I think I would. With everything going on, we don't really see much info about buchelnikov vs other prospects everywhere else, so tough to see what he is to us anymore.

He was not named as a person of interest. According to his agent, he was asleep in a different area of the hotel:

Agent: Nashville Predators defenseman Dante Fabbro not implicated in reopened sexual assault investigation

Agent says Nashville Predator Dante Fabbro not implicated in reopened investigation of alleged sexual assault involving 2018 Canadian world junior team.

www.tennessean.com

 

[Henkka]

Fabbro has been at trade rumours, because he has not been good at latest seasons. While ago, did some comparison between him and Alex Carrier and no wonder Preds are keeping Carrier and trading Fabbro, because the gap between them was significat on advanced stats. We don't have to lose assets on him.

31-year old UFA Barrie-rumour sounds familiar... like Yzerman signing Marc-Andre Bergreon on Tampa days in front of Victor Hedman to run the power-play.

Just to control the caphit for next contract. PP production goes to 1st PP specialist Barrie, and Seider production will get hurt a bit. Then extend Seider long-term and trade Barrie away... short 2-year deal for Barrie does the thing.

 

[norrisnick]

Fabbro has been at trade rumours, because he has not been good at latest seasons. While ago, did some comparison between him and Alex Carrier and no wonder Preds are keeping Carrier and trading Fabbro, because the gap between them was significat on advanced stats. We don't have to lose assets on him.

31-year old UFA Barrie-rumour sounds familiar... like Yzerman signing Marc-Andre Bergreon on Tampa days in front of Victor Hedman to run the power-play.

Just to control the caphit for next contract. PP production goes to 1st PP specialist Barrie, and Seider production will get hurt a bit. Then extend Seider long-term and trade Barrie away... short 2-year deal for Barrie does the thing.

At what point is Detroit free from "such and such was done at Tampa"? It's tiresome. Detroit is not Tampa. The parallels do not exist for every single move. We don't have a Stamkos. We don't have a Kucherov. We don't have a Vasilevskiy. Etc... The moves he made in Tampa worked for Tampa. Just stop trying to tie everything to Tampa. These are vastly different situations.

 

[Henkka]

At what point is Detroit free from "such and such was done at Tampa"? It's tiresome. Detroit is not Tampa. The parallels do not exist for every single move. We don't have a Stamkos. We don't have a Kucherov. We don't have a Vasilevskiy. Etc... The moves he made in Tampa worked for Tampa. Just stop trying to tie everything to Tampa. These are vastly different situations.

It's just how our GM Steve Yzerman did act. He does use certain tricks. I can use a word "in the past" or "some non-named organization" if that will help. He did make short-term contracts on that place he was a former GM and he has been doing short-term deals here at Detroit. It's Yzerman doing his things. Not anyhow comparing Detroit to Tampa. Just Yzerman managing. Both organization had a building process, an era where we are currently. Some obvious similar methods will pop up here and there for me. I've looked both teams closely.

 

[Snuggs]

We don't have to spend any money to be over the cap floor. Just sign RFAs (like Veleno for 1.4M) and promote the ELCs and those ELC bonuses will do the thing. With ELC bonuses we are at 65.6M, ~3.5M over the 62M cap floor, with 23-man roster. Without ELC bonuses, our real caphits would be at 59.4M, but to catch the floor, ELC bonuses are count as full.

It's 100% bullschit, that we would be forced to sign players, to reach the cap floor. We already have the players and contracts to reach the floor. The math is already there. People just get blindfolded because the rosters aren't full, there's unsigned RFAs and they don't know about the ELC bonus fact.

Yeah, we can go full Coyote/Sabre/Thrasher and bring up young kids who aren't ready all at once. I mean sheesh whats the team going to look like? Then we get into injuries...

Perron - Larkin - Raymond(ELC)
Rasmussen - Copp - Kubalik
Berggren(ELC) - Kasper(ELC) - Mazur(ELC)
Zadina - Veleno(RFA) - Fabbri

Czarnik
Soderblom(ELC) / Matt Luff(RFA)

Walman - Seider(ELC)
Edvinsson(ELC) - Chairot
Maatta - Wallinder(ELC)

Johansson (ELC) / Lindstrom(RFA)

Husso
Cossa(ELC)

 

[Detroit Knights]

It's just how our GM Steve Yzerman did act. He does use certain tricks. I can use a word "in the past" or "some non-named organization" if that will help. He did make short-term contracts on that place he was a former GM and he has been doing short-term deals here at Detroit. It's Yzerman doing his things. Not anyhow comparing Detroit to Tampa. Just Yzerman managing. Both organization had a building process, an era where we are currently. Some obvious similar methods will pop up here and there for me. I've looked both teams closely.

Exactly. Yzerman just like most straight men have a type. He likes tall D (hedman, sergachev, bogosian, etc.) therefore we have ed, seider, chiarot, wallinder, etc.

He also loves tall goalies (bishop, vasi) that's why we traded up for cossa.

So, I see what you are saying, it doesn't matter what team he is the GM for, he's got a vision/type for what he believes wins in this era.

 

[norrisnick]

It's just how our GM Steve Yzerman did act. He does use certain tricks. I can use a word "in the past" or "some non-named organization" if that will help. He did make short-term contracts on that place he was a former GM and he has been doing short-term deals here at Detroit. It's Yzerman doing his things. Not anyhow comparing Detroit to Tampa. Just Yzerman managing. Both organization had a building process, an era where we are currently. Some obvious similar methods will pop up here and there for me. I've looked both teams closely.

It's not the word Tampa. It's the assumption that Yzerman is incapable of any new ideas. He did this thing, so obviously he's going to do it again. It's very reductive.

 

[SantosHalper]

It's the assumption that Yzerman is incapable of any new ideas. He did this thing, so obviously he's going to do it again. It's very reductive.

I think Yzerman is building more grittier team than he did in Tampa.

 

[Detroit Knights]

So, Jesper Bratt just signed 8 years 7.875.

He hasn't hit 40 goals like Debrincat has, so that could mess with his contract extension too, no? Starting to seem like 8x8 debrincat is correct value.

 

[norrisnick]

So, Jesper Bratt just signed 8 years 7.875.

He hasn't hit 40 goals like Debrincat has, so that could mess with his contract extension too, no? Starting to seem like 8x8 debrincat is correct value.

It's 'correct value' but that doesn't make it a good fit. Especially if you have to trade for him first. We don't have the players to make use of a DeBrincat. We need to get those players first.

 

[Detroit Knights]

It's 'correct value' but that doesn't make it a good fit. Especially if you have to trade for him first. We don't have the players to make use of a DeBrincat. We need to get those players first.

I understand that, but I am trying to see what the correct value is to see how much he gets overpaid or if he takes a discount for him to sign here after the trade.

We all know you do not want him anywhere near Detroit. I get it. lol

 

[norrisnick]

I understand that, but I am trying to see what the correct value is to see how much he gets overpaid or if he takes a discount for him to sign here after the trade.

We all know you do not want him anywhere near Detroit. I get it. lol

7s- low 8s. With Bratt and Caufield that's pretty locked in. That's where Ray will likely land as well.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

We need to be really f***ing careful with capspace this summer. Not factoring in anyone that isn't already on the team, we could very easily see a $20M jump in caphit in '24-'25 with just raises for Mo, Ray, Ras, Kubalik, and Bergie.

To illustrate. Take our current roster. Add a $8M forward, $5M defenseman, $3M goalie, and another $1M defenseman. Retain Veleno and Suter at a combined $4M, they can fight for how it gets split. That's just over $75M. Ton of room right?

Fast forward to next fall. Give the 5 mentioned above raises. Retain Perron with zero raise. $93M payroll.

The only core guys to worry about our Seider and Raymond. The rest are depth pieces

Kasper, Wallinder and Edvinsson haven't started their ELC's.

Viana 2.625 is off the books after next year.

If anything, the Wings should look to take on cap dumps.

 

[norrisnick]

The only core guys to worry about our Seider and Raymond. The rest are depth pieces

Kasper, Wallinder and Edvinsson haven't started their ELC's.

Viana 2.625 is off the books after next year.

If anything, the Wings should look to take on cap dumps.

Depth pieces that are more important to the future than whatever you get out of the cap dumps.

 

[ricky0034]

he has a bit more career production and is closer to UFA than Bratt was so he probably does end up getting paid more but i'd much rather have Bratt than DeBrincat going forward if I was picking between them

 

[13to40]

Would you give up buchelnikov and a second for barrie? Honestly, I think I would. With everything going on, we don't really see much info about buchelnikov vs other prospects everywhere else, so tough to see what he is to us anymore.

I don’t think Barrie is what the wings need. Especially not with giving up Buch.

Barrie is your soft prototypical offensive defensemen who offers close to nothing in his own end. A PP specialist who would take time away from Seider and Ed as well.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I don’t think Barrie is what the wings need. Especially not with giving up Buch.

Barrie is your soft prototypical offensive defensemen who offers close to nothing in his own end. A PP specialist who would take time away from Seider and Ed as well.

Highly doubt he takes away from seider or ed but I understand with the other stuff you said.