Speculation: 2023 Free Agency/Trade Thread

[bsu]

Kane definitely going to NY.

 

[All Mighty]

Why would the Blues do this? They bailed the Penguins out for nothing.

 

[gilfaizon]

Why would the Blues do this? They bailed the Penguins out for nothing.

They must like the player

 

[All Mighty]

They must like the player

They must not be watching him in 2023. I guess to some people this is worth $3.2M for 2 years.

 

[dracom]

sounds like kane is going to the rangers. should must be nice to be a team that has players falling over to come to you.

 

[gilfaizon]

They must not be watching him in 2023. I guess to some people this is worth $3.2M for 2 years.
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Crazy concept that a change of scenery could help the player. This is absolutely unheard of.

 

[bsu]

They must not be watching him in 2023. I guess to some people this is worth $3.2M for 2 years.
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I mean Carter is washed up and McGinn is McGinn. Maybe a change of scenery will help.... Kapanen does give me Comtois arrogant vibes though... glad we steered away from that.

 

[bsu]

We're really going to pick up Jordie Benn aren't we .

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I assume you meant strict rubric. How can you possibly say that? We know of one important player who he refused to give term to (Lindholm). But at the same time, he gave term to Strome (more than I think he had to). So we really have no idea what rubric Verbeek is operating under for term. Not surprisingly, I'm sure it depends on the player.

Yup, rubric.

Lindholm, 29 years old, is a top tier talent that wanted an 8-year term, went cheap too at $6.5 mil.

Strome, 29 years old, is not a top tier talent and got an 5-year term. We overpaid for Strome, at $5 mil, when compared to Lindholm.

There are reports that Verbeek only wanted a 5-year term max with Lindholm, including paying more for the 5-year term. That's consistent with Strome's deal. For a 29-year old, a 5-year term ends when he's 33 years old and an 8-year terms ends when he's 36. We can easily deduce there's an age-to-term rubric that Verbeek adheres to following.

Most top end free agents will be looking more for security (term) than make a quick buck, unless you're Klingberg and screwed up royally by being far too greedy - turned down 8-year term with $7 mil AAV b/c he wanted 8-year term with $8 mil AAV.

I do think Verbeek wants to build through the draft - that's obvious because: (i) he has said that; and (ii) all successful teams rebuild that way. But with Fowler being the only proven top 4 d-man signed for next year (two if you count Drysdale), Verbeek almost certainly needs to sign or trade for 1-2 additional d-man. The ducks young d-men aren't ready.

Is it obvious that Verbeek wants to build through the draft on our boards? Could have fooled me at last year's TDL, at last year's draft, and at last summer's FA period.

Currently, we have no mobility to bring players up and down as we please. We have to wait for someone to go on IR before we call someone up. That implies no movement for prospects to get a game in at the NHL level at this moment.

Let's look at our contract situation next year for the blue line. Under contract for next season: Fowler, White, and Vaaks. Players that are RFA's: Drysdale and Benoit. Let's presume that the RFA's are retained, then that would give the Ducks 5 defensemen under contract. Now, let's also presume Shatty is retained, then that's 6 defensemen under contract. Does the club want to sign another D or two and prevent any upward mobility for our prospects?

D prospects with AHL experience

RD Andersson (RFA)​

RD Helleson​

LD Juolevi (RFA+arb)​

D prospects potentially going pro next season

LD/RD LaCombe (age 22)​

LD/RD Zellweger (age 20 in Sept)​

LD/RD Hinds (age 20)​

LD Mintyukov (age 20 in Nov)​

Gotta think that we gotta start ushering in a kid or two next season who's waiver eligible, but in order to do that then we need to have a roster spot open at the NHL level.

This pro season has been abysmal for the Ducks org. Drysdale is out for practically the whole season. Andersson looks like our best defender in the AHL, but he's made out of glass. Helleson's offense is starting to come to life, but that defense hasn't been his forte. Juolevi's been injured for most of the season. That's a significant problem because one of them should have looked good enough to be able to cycle up this year to help set the table for next season and beyond.

Instead, a lot of hope is going to be placed on LaCombe to make that NHL jump to set the table. Or Verbeek will do something he hasn't done before to one of his signings, waive one or more of the D under contract like Vaaks and/or White to sign a more talented plug on defense. I would go this route as it's the best of both worlds, getting an upgraded NHL d talent and leaving a spot open for a D prospect.

 

[gilfaizon]

I wonder if we see Stolarz waived shortly prior to the deadline, so he could be traded to a contender from the minors if he clears. This would be beneficial if Verbeek has no strong offers for Stolarz, as teams would covet a 3rd/4th string goalie that can sit in the minors as insurance, similar to Keith Kinkaid that was just traded to Colorado.

My conclusion is that Stolarz would have more value if he clears waivers, but you run the risk of him being claimed.

 

[MMC]

I wonder if we see Stolarz waived shortly prior to the deadline, so he could be traded to a contender from the minors if he clears. This would be beneficial if Verbeek has no strong offers for Stolarz, as teams would covet a 3rd/4th string goalie that can sit in the minors as insurance, similar to Keith Kinkaid that was just traded to Colorado.

My conclusion is that Stolarz would have more value if he clears waivers, but you run the risk of him being claimed.

Stolarz would 100% get claimed

 

[duckpuck]

Is it obvious that Verbeek wants to build through the draft on our boards? Could have fooled me at last year's TDL, at last year's draft, and at last summer's FA period.

Currently, we have no mobility to bring players up and down as we please. We have to wait for someone to go on IR before we call someone up. That implies no movement for prospects to get a game in at the NHL level at this moment.

Let's look at our contract situation next year for the blue line. Under contract for next season: Fowler, White, and Vaaks. Players that are RFA's: Drysdale and Benoit. Let's presume that the RFA's are retained, then that would give the Ducks 5 defensemen under contract. Now, let's also presume Shatty is retained, then that's 6 defensemen under contract. Does the club want to sign another D or two and prevent any upward mobility for our prospects?

D prospects with AHL experience

RD Andersson (RFA)​

RD Helleson​

LD Juolevi (RFA+arb)​

D prospects potentially going pro next season

LD/RD LaCombe (age 22)​

LD/RD Zellweger (age 20 in Sept)​

LD/RD Hinds (age 20)​

LD Mintyukov (age 20 in Nov)​

Gotta think that we gotta start ushering in a kid or two next season who's waiver eligible, but in order to do that then we need to have a roster spot open at the NHL level.

This pro season has been abysmal for the Ducks org. Drysdale is out for practically the whole season. Andersson looks like our best defender in the AHL, but he's made out of glass. Helleson's offense is starting to come to life, but that defense hasn't been his forte. Juolevi's been injured for most of the season. That's a significant problem because one of them should have looked good enough to be able to cycle up this year to help set the table for next season and beyond.

Instead, a lot of hope is going to be placed on LaCombe to make that NHL jump to set the table. Or Verbeek will do something he hasn't done before to one of his signings, waive one or more of the D under contract like Vaaks and/or White to sign a more talented plug on defense. I would go this route as it's the best of both worlds, getting an upgraded NHL d talent and leaving a spot open for a D prospect.

I really don't understand your post above. It doesn't really counter the idea of building through the draft. Building through the draft is not the same thing as rushing guys to the NHL or making spots available to young guys. Verbeek has had one draft and those players haven't even hit the AHL yet. Verbeek has also explicitly stated he doesn't want to rush guys. This likely includes LaCombe who I expect will sign this year, play a few nhl games, and then likely start net year in the AHL (unless he really shines in camp).

My guess is that Verbeek views the next wave of ducks d-men as arriving and making solid contributions in no less than 2-3 years. He'll do stop gap until then. As much as it frustrates me, I don't see any big signings this offseason. No reason to do that for a few more years - similar to the path Detroit took and is taking. I expect to see minor improvements next year, but not much more.

Its painful, but the ducks will stock up with high draft picks for 1-2 more years. The focus should be on developing the next core - Terry, Z, McTavish and Drysdale, along with the guys who are not yet in the NHL. To me, the biggest issue is the lack of NHL size/toughness to protect those guys.

 

[gilfaizon]

Stolarz would 100% get claimed

If thats the case, I can't wait to see the return we get for trading him!

 

[bsu]

Haven't seen any rumors or mention of Anaheim with all these things going on this morning

 

[gilfaizon]

Currently, we have no mobility to bring players up and down as we please. We have to wait for someone to go on IR before we call someone up. That implies no movement for prospects to get a game in at the NHL level at this moment.

This is ridiculous and inaccurate. Megna and Leason could easily pass through waivers if PV truly had players in the AHL he wanted up here. We know Pat wants none of the youth near this tire fire, although there's not many guys down there that really deserve a chance.

 

[bsu]

That's all? Seriously we couldn't beat that?

 

[FlyingV09]

I think they have to add a Top 4D stop gap to help compliment Drysdale. They have talked about extending Shattenkirk, but honestly, rather they extend Kulikov. Unless it’s about a leadership thing for the locker room?

Maybe one of the prospects is ready to make the NHL jump, but still need that vet support around them, that’s why you need to keep someone like Fowler around.

This was my thought too. They must want Shattenkirk for leadership, cause it can’t be for his play.

 

[dracom]

That's all? Seriously we couldn't beat that?

dont worry we still have a whole week for Verbeek to do nothing!

 

[bsu]

Man the coverage or lack thereof is so bad with this team. It's already bad enough with the on ice performance. Being a fan of a small market team has it's pros and cons but f*** this season is miserable.

 

[Ducks DVM]

This is ridiculous and inaccurate. Megna and Leason could easily pass through waivers if PV truly had players in the AHL he wanted up here. We know Pat wants none of the youth near this tire fire, although there's not many guys down there that really deserve a chance.

Megna is serviceable as a depth playoff forward, and Leason still has potential. Does anyone know how long you have to wait to send a waiver claimed player to put them on waivers where the original team can;t still just reclaim them and send them down?

 

[MMC]

 

[Static]

I was going to say, that reeks of kratsov going back to Russia

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This is ridiculous and inaccurate. Megna and Leason could easily pass through waivers if PV truly had players in the AHL he wanted up here. We know Pat wants none of the youth near this tire fire, although there's not many guys down there that really deserve a chance.

You do realize you proved my point. Megna and Leason are waiver wire pickups. We could easily waive them if we wanted to, but we don't as per Verbeek and haven't. It's accurate that there is no movement because of the lack of movement. Regenda could have been brought up already, but hasn't. Grimaldi could be signed to an NHL-contract and be promoted to the NHL club, but hasn't.

 

[bsu]

I was going to say, that reeks of kratsov going back to Russia

I hope that is the case... because that price was pathetic I would have paid double that.

 

[Leonardo87]

It’s probably better we avoided Kravtsov. It would a little risk high reward but he has Lias Andersson 2.0 vibes.