Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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2023 Team Board Mock Draft

A series of 1 day polls for the forthcoming draft. Picks will be decided by vote.* *not polling for #1 since we know who it will be and Hawks fans get to vote on their other 1st Links to the individual threads on the player names. 1. :hawks Connor Bedard, C, Regina Pats (WHL)...

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These poll results are VERY interesting. Every guy has won in a landslide. Fantilli got 93% of Ducks fans votes, Carlsson got 94% of Jackets fans votes (very surprising) and Michkov got 75% of Sharks fans votes (this really surprised me) and then Smith, of course, ran away with 90% of the Montreal fans votes.

I can’t believe it was so decisive in each poll. I expect ours will be a mixed bag. A bunch of Dvorskys, a bunch of Leonards, and a handful of Reinbachers and Bensons.

 

[Schemp]

Vejmelka + 38th for 14th?

 

[che]

Like someone previously posted I think we’ll try to move the 12th pick up a few spots, hopefully to get both Michkov and Dvorsky.

I believe Dvorsky has all the tools to be a star in this League. He is good at everything, and young for his draft class. Dominantes against his peers. Just needs to keep improving.

 

[moosemeister]

Watching Reinbacher now. I like him. Quite a lot actually.

I just like every forward from 5-10 better. Haha

 

[Nagatoarek]

Hmm is Carlson that good , that he is worth more than the 2 players we could draft at 6 and 12?

I am guessing* yes, I just don’t know personally

I kind of figured Bedard and FantilII were the ones you would try that to

I'm a big, big fan of Carlsson. I've watched him play live almost every home game this last season in the SHL and streamed the away games.
He's always a difference maker on the ice and I would be ecstatic to have him here.

That being said, I would not trade 6 and 12 for him. Nor do I think CBJ or SJ would agreed to it. We're not at a place imo to pick fewer difference makers through the draft, and in a draft as strong as this one, I really believe we can get those types of players at both 6 and 12. Even if Carlsson might be better than both.

 

[Jakey53]

I’m not as high on Carlsson as you guys are.

For me:

Tier 1: Bedard
Tier 2: Fantilli
Tier 3: Benson, Carlsson, Smith, Michkov
Tier 4: Dvorsky, Leonard
Tier 5: Danielson, Reinbacher, Barlow, Honzek

^ that’s 12 guys.

Awhile back I was asking why no one was talking Smith. Now, someone brings up his name and all of a sudden he is top three? Same for Reinbacher. I don't watch these kids so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I think Smith goes top 5, but I don't see Reinbacher top 15. With Michkov coming over for the draft, that might persuade some team in the top 5 to take him. I think Carlsson or Dvorsky will be there at six for us. One player I don't want a six is Benson. I also think BA will try to move up from our 12th.

 

[SR]

If we can somehow grab Dvorsky at 6 and trade down with Washington with our 12 and a couple seconds and grab Leonard this would make the draft a huge win.

We don’t need quantity anymore we need the bpa’s at the pick.

Look for defense next year or add through FA or trade.

We’re not going to be making the playoffs next year, but stock piling those two in the first round would be huge.

Cooley
Guenther
Dvorsky
Leonard
Geekie
Maccelli
Keller
Crouse

That’s an insane forward group.

 

[rt]

If we can somehow grab Dvorsky at 6 and trade down with Washington with our 12 and a couple seconds and grab Leonard this would make the draft a huge win.

We don’t need quantity anymore we need the bpa’s at the pick.

Look for defense next year or add through FA or trade.

We’re not going to be making the playoffs next year, but stock piling those two in the first round would be huge.

Cooley
Guenther
Dvorsky
Leonard
Geekie
Maccelli
Keller
Crouse

That’s an insane forward group.

Add Hayton and that’s a full top nine. Haha.

 

[hbk]

Craig Button’s Mock Draft: Which players go after Bedard? | TSN

The Chicago Blackhawks were the winners of the 2023 NHL Draft Lottery, moving up from No. 3 to No. 1 with the opportunity to draft a generational talent in Regina Pats centre Connor Bedard. While Bedard is the obvious top pick, TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button unveils his mock draft for the...

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This video is worth your time.

 

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Keller-Cooley-Leonard(?)
Maccelli-Geekie-Guenther
Crouse-Hayton-Wood(?)

 

[crazyhockeylover96]

Curious about what BA may be able get at the draft for Schmaltz, Farinacci rights, a goalie, and possibly bad cap contracts.

 

[Kaizen]

Curious about what BA may be able get at the draft for Schmaltz, Farinacci rights, a goalie, and possibly bad cap contracts.

I doubt there's much of a market for Farinacci's rights. Why wouldn't a team wait until August? It would be a bonus to get a pick though.

 

[BUX7PHX]

If you were mocked for proposing that strategy last year, then I think you deserved it. The folks proposing it now, well they deserve it too.

Why? Scouts have been detailing players for a while. If part of analytics states that it is more likely to find a certain position of value in one draft than another, wouldn't that entail assessing the options available in listening to a scout?

If a scout tells me all these things about player X and another tells me similar about player Y (different positions, mind you), but then I see that next year, there are about 8 players similar in ranking to player X where I expect us to be picking, and 1 player close to player Y, then I would lean toward picking player Y now because next year, there are many players similar to player X to choose from, just as player X would be similar now.

 

[BUX7PHX]

That’s not what happened. They took BPA last year. Which is what everyone wanted. This year, everyone wants them to take BPA again. Nothing changed.

BPA can mean different things to different people. Michkov may be BPA on talent alone at 6 but may not be BPA on ability to bring over and cultivate. Wright would have been BPA last year based on consensus technically, no? Nearly everyone would have had Wright over Cooley, but we did not do that and may have taken the player who wound up gaining the most traction YoY. So, is that supposed to be the definition of BPA? Player with most growth potential? See where I am going with this?

I see BPA is simply the player who represents the greatest likelihood of establishing a 5-15 year pro career. That means organic growth in the player and maybe they have grown little because they were far ahead of peers. That may mean a lot of time in the AHL for some, but toward the top half of the 1st round and through the top 75-100 picks, you find the players who start to fit that bill.

BPA can vary across team's boards, and that's where I state that if BPA now means we take a player to where the BPA next year are more likely to be better developed at a similar position, is it wise to simply go ahead and take BPA now knowing that there may be better players as BPA next year? Ultimately, you are looking forward (meaning ahead) regardless, so that does mean looking at a decision in 2022 and how that looks relative to 2023, 2024, and 2025. If the 2022 player does not progress in the way expected (i.e. they tear their ACL), that may change how you strategize picks beyond that year.

 

[XX]

I doubt there's much of a market for Farinacci's rights. Why wouldn't a team wait until August? It would be a bonus to get a pick though.

Almost guaranteed he signs with Boston given their pool and his background.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Craig Button’s Mock Draft: Which players go after Bedard? | TSN

The Chicago Blackhawks were the winners of the 2023 NHL Draft Lottery, moving up from No. 3 to No. 1 with the opportunity to draft a generational talent in Regina Pats centre Connor Bedard. While Bedard is the obvious top pick, TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button unveils his mock draft for the...

www.tsn.ca

This video is worth your time.

I would be ecstatic with Michkov and Benson. That would be nuts. I'd be running through the streets naked.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I would be ecstatic with Michkov and Benson. That would be nuts. I'd be running through the streets naked.

No chance that happens with the way BA likes to build big...he's not going to take 2 smallish players. He might take 1, but not two and I'm not so sure he picks 1 either.

Dvorsky, Leonard, Wood, Barlow all seem like BA's type of guys.

 

[Heldig]

No chance that happens with the way BA likes to build big...he's not going to take 2 smallish players. He might take 1, but not two and I'm not so sure he picks 1 either.

Dvorsky, Leonard, Wood, Barlow all seem like BA's type of guys.

I see Armstrong picking Dvorsky or Leonard at 6. If Benson is still there at 12 (doubtful) you pick him.

 

[rt]

BPA can mean different things to different people. Michkov may be BPA on talent alone at 6 but may not be BPA on ability to bring over and cultivate. Wright would have been BPA last year based on consensus technically, no? Nearly everyone would have had Wright over Cooley, but we did not do that and may have taken the player who wound up gaining the most traction YoY. So, is that supposed to be the definition of BPA? Player with most growth potential? See where I am going with this?

I see BPA is simply the player who represents the greatest likelihood of establishing a 5-15 year pro career. That means organic growth in the player and maybe they have grown little because they were far ahead of peers. That may mean a lot of time in the AHL for some, but toward the top half of the 1st round and through the top 75-100 picks, you find the players who start to fit that bill.

BPA can vary across team's boards, and that's where I state that if BPA now means we take a player to where the BPA next year are more likely to be better developed at a similar position, is it wise to simply go ahead and take BPA now knowing that there may be better players as BPA next year? Ultimately, you are looking forward (meaning ahead) regardless, so that does mean looking at a decision in 2022 and how that looks relative to 2023, 2024, and 2025. If the 2022 player does not progress in the way expected (i.e. they tear their ACL), that may change how you strategize picks beyond that year.

They took the best player last year instead of focusing on positions need. Which was obviously the right thing to do. They’ll do the same this year. Wanting to do the inverse of that is foolish.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

What school is Fabrinacci? I would never scout, draft or sign a player from that school out of principle. Just like Maloney wouldn’t pick a Russian high in the draft.

 

[hbk]

What school is Fabrinacci? I would never scout, draft or sign a player from that school out of principle. Just like Maloney wouldn’t pick a Russian high in the draft.

Harvard

 

[SR]

I’m so sold on Leonard, but man if Michkov is there at 6 he would be the best player this franchise has ever drafted. He’s tiny, though. I’m torn for sure because I know Leonard won’t be there at 12.

Take Michkov at 6 if he’s there and then try and swindle Washington to take Leonard.. I really want Leonard but would have such a hard time passing up on a potential franchise player.

 

[hbk]

I’m so sold on Leonard, but man if Michkov is there at 6 he would be the best player this franchise has ever drafted. He’s tiny, though. I’m torn for sure because I know Leonard won’t be there at 12.

Take Michkov at 6 if he’s there and then try and swindle Washington to take Leonard.. I really want Leonard but would have such a hard time passing up on a potential franchise player.

Just like how every mock draft has AZ taking Reinbacher it also has the Flyers taking Leonard at 7.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I’m so sold on Leonard, but man if Michkov is there at 6 he would be the best player this franchise has ever drafted. He’s tiny, though. I’m torn for sure because I know Leonard won’t be there at 12.

Take Michkov at 6 if he’s there and then try and swindle Washington to take Leonard.. I really want Leonard but would have such a hard time passing up on a potential franchise player.

He's not 5'8. He's one of the younger players in the draft and his size shouldn't pose any significant problems given how he plays the game. He isn't the type of player who needs to dangle through 4 guys or go into the corners and cycle the puck to be effective. He's a little light but I wouldn't be too worried about it considering he likely won't be here for 3 years anyways.

 

[hbk]

Just like how every mock draft has AZ taking Reinbacher it also has the Flyers taking Leonard at 7.

Just further to this. I’ve seen a dubious source on twitter highlight that Montreal with interest in Dvorsky and like i said above everyone seems to link Philli to Leonard. While I can’t find the source i know there was one article which highlighted AZ scouts were heavily interested in Dvorsky and we all here have highlighted how BA was obviously positively referring to Leonard in his presser. So how likely are the flyers and Habs to think they can move their picks and get their guy? Has BA thrown some dhade because of legitimate interest or is he pushing teams into paralysis so he can get someone he really wants or push for the Flyers to give him something to pass on “their” guy. And then i’m probably overthinking this but it does interest me. I just have to find that article that I apparently made up on Coyotes scouts interest in Dvorsky.