Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[rt]

Does 12 OA + 38 OA + Was '24 2nd get us up to 8 OA from Was?

I want Dvorsky and Reinbacher at 6 and 8.

If you replace Reinbacher with Benson or Leonard, I love it. With Reinbacher? I don’t like it so much.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

If you replace Reinbacher with Benson or Leonard, I love it. With Reinbacher? I don’t like it so much.

I kinda want to draft Benson and Leonard, but it feels somehow wrong to draft 2 wingers like that.

 

[rt]

I kinda want to draft Benson and Leonard, but it feels somehow wrong to draft 2 wingers like that.

If we get Dvorsky at 6th, I want Barlow, Honzek or Wood at 12th.

If we get Benson, Michkov, or Leonard at 6th, I want Danielson or Yager or Moore at 12th.

 

[RedBeard]

A few of these charts floating out there, but may offer some reasonable value perspective. Certainly would have to be a desperation move by Detroit. All depends on individual team values for certain players.

9 [372.16] + 17 [260.15] = 632.21
6 [448.95] + 38 [101.64] = 550.59

12 [324.46] + 38 [101.64] + 58 [44.81] = 395.80
8 [395.79] = 395.79




To compare our trade last year:
11 [338.98] = 338.98
27 [166.15] + 34 [121.36] + 45 [75.12] = 362.63
We were at a deficit of -23.65

 

[rt]

Would be fun to get the two guys I’d probably have called my two favorites from this class a year ago; Leonard and Yager.

 

[Schemp]

A few of these charts floating out there, but may offer some reasonable value perspective. Certainly would have to be a desperation move by Detroit. All depends on individual team values for certain players.

9 [372.16] + 17 [260.15] = 632.21
6 [448.95] + 38 [101.64] = 550.59

12 [324.46] + 38 [101.64] + 58 [44.81] = 395.80
8 [395.79] = 395.79


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To compare our trade last year:
11 [338.98] = 338.98
27 [166.15] + 34 [121.36] + 45 [75.12] = 362.63
We were at a deficit of -23.65

So theoretically we could offer the 6 & 12 for Fantilli?

 

[che]

I would really really like it if we got one of Michkov or Dvorsky.

If we don't then I'm fine with it. I trust BA and crew.

 

[Grimes]

For some reason I thought they were taller but that’s what I get for going off the top of the head. Skill wise I always felt like Oshie should have been able to produce more. Not that what he has produced is insignificant. Leonard’s shot is much better it seems and he’s impressed me with the ability to score in a variety of ways as well. Kind of why I thought Pavelski might be a good comparable at least with his offensive game. I’m aware he doesn’t throw hits but he doesn’t shy away from the tough areas of the game. Also would check the leadership box. These are very raw initial viewings but I like what I see from everyone so far.

Pavelski is such an on point comparable I'm upset that I didn't come up with it myself. The shot, the two-way play, the grit. Someone said Benn earlier but he isn't as big, nor do they really make many players like Benn anymore. Pavelski was Benn 2.0 but back before Benn was even a thing. Talk about a trend setter!

This kind of relates to my essay in the other thread, and something xx brought up. The league is changing to skill and speed but that comes in many forms. We may not see as many grinders and bruisers in the bottom 6, and what is considered a powerforward is changing quickly. To me Leonard fits that new powerforward mold, gritty with great two-way play and can score but more importantly can skate too. Not quite the unicorn that is Svechnikov or Rantanen, but somewhere between them and a Toffoli. Again, Pavelski feels so spot on in every facet.

The chatter was based on their desperate need for high end skill to get the Wings out of their rebuild.

Let them rot. Time for them to be a 12th best team for the next 5 years until they need to begin a rebuild 2.0 like us.

Does 12 OA + 38 OA + Was '24 2nd get us up to 8 OA from Was?

I want Dvorsky and Reinbacher at 6 and 8.

That's interesting. Last year we saw a team at the start of a true rebuild who moved way back to stockpile more picks in SJ. WSH is one of those orgs who have been great at drafting with minimal picks, not afraid to draft Euro/Russian players high and may be drafting the highest they have since getting Ovi. They would be a great target, but I mentioned it before, I just don't want less than 3 picks in the top 64 this year.

I kinda want to draft Benson and Leonard, but it feels somehow wrong to draft 2 wingers like that.

Why? We may have Cooley > Geekie > Hayton down the middle. Also Leonard is the type of winger that allows you to get away with more defensively deficient centers (Pavelski in DAL playing RW to Hintz, but taking a ton of pressure off him as he blossomed into a 1C). So to me Leonard covers up any issues of drafting two wingers. Benson + Wood would be a different story.

I would really really like it if we got one of Michkov or Dvorsky.

If we don't then I'm fine with it. I trust BA and crew.

Me too. I'll add Leonard into that mix. If we don't get one of those three I'll consider this draft a failure. I said that before when I was saying one of Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov or Calrsson was a must. I added Benson to that list a couple months ago and Smith a month ago. I've extended it once again because I either am in denial of our inability to have any sort of tank luck or because this top 10 is that good.

 

[lanky]

I want one of Reinbacher, Dragicevic, Strbak or Willander. I don't care which one.

I wonder if 6, 12 or 38 are reasonable spots to get these guys. Kinda seems like either moving up from 12 to get Reinbacher or moving up from 38 to get Strbak will be required.

I think 6 is a reasonable spot to grab Reinbacher, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bill agrees, but that clearly isn't what F40 is thinking pre-WC.

 

[rt]

I want one of Reinbacher, Dragicevic, Strbak or Willander. I don't care which one.

I wonder if 6, 12 or 38 are reasonable spots to get these guys. Kinda seems like either moving up from 12 to get Reinbacher or moving up from 38 to get Strbak will be required.

I think 6 is a reasonable spot to grab Reinbacher, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bill agrees, but that clearly isn't what F40 is thinking pre-WC.

Strbak is a good candidate to be there at 38th. There are a bunch of solid options there. Tanner Molendyk, Oliver Bonk, Etienne Morin, Hunter Brzustewicz, etc.

 

[Llewzaher]

If you replace Reinbacher with Benson or Leonard, I love it. With Reinbacher? I don’t like it so much.

Yeah , I don’t know why we are so obsessed with getting a D. This is supposed to be one of the best drafts in years due to the fowards. Let’s grab a D later on, or wait until next year when it supposedly has more D prospects.

we always say BPA , but then the GM falters, and we all get mad.. ( or at least I do)

get the best player available regardless of position. We can always trade for need later.

 

[hbk]

Pronman's NHL Mock Draft: Bedard goes first, but how does rest of first round shake out?

Corey Pronman projects the top 32 picks in his first mock draft of the season.

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[Freddy Sjostrom]

Pronman's NHL Mock Draft: Bedard goes first, but how does rest of first round shake out?

Corey Pronman projects the top 32 picks in his first mock draft of the season.

theathletic.com

Dvo at 6 and Wood at 12 sounds good

 

[rt]

Pronman's NHL Mock Draft: Bedard goes first, but how does rest of first round shake out?

Corey Pronman projects the top 32 picks in his first mock draft of the season.

theathletic.com

He gives us Dvorsky and Wood. I’d love that.

 

[Llewzaher]

I think it goes down, Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, Smith

I keep thinking Michkov drops… the Russians usually always drop …I would think more so now with the war .. not mention these teams may not want to wait for 3 years..

I guess we shall see.

maybe Washington trades up?

 

[Rusty7550]

He gives us Dvorsky and Wood. I’d love that.

And Honzek 9th. He is really interesting player. Seems like a lot of scouts love him.

 

[Llewzaher]

I’d do that. Not sure Detroit would.

i wouldn’t want to do that unless they added an additional pick or prospect.

 

[lanky]

Strbak is a good candidate to be there at 38th. There are a bunch of solid options there. Tanner Molendyk, Oliver Bonk, Etienne Morin, Hunter Brzustewicz, etc.

Maybe.
Maybe Lamoureux would've been available at 32 instead of 29.

I see trading up to the late 1st for Strbak as a real possibility.

 

[Jakey53]

I’d do that. Not sure Detroit would.

Value is lob-sided in our favor. Can't see it happening without an added future 2nd from us or something equivalent. The chatter was based on their desperate need for high end skill to get the Wings out of their rebuild.

For a generational player, almost as good as Bedard. Why would the Coyote's do this, for that package?

Does 12 OA + 38 OA + Was '24 2nd get us up to 8 OA from Was?

I want Dvorsky and Reinbacher at 6 and 8.

I would do that trade, but maybe not for those players. I want to draft as high as possible when we have the chance. We always won't be in this position, hopefully.

Trading back does very little for this team at 6 or 12. BA already has his quantity and needs to focus on quality. Not including the picks they have this year, they already have 10 picks in the first two rounds for the 2024 and 2025 drafts. If he makes any moves, it will likely be to trade up for a player in the upcoming drafts.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Schemp]

I keep thinking Michkov drops… the Russians usually always drop …I would think more so now with the war .. not mention these teams may not want to wait for 3 years..

I guess we shall see.

maybe Washington trades up?

I see it as either SJS drafts Michkov or they trade their pick. Could also see StL moving up for him.

 

[Jagged Ice]

I was watching a podcast yesterday that said Michkov was going to be attending the draft in Nashville. I don't think he's going to drop to #6 if he's present. I don't know why that changes for me but it does. If he's there, it seems like San Jose or Montreal is taking him, maybe even Columbus.

 

[rt]

I was watching a podcast yesterday that said Michkov was going to be attending the draft in Nashville. I don't think he's going to drop to #6 if he's present. I don't know why that changes for me but it does. If he's there, it seems like San Jose or Montreal is taking him, maybe even Columbus.

Wonder if he’s doing the combine?

 

[Jagged Ice]

Wonder if he’s doing the combine?

No idea on the combine but check out 4:32 of this video.

 

[moosemeister]

If there are truth to any rumors of this, and he slips to 12, I'd take Dvorsky and Michkov.

 

[tucknroll]

I'm wanting it to play out
6- Michkov/Smith/Dvorsky/Leonard
12- Benson/Moore/ASP/Reinbacher

If none of those guys are available at 12 I'd likely trade down to 15-18 and look at Yager/Sale/Heidt