Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[SlafySZN]

I also don’t like him. I also think there’s a good chance it was a broken clock scenario. But I’m not going to be so dismissive as that, after the guy battled all of Hab fandom online and then got to do a victory lap. I wish it happened to a better guy. But it was this guy who nailed it. And he’s got my attention.

Yes, i also don’t really like the way he decides to share his opinion. He always have to put down another player to make his favorite player look better.

On another note, i hope the yotes gets an awesome player at 6.

 

[rt]

Yes, i also don’t really like the way he decides to share his opinion. He always have to put down another player to make his favorite player look better.

On another note, i hope the yotes gets an awesome player at 6.

Thanks. I hope we get Dvorsky at 6. Haha. So if you don’t want him, so much the better! We’ll both be happy.

 

[SlafySZN]

Thanks. I hope we get Dvorsky at 6. Haha. So if you don’t want him, so much the better! We’ll both be happy.

I think Dvorsky will become a good player

him and Cooley could be a VERY interesting 1-2 punch

 

[moosemeister]

Thanks. I hope we get Dvorsky at 6. Haha. So if you don’t want him, so much the better! We’ll both be happy.

Let's say BA goes Reinbacher at 6. This organization is very light on D prospects.

Who would you then look at for 12? If we could leave this draft with Reinbacher and say, Wood or Honzek, I think I'd be pretty happy with that possibility too.

 

[rt]

Let's say BA goes Reinbacher at 6. This organization is very light on D prospects.

Who would you then look at for 12? If we could leave this draft with Reinbacher and say, Wood or Honzek, I think I'd be pretty happy with that possibility too.

My list (ever changing):

3.Benson
4.Carlsson
5.Michkov
6.Smith
7.Dvorsky
8.Danielson
9.Leonard
10.Reinbacher
11.Barlow
12.Honzek
13.Yager
14.Moore
15.Wood
16.Ritchie

Small chance Benson is there at 12th. It’s possible, though. And I’ve got him 3rd. I think there’s a very good chance Danielson is there at 12th and I’ve got him 8th. The next guys on my list I expect might be there is Barlow, who’s my 11th and Honzek who’s my 12th.

 

[moosemeister]

My list (ever changing):

3.Benson
4.Carlsson
5.Michkov
6.Smith
7.Dvorsky
8.Danielson
9.Leonard
10.Reinbacher
11.Barlow
12.Honzek
13.Yager
14.Moore
15.Wood
16.Ritchie

Small chance Benson is there at 12th. It’s possible, though. And I’ve got him 3rd. I think there’s a very good chance Danielson is there at 12th and I’ve got him 8th. The next guys on my list I expect might be there is Barlow, who’s my 11th and Honzek who’s my 12th.

I haven't followed Barlow all that much. I'll do some digging up on him.

 

[gorsk11]

Just looking at the draft order. I could see us trying to move to #8 from #12. Give Capitals an additional pick or picks... maybe 2 3rd rounders. Caps need more picks.

 

[Edenjung]

Just saw the lottery result and then this

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Kraken fan here.
I was hoping you could get a top two pick but I guess next weeks vote is way more important.
So good luck with that one.

Anyways, looking at it after the lottery I think it could work out like that.

1) Chicago - Bedard
2) Anaheim - Fantili
3) Columbus - Michkov
4) San Jose - Carlsson
5) Montreal - Dvorsky
6) Arizona - Smith

Kekäläinen has actually never shied away from taking russians and given that Carlsson is not a sure fire center at the pro level, I wouldn't be surprised if he took the more skilled winger.

I've also read/heard that Hughes is really high on Dvorsky(who had a very good U-18 tournament) and might take him at #5.
Of course, if Michkov does fall to #6 you take him and wait those extra couple of years given that the Yotes are certainly not in win now mode for at least another 2 years.

After that you could decide on what to do with #12.
You could stay put and take BPA or you could even use some of those extra picks to try and move up from #12, trying to get a guy like Reinbacher.

Though, I wouldn't sell the house to move up cause I'm not that impressed with this years defensive prospects and given that the Yotes should have another top ten pick next year(in a draft that seesm to have some interesting defenive prospects) they could get one of those at that points.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

I've been a fan of Smith for awhile. Still hope he falls to us again like Cooley did. Leonard at 12 would be amazing and I could see us using a second and moving up and getting a player like that. I'm not sure if Leonard is around at 12.
BPA all day for the 2 early picks.
I Wouldnt mind if we move up like the Geekie pick and get a Dman like Wallinder, Simoshev or Dragicevic in the middle/late of the first.

 

[Jakey53]

Every SJS fan I've talked to says they won't take Michkov, so he could be available at our pick.

That doesn't mean anything. The fans don't have a clue. Many years there is a team that goes off the rails, but I think this year the top three are cemented in, but you never know. I think SJS will take a C.

 

[rt]

All of BA’s quotes yesterday do REALLY sound like he’s talking about Ryan Leonard. Maybe it’s Dvorsky but sounds even more like Leonard.

I’m wondering what comps you would need to use to see him as a great option at 6th overall in a very good draft? BA drafted TJ Oshie, right? That could apply. How about Gabriel Landeskog? If you think Leonard is Landeskog, then 6th overall makes a lot of sense.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Trade down with StL and see if we can pick up a late 1st? 10th, 12th, 30 maybe get Reinbacher, Danielson, Dragicevic?
Vejmelka and the 38th for 23rd?

It makes sense, but also does not.

This is the issue with being at 6 in a draft with not a lot of impact D at the moment. Reinbacher is probably in the 8-14 range for most. Maybe he moves off of the 14 and closer to 11 or 12. We can't risk moving back and then hoping Reinbacher falls if committed to him. A team will move between 7-9 and swoop him up.

This is why I feel like we are playing a huge gamble here. Tons of great forwards available. Defense is light. Is Reinbacher elevated on draft boards simply because he happens to be the best defenseman? I see upwards of 10-18 forwards who could be better than the first D off board in 5 years. We have kind of boxed ourselves into overspending at 6 for Reinbacher given our blue line needs for depth and like other sports where NBA tends to move size up or NFL moves QB up - being the first D off the board means you are getting elevated based off position and not necessarily because your skill and future are in the same level as other players overall. We could be taking the true 15th best player who became the 10th best because he is a D vs a forward. Then we take him at 6 because he likely will not be there at 12.

I would rather see us take BPA forward at 6 and given our plethora of picks, trade 12, a 2024 2nd and 2023 5th to move back up and take Reinbacher at 8 or 9. Since the forward group is well ahead of defense, if we go Reinbacher at 6 and take best forward at 12, we really didn't get upside. But if we take best forward at 6 and then still get Reinbacher (even if having to move up to do so), we possibly get a dynamic offensive player plus someone with top 4 potential on D. Or we get a less dynamic offensive player at 12 and still get the same defenseman. If we trade back from 6 to 10, I think we lose out on both the highest level forward and the top 4 D.

 

[rt]

There are going to be several high-end defense prospects available at 38th. And next draft class is just chock full of them. Patience is the key here. No need to get all horned up and start grabbing at D prematurely.

Hehe

 

[BUX7PHX]

All of BA’s quotes yesterday do REALLY sound like he’s talking about Ryan Leonard. Maybe it’s Dvorsky but sounds even more like Leonard.

I’m wondering what comps you would need to use to see him as a great option at 6th overall in a very good draft? BA drafted TJ Oshie, right? That could apply. How about Gabriel Landeskog? If you think Leonard is Landeskog, then 6th overall makes a lot of sense.

I think Dvorsky or Leonard are the pick 99% of time. Maybe one of the concensus top 5 falls and maybe a player like Moore is there at 6, but I do believe you are correct here.

 

[rt]

Strbak will probably be there at 38th. He’s great. Morin, Bonk, Brzustewicz, Molendyk. Many such appealing blueliners in that zone.

Half of the top ten next draft is projecting to be defensemen, right now. That will change, but it’s definitely a blueline rich class. Equally abundant as this one is lacking.

We aren’t putting the finishing touches on a rebuild, here. We are still very much in the asset allocation mode. Or as BA puts it, just stacking good players on good players.

 

[BUX7PHX]

There are going to be several high-end defense prospects available at 38th. And next draft class is just chock full of them. Patience is the key here. No need to get all horned up and start grabbing at D prematurely.

Hehe

100% agree, but I still think that is a weird timeline. If we load up on defense next year, if we hold to the timeline, that means in 2-3 years, those 2024 D taken will need to be prepared to eat 14-19 minutes per game by the time 2026 or 27 season rolls around. Again, a bit of a gamble and why it feels like we have a little bit of a disjointed slant towards the quality of our prospect pool at the F position, especially with who is available this year.

Just seems like if we go off course with a D in the 1st round with this heavy of a forward draft, we could be setting ourselves back quite a bit as well.

 

[lanky]

Leonard at 6 makes me nervous.

He was a distant 3rd in scoring among his linemates.

He passes the eye test. He ticks a lot of boxes. He just didn't rack up the ridiculous point totals that Smith and Perreault did. Did he get less PP time? I'm pretty ignorant on this topic.

 

[rt]

100% agree, but I still think that is a weird timeline. If we load up on defense next year, if we hold to the timeline, that means in 2-3 years, those 2024 D taken will need to be prepared to eat 14-19 minutes per game by the time 2026 or 27 season rolls around. Again, a bit of a gamble and why it feels like we have a little bit of a disjointed slant towards the quality of our prospect pool at the F position, especially with who is available this year.

Just seems like if we go off course with a D in the 1st round with this heavy of a forward draft, we could be setting ourselves back quite a bit as well.

Trades.

Leonard at 6 makes me nervous.

He was a distant 3rd in scoring among his linemates.

He passes the eye test. He ticks a lot of boxes. He just didn't rack up the ridiculous point totals that Smith and Perreault did. Did he get less PP time? I'm pretty ignorant on this topic.

Remember that the McKenzie poll had him 7th and that his linemates were able to pile up points partially thanks to him creating the space by being the wrecking ball.

He makes me nervous at 6th, also. But it seems the consensus opinion is that he belongs right in that zone.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Leonard at 6 makes me nervous.

He was a distant 3rd in scoring among his linemates.

He passes the eye test. He ticks a lot of boxes. He just didn't rack up the ridiculous point totals that Smith and Perreault did. Did he get less PP time? I'm pretty ignorant on this topic.

I'm of the opinion that BA and his scouting group aren't looking at point totals first. They're looking at attitude, play style, and team orientation. They're very definitely old school guys who admire the size of a guy's lunch pail more than his star quality.

 

[hbk]

Leonard at 6 makes me nervous.

He was a distant 3rd in scoring among his linemates.

He passes the eye test. He ticks a lot of boxes. He just didn't rack up the ridiculous point totals that Smith and Perreault did. Did he get less PP time? I'm pretty ignorant on this topic.

I'm comfortable with Leonard. He does all the work and has a touch of Tkachuk play in him.

 

[rt]

I'm of the opinion that BA and his scouting group aren't looking at point totals first. They're looking at attitude, play style, and team orientation. They're very definitely old school guys who admire the size of a guy's lunch pail more than his star quality.

With Leonard you get a guy who brings all those intangibles, but also just put up a top ten all time goal scoring season at the program.

 

[rt]

I'm comfortable with Leonard. He does all the work and has a touch of Tkachuk play in him.

I’d still rather have Dvorsky. And there’s a decent shot BA is talking about the pair of them. I guess just like McKenzie, the Yotes expect the top five will go top five, and just like McKenzie they figure the next two off the board are Dvorsky and Leonard. BA knows they’ll go with one or the other or a faller, but doesn’t know which, so is comfortable speaking in general terms about multiple players in that zone.

If I had Dvorsky and Leonard in mind, but was trying to speak about them in a vague, non-specific way, I’d probably say what BA said. Most people don’t follow prospects that closely. And most of those that do, don’t listen to PHNX. So it’s probably a safe space for BA to drop hints without worry.

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

Thanks. I hope we get Dvorsky at 6. Haha. So if you don’t want him, so much the better! We’ll both be happy.

Haven’t finished watching all the players, but I have to think Dvorsky is a real good possibility here. When I first started watching, I have to admit I was very underwhelmed. Mind you this is purely based off what YouTube provides. When watching him I wasn’t sure what kind of upside to expect. Was thinking maybe Steen/Dvorak or maybe upper end Horvat. Not super sexy but by the time I was done, came alway so impressed with his defense and compete level. Decision makings good and while the skating isn’t elite I find he’s always in position. Shot is good. It’s heavy and while it may not pick corners I see it generating lots of rebounds. Looks like a BA player to me.

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

I'm of the opinion that BA and his scouting group aren't looking at point totals first. They're looking at attitude, play style, and team orientation. They're very definitely old school guys who admire the size of a guy's lunch pail more than his star quality.

Why I’m not scouting Michkov. Although his highlights are impressive! There’s a bunch of guys that fit that mold this year. The talent pool is insane this year,and it comes with character.