Dirty Old Man
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Yeah, for sure he's not Khruschchev or *shudder* Stalin.
Right back atcha, babe!I think you guys are absolutely cooked. Haha. But I love you anyway.
Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)
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We didn't have the opportunity to draft Crosby and Zetterberg wasn't a highly touted prospect. Those are also examples from damn near 20 years ago when we were a very different franchise and scouting wasn't as available as it is today, nor as good. I highly disagree with the bolded. Michkov is the only other player in this draft I'd be willing to potentially say is generational other than Bedard. The draft has literally been touted as Crosby and Ovechkin 2.0 for over a year.
I don't think it's weird to say that we regret not taking Marner over Strome, or Hughes over Hayton. Yes, these are made with hindsight and they aren't the end all be all, but that's the whole point, we can look back at the past with hindsight and see what happened. Nothing is guaranteed but from damn near every scout that has said what they think about his talent level they have him either 2nd or 3rd. Why the hell would we give the chance of drafting him at 7 or 12 up when that's the case? Because of speculation from biased sources? Because of the chance that he gets thrown in jail or the military and dies in Ukraine,? That he never comes over to play? Are those things possible? Sure! It's also possible that Bedard dies in a car crash tomorrow (1.35 million worldwide each year!), or that Fantilli gets Covid and is never the same hockey player again, or any other number of ridiculous things that could happen.
Not a single one of us has any idea what's going to happen in the future or can even make an educated guess. But we can make an educated guess about how a player's hockey career is going to path, so why aren't we relying on that? And in that metric Michkov is the 2nd best player in the draft in my opinion and in many others. There's already a TON of things that aren't guaranteed to happen with a hockey player, whether it be skating issues, or progression of their defense, or whatever, so I don't think throwing more shit into the pot and worrying about that is productive at all. At the end of the day even if things do end up like that we likely have his contract for 4 more years and his rights indefinitely.
I'd much rather have Michkov for 1 year after 4 years than have Cristall or anyone else in that range for 4 years after 4 years, as it is now.
Yes, if Michkov is still available at 12 you grab him, all politics aside.
Dirty Old Man
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And re: Michkov...as if on cue...
www.bbc.com
Why Putin cares about Russia's athletes competing abroad
A row is raging over Russians competing in the Olympics and Wimbledon. Why does Russia care so much?
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Almost none of this is relevant to Michkov...could pretty much literally just replace Russia with the US in this whole article. Nothing new here.And re: Michkov...as if on cue...
Why Putin cares about Russia's athletes competing abroad
A row is raging over Russians competing in the Olympics and Wimbledon. Why does Russia care so much?
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Because Fedotov played for CSKA Moscow.
Guys who play for CSKA Moscow are still technically part of the military (it hasn't changed since the Cold War) ... they just get deferrals because situations like the war in Ukraine right now, doesn't happen all that often.
Any other KHL player shouldn't have an issue leaving. They can leave through either Turkey, Dubai or Kazakhstan. There's a whole host of KHL guys visiting the UAE right now for vacation related reasons.
However, do I think Michkov would be stopped at the border if he were going to "travel" anywhere? At this point, yes. He has 3 years left on his contract with SKA St. Petersburg. Rottenberg (his HC and President of RHF) will find a way to keep him in Russia.
All that said, if Mich is available at 6, you have to take him. He's the 2nd best player in the draft and the 2nd coming of Ovechkin. It's worth the 3 year wait to draft a talent like him.
Plus, the 3 year wait coincides with the arena building process, so it would make for perfect timing if we draft Mich.
The NHL will give the teams the info. they have on players in Russia, and the teams will decide to take a gamble or not. I don't think the Coyote's will or should. The player we select will be needed in a year or two to help the rebuild, and by all accounts it is a very deep draft and this pick could be our best player. I don't take a gamble that it could be four years that this player comes over, or maybe never.
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Fedotov had fulfilled his contract with CSKA by the time he signed with PHI, didn't he?
It looks like the time Fedotov spent under contract to play for CSKA, even though "technically" considered a military contract, didn't count towards his mandatory year of military service, otherwise he wouldn't be serving it right now. I was trying to find an answer to that online and no one seems to know of any Russian laws covering this. Some say it counts, some say it's separate, some say it depends on the mood of the decision maker(s). Do you know anything about that?
No, Fedotov was still under contract with CSKA Moscow when he signed with Philly.
Fedotov got punished for trying to leave (read: desert). If he had been on any other team in the KHL, it wouldn't have been an issue. CSKA (read: the Government) punished him for attempting to leave and forced him to complete his military service. He couldn't use the university exemption (unlike Kaprizov and others who do) to get out of his military obligations.
If Fedotov was under contract he would not have been able to sign a contract with Philly, the agreement forbids it.
Arizonatah Coyetis
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I just read again that his KHL contract had been expired for a few months. I don't know what to believe.
I have no idea about his KHL deal but I have only read that the NHL will honor contracts which means he could not sign in Philly unless KHL deal was done.
Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
The articles I read say his KHL contract was up in April 2022, he signed with PHI in May, was apprehended and put into military service in June. That jives with the NHL rules and is two things that say he wasn't still under a KHL contract then.
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Two players in the NCAA crossed the 60pt threshold this season; Fantilli and Cooley. The last time a player hit 60pts in the NCAA was half a decade ago when a 21 year old Adam Gaudette did it, in his 3rd NCAA season post draft, with the number two scorer in the nation on his wing.
It would be very, very good to draft Fantilli and add him to Cooley and Keller on our franchise player list. These are special talents. I also have extremely high hopes for Guenther. I see that as a real shot at two elite Centers and two elite Wingers.
It would be very, very good to draft Fantilli and add him to Cooley and Keller on our franchise player list. These are special talents. I also have extremely high hopes for Guenther. I see that as a real shot at two elite Centers and two elite Wingers.
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So can we all shut up about Michkov not being able to leave Russia yet?
EDIT: So I can't find any information about the tournament but if he's playing against other countries teams it seems logical that he could go to those countries to play at some point.
What does that have to do with him having a KHL contract and not being able to break it? He is representing Russia in this event.
Those other Countries are all in bed with Russia and also suspended by IIHF. I don't think this is the smoking gun you do?
Dirty Old Man
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Lol. Unfortunately, no, looks like that tournament took place completely in Sochi last year, which is very much still in Russia. Am betting this years will be similar.
Liga Stavok Sochi Hockey Open 2022
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It takes place in the 3 Countries but they are all essentially the same in regards to defection. Plus there is still that pesky contract that the NHL has said they will honor.Lol. Unfortunately, no, looks like that tournament took place completely in Sochi last year, which is very much still in Russia. Am betting this years will be similar.
Liga Stavok Sochi Hockey Open 2022
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The summary of the story is that while he’s always the hardest working player on the ice, he’s also the hardest working player off the ice. And that there are no discernible flaws beyond being a short winger.
^ just a few snippets. The majority of the article is about his off-ice training and interviewing skating coaches and folks who run the extra camps he drives three hours to get to. Stuff like that. But it’s a paywall, so I just grabs a few shots of some of my favorite parts. It’s a long article. Read and subscribe. Yada yada.
^ just a few snippets. The majority of the article is about his off-ice training and interviewing skating coaches and folks who run the extra camps he drives three hours to get to. Stuff like that. But it’s a paywall, so I just grabs a few shots of some of my favorite parts. It’s a long article. Read and subscribe. Yada yada.
Bill didn't draft Keller or Maccelli, but he appreciates having them.
It would be fun having three lines all anchored by guys like that who can dominate puck possession.
It would be fun having three lines all anchored by guys like that who can dominate puck possession.
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And Cooley isn’t exactly big and tall. He’s not exactly short or small either. But I think he can make an exception for elite talent. And I think Benson is an elite talent.
I’m not a scout but I’ve been watching prospects for many years. This one looks special to me, for sure. I believe if he was two inches taller and literally nothing else was any different about him, he’d be challenging for 2nd overall on just about every list.
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