Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[hbk]

 

[Nowotny]

Michkov has elite talent. His KHL contract is for 2 more seasons. If they thought he would come over after that, I would take him at 6. 2 years in the KHL is not exactly terrible from a development perspective. It worked out fine for Kaprizov. I guess it comes down to the talent vs the risk of being able to bring him over.

Uncertainty about Russia can go in different directions.Putin may decide to tighten up screws even more and not allow Russian players to play here.Or Players (like Michkov) may start defecting and be available sooner.

 

[rt]

The Russian government cares about Michkov as much as the American government cares about Cooley.

 

[Jagged Ice]

The Russian government cares about Michkov as much as the American government cares about Cooley.

Would you gamble if Benson is gone?

 

[Jamieh]

The Russian government cares about Michkov as much as the American government cares about Cooley.

Give me an example like Fedotov in the US. You are not informed on this topic and while that's rare it's factual.

 

[hbk]

Uncertainty about Russia can go in different directions.Putin may decide to tighten up screws even more and not allow Russian players to play here.Or Players (like Michkov) may start defecting and be available sooner.

How do u defect with restrictions on Russian participation in travel tournaments. Guys like Mogilny were in Sweden when they defected. If they can’t leave country they are unlikely to be able to find a way to North America.

 

[Jamieh]

How do u defect with restrictions on Russian participation in travel tournaments. Guys like Mogilny were in Sweden when they defected. If they can’t leave country they are unlikely to be able to find a way to North America.

Not to mention it's a very different time and these players are wealthy in Russia. The rush to leave for many is not the same as decades ago. Mogilny moved back to Russia.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

The Russian government cares about Michkov as much as the American government cares about Cooley.

I think Putin does, actually. He has a hustory of using hockey in political ways.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Russia just passed electronic summons law that bars you from leaving the country.

I believe that only applies if you are subject to conscription. Is their a pro hockey player deferral?

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

f***ing All-Star! Lol

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I believe that only applies if you are subject to conscription. Is their a pro hockey player deferral?

Typically, yes. But then there's Ivan Fedotov who was nabbed before he could leave Russia for PHI before the start of this season. Last update I saw was that he is currently serving in Russia's Navy. Why no deferral for him? He had an NHL contract.

Ivan Fedotov: Russian hockey player detained in Russia for allegedly evading military service, per reports | CNN

 

[Jagged Ice]

f***ing All-Star! Lol

Putin and Heatley both f***ing All-Stars.
Goalie chose to let in eight goals or get thrown out a 10 story window.

 

[rt]

Would you gamble if Benson is gone?

Yes. I have Michkov 5th.

I’d just go off of my list, honestly. Don’t care about positions yet. I’m in asset piling mode

Bedard
Fantilli
Benson
Carlsson
Michkov
Smith
Reinbacher
Danielson
Barlow
Honzek
Yager
Moore

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

f***ing All-Star! Lol

Not sure what I was expecting, but pretty good release. The skating was worse than expected

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

I’m a bit out of tune with how to watch all these players. Is there a way to catch the rest of the CHL playoffs and this tournament?

 

[rt]

I think Putin does, actually. He has a hustory of using hockey in political ways.

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If he’s an arch-evil autocrat, who’s controlling everything and busy doing war crimes and mass murdering his own citizens all day and night, 365 as the US State Sponsored media very very very much wants all of us to believe deeply and be terrified of, then don’t you think he’s a little too busy to get a rats ass about some 17 year old hockey player?

There are only so many hours in the day and the man must sleep sometimes.

 

[rt]

I’m a bit out of tune with how to watch all these players. Is there a way to catch the rest of the CHL playoffs and this tournament?

You can buy a CHL playoff pass. The app is good and I like it. There’s illegal streams too but I need on-demand streaming. My schedule won’t allow for live viewing.

As for the u18s, it’s hit or miss. Sometimes it’s carried in the states and sometimes it’s not. Seemingly random by year. And it’s been that way forever. I’m pretty sure I remember watching Phil Kessel in that tournament. But last year it wasn’t available. Bizarre.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

If he’s an arch-evil autocrat, who’s controlling everything and busy doing war crimes and mass murdering his own citizens all day and night, 365 as the US State Sponsored media very very very much wants all of us to believe deeply and be terrified of, then don’t you think he’s a little too busy to get a rats ass about some 17 year old hockey player?

There are only so many hours in the day and the man must sleep sometimes.

Sports are a big, big deal for Putin, in addition to that already mentioned, he made sure he was prominently involved in the 2014 Winter Olympics, the 2018 World Cup, and the annual F1 Russian Grand Prix (in Sochi, on the grounds of where the Olympics were held, and pretty much Russia's only 'sea resort' until he snatched back Crimea)...

For years, I wanted to like the guy - he is a hockey guy - but he's....not a good person. And no, he's not too busy to give a rats ass about his country's possible next great athlete.

Ironically, for years in the US if you wanted to see and hear good things about Putin, you could watch a satellite TV station called 'RT' (Russia Today)....hmmmm, coincidence?

 

[Nowotny]

How do u defect with restrictions on Russian participation in travel tournaments. Guys like Mogilny were in Sweden when they defected. If they can’t leave country they are unlikely to be able to find a way to North America.

As bad as Putin Russia is you cannot compare it with Soviet Union.Soviet Union was guarding all Soviet borders,they had 250 000 active border troops with order to shoot to kill.Current Russia is a very corrupt country with huge,mostly unguarded borders.

 

[hbk]

I’m a bit out of tune with how to watch all these players. Is there a way to catch the rest of the CHL playoffs and this tournament?

CHLTV.

TSN will be televising u18’s in Canada.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

If he’s an arch-evil autocrat, who’s controlling everything and busy doing war crimes and mass murdering his own citizens all day and night, 365 as the US State Sponsored media very very very much wants all of us to believe deeply and be terrified of, then don’t you think he’s a little too busy to get a rats ass about some 17 year old hockey player?

There are only so many hours in the day and the man must sleep sometimes.

Obviously you're taking what people are really saying and blowing it up to sound even more suspect and in-line with your argument.

Do you believe that European media, including from former Soviet States, all collude to come up with the same fake message about Putin, based on what the US wants them to think? Heck, ask a Russian and even they'll tell you that Putin is a very dangerous man. He rules Russia exactly like you would expect an ex-Soviet era KGB officer to.

Edit: IF there was foul play in Michkov's father's death, I would say the conspiracy ends at the KHL related mafia in Russia. However, I can't completely write off the possibility that Putin does something makes it harder for players to leave Russia. Probable? I don't know, not really. Possible? Yes.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

You might not regret it right now, but you'll regret it 4 or 5 years from now. Probably sooner.

I guarantee you I wouldn't regret it, because I'm not a member of the Church of Michkov. Everyone's extrapolating greatness from this kid and he's never even played a minute on North American ice. Every single assessment of his skill and future is speculative.

Beyond that, every single year this franchise misses out on players in the draft that end up being stars or even superstars. Do you regret not having Henrik Zetterberg as a Coyote? Do you regret not having Sidney Crosby as a Coyote? If so, that's a pretty aggravating way to experience fandom.

Every draft pick is risky, that's not a point against drafting Michkov. Maximizing what you have? So then draft Michkov. Best player at the range we're at, period.

The only player I might have FOMO about is Bedard, and I've already resigned myself to not getting him. Everyone else in the range of our first pick is going to be in the same range of potential. Michkov is not generational enough of a player to justify the additional risks he represents.

If he's available in the late 1st round, I wouldn't mind at all packaging a bunch of our 2nds to trade up to get him. But our 1st and the Ottawa 1st should be spent on impact players with the lowest risk factors available.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I keep on flip-floppin'. I'm back to being ok with Michkov with the Ottawa pick, but not ours.

 

[hbk]

I guarantee you I wouldn't regret it, because I'm not a member of the Church of Michkov. Everyone's extrapolating greatness from this kid and he's never even played a minute on North American ice. Every single assessment of his skill and future is speculative.

Beyond that, every single year this franchise misses out on players in the draft that end up being stars or even superstars. Do you regret not having Henrik Zetterberg as a Coyote? Do you regret not having Sidney Crosby as a Coyote? If so, that's a pretty aggravating way to experience fandom.



The only player I might have FOMO about is Bedard, and I've already resigned myself to not getting him. Everyone else in the range of our first pick is going to be in the same range of potential. Michkov is not generational enough of a player to justify the additional risks he represents.

If he's available in the late 1st round, I wouldn't mind at all packaging a bunch of our 2nds to trade up to get him. But our 1st and the Ottawa 1st should be spent on impact players with the lowest risk factors available.

He outplayed Bedard at the 2021 U18s which was played on North American ice.

I believe in the talent. My only concerns about the player are all off-ice geopolitical bs which i wish wasn’t a factor but I can’t ignore reality.

 

[rt]

Obviously you're taking what people are really saying and blowing it up to sound even more suspect and in-line with your argument.

Do you believe that European media, including from former Soviet States, all collude to come up with the same fake message about Putin, based on what the US wants them to think? Heck, ask a Russian and even they'll tell you that Putin is a very dangerous man. He rules Russia exactly like you would expect an ex-Soviet era KGB officer to.

Edit: IF there was foul play in Michkov's father's death, I would say the conspiracy ends at the KHL related mafia in Russia. However, I can't completely write off the possibility that Putin does something makes it harder for players to leave Russia. Probable? I don't know, not really. Possible? Yes.

I think you guys are absolutely cooked. Haha. But I love you anyway.

I guarantee you I wouldn't regret it, because I'm not a member of the Church of Michkov. Everyone's extrapolating greatness from this kid and he's never even played a minute on North American ice. Every single assessment of his skill and future is speculative.

Beyond that, every single year this franchise misses out on players in the draft that end up being stars or even superstars. Do you regret not having Henrik Zetterberg as a Coyote? Do you regret not having Sidney Crosby as a Coyote? If so, that's a pretty aggravating way to experience fandom.



The only player I might have FOMO about is Bedard, and I've already resigned myself to not getting him. Everyone else in the range of our first pick is going to be in the same range of potential. Michkov is not generational enough of a player to justify the additional risks he represents.

If he's available in the late 1st round, I wouldn't mind at all packaging a bunch of our 2nds to trade up to get him. But our 1st and the Ottawa 1st should be spent on impact players with the lowest risk factors available.

I don’t think you’re looking at how unprecedented his production has been. Kid is top tier.