Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[PHX FireBirds18]

He’s a two way C who lacks true 1C upside.

Guess it’s hard for me to see ,because talent wise I like what I’m seeing. Is he done growing? I guess it’s not as obvious as players like Geekie and Honzek.

I have him 8th. Only Bedard, Fantilli, Benson, Carlsson, Michkov, Smith and Reinbacher…

I’m a huge fan.

Thanks for digging all that up for me. I still have more people to watch but I like what I’m seeing so far out of the second tier…

I'm watching more Danielson highlights now and he reminds me of Dylan Cozens. Not as big and not as fast but still decently big and decently fast. Very North-South. When I say North-South I don't mean power forward and I don't mean lacking in skill or vision. He's just focused on carrying the puck to the net. If he gets it there he might, shoot or deke or pass - not entirely predictable - but he really doesn't care about gaining the zone and finding the next wave of attack. He's all about the first wave….

Interesting that you mention that. Not to pick at your post,but I see a young player with good size that is relying on his strength and speed and stick handling to push the pace. I would of course need to see him play outside of highlights to judge wether he’s defaulting to his strengths always due to lack of reading the play. Or he’s just taking them because he can abuse it at his level. To me the hands are keeping up. The shot looks good. Looks great on the cycle. Almost reminds of a bigger Savoie when he winds up. The reports state he loves to pull up and draw people to him and look for the trailers and was used heavily for PP zone entries that were evident in the highlights. I’m excited for whomever we get.

 

[hbk]

Guess it’s hard for me to see ,because talent wise I like what I’m seeing. Is he done growing? I guess it’s not as obvious as players like Geekie and Honzek.

Thanks for digging all that up for me. I still have more people to watch but I like what I’m seeing so far out of the second tier…

Interesting that you mention that. Not to pick at your post,but I see a young player with good size that is relying on his strength and speed and stick handling to push the pace. I would of course need to see him play outside of highlights to judge wether he’s defaulting to his strengths always due to lack of reading the play. Or he’s just taking them because he can abuse it at his level. To me the hands are keeping up. The shot looks good. Looks great on the cycle. Almost reminds of a bigger Savoie when he winds up. The reports state he loves to pull up and draw people to him and look for the trailers and was used heavily for PP zone entries that were evident in the highlights. I’m excited for whomever we get.

At 12 i’m very interested in Danielson. At 6? It seems reminiscent of the Hayton pick.

 

[rt]

At 12 i’m very interested in Danielson. At 6? It seems reminiscent of the Hayton pick.

I think there are 9-10 guys I could convince myself to be immediately happy with at 6-7th overall. Without having to do any mental gymnastics:

Bedard
Fantilli
Benson
Carlsson
Michkov
Smith
Reinbacher
Danielson
Barlow

At 12, I’d be thrilled with:

Honzek
Yager
Moore
Ritchie

And pretty happy with:
Leonard
Dvorksy
Wood
Sale
Dragicevic
Heidt

^ so I guess that’s my top 20?

My dream is Benson with our pick and Danielson with Ottawa’s.

Would also be pretty amazing to win the lottery and take Fantilli at 2nd and then take Honzek with Ottawa’s pick.

 

[Freddy Sjostrom]

Just watched BA on PHNX, he talked about having two picks with the Blues in 2010- 14th overall C Jaden Schwartz and 16th overall RW Vladimir Tarasenko. Like rt alluded, two wingers may be unlikely, but a winger and adding to your center depth or defenseman would be a nice outcome.

 

[rt]

Just watched BA on PHNX, he talked about having two picks with the Blues in 2010- 14th overall C Jaden Schwartz and 16th overall RW Vladimir Tarasenko. Like rt alluded, two wingers may be unlikely, but a winger and adding to your center depth or defenseman would be a nice outcome.

I think Schwartz ended up a winger his whole career, though. Schwartz and Tarasenko sounds a lot like Benson and Honzek!

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

At 12 i’m very interested in Danielson. At 6? It seems reminiscent of the Hayton pick.

I’m very interested in Bedard at 1 and Danielson at 12…

 

[Freddy Sjostrom]

Central Scouting final rankings out today:

NA Skaters
Intl Skaters

Reinbacher moves ahead of ASP and Gulyayev. Wood and Leonard ahead of Benson. Dragicevic the top rated defenseman for NA at 18.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Someone please tell me how the Ice is losing the series...Yager/Korczak/Firkus have been really good and looks like an upset is in the making.

 

[hbk]

Someone please tell me how the Ice is losing the series...Yager/Korczak/Firkus have been really good and looks like an upset is in the making.

Shocking to me as well. Moose Jaw has played then tough all year.

 

[rt]

Someone please tell me how the Ice is losing the series...Yager/Korczak/Firkus have been really good and looks like an upset is in the making.

Just four assists for Yager tonight. No big deal. LOL.

 

[lanky]

Lambert 3.00 pts/gm
Bedard 2.85 pts/gm

 

[Zine]

Because Fedotov played for CSKA Moscow.

Guys who play for CSKA Moscow are still technically part of the military (it hasn't changed since the Cold War) ... they just get deferrals because situations like the war in Ukraine right now, doesn't happen all that often.

Any other KHL player shouldn't have an issue leaving. They can leave through either Turkey, Dubai or Kazakhstan. There's a whole host of KHL guys visiting the UAE right now for vacation related reasons.

However, do I think Michkov would be stopped at the border if he were going to "travel" anywhere? At this point, yes. He has 3 years left on his contract with SKA St. Petersburg. Rottenberg (his HC and President of RHF) will find a way to keep him in Russia.

All that said, if Mich is available at 6, you have to take him. He's the 2nd best player in the draft and the 2nd coming of Ovechkin. It's worth the 3 year wait to draft a talent like him.

Plus, the 3 year wait coincides with the arena building process, so it would make for perfect timing if we draft Mich.

Fedotov had fulfilled his contract with CSKA by the time he signed with PHI, didn't he?

It looks like the time Fedotov spent under contract to play for CSKA, even though "technically" considered a military contract, didn't count towards his mandatory year of military service, otherwise he wouldn't be serving it right now. I was trying to find an answer to that online and no one seems to know of any Russian laws covering this. Some say it counts, some say it's separate, some say it depends on the mood of the decision maker(s). Do you know anything about that?

Wow. Just wow


FYI... CSKA has no connection to the military these days. No hockey team does. Soviet and/or army team names were kept for tradition and historical purposes.

And Fedotov was conscripted because he was one of several players implicated in a scandal involving a corrupt official caught selling fake military IDs/deferments. His lawyer didn't even contest it in court.
Even so, his 'service' is a laugh. That's him (below) in a navy hockey league in St. Petersburgh.

I guarantee Putin isn't sitting around the war room thinking about hockey players, let alone killing their parents. lololololol
In no parallel universe is any player gonna be sent to Ukraine.
I mean have you considered why guys who escaped real tyranny in the USSR (Fedorov, Mogilny, Larionov, Fetisov) are choosing to be in Russia/KHL instead of the USA?

Point being - short of WW3 kicking off there's very little risk in drafting Michkov, other than his contract and a lack of development control.



Matros Vanya Fedotov says hello:

 

[Jakey53]

I think there are 9-10 guys I could convince myself to be immediately happy with at 6-7th overall. Without having to do any mental gymnastics:

Bedard
Fantilli
Benson
Carlsson
Michkov
Smith
Reinbacher
Danielson
Barlow

At 12, I’d be thrilled with:

Honzek
Yager
Moore
Ritchie

And pretty happy with:
Leonard
Dvorksy
Wood
Sale
Dragicevic
Heidt

^ so I guess that’s my top 20?

My dream is Benson with our pick and Danielson with Ottawa’s.

Would also be pretty amazing to win the lottery and take Fantilli at 2nd and then take Honzek with Ottawa’s pick.

Who would you pick if Benson or Michkov were still on the board.

 

[Jakey53]

Wow. Just wow


FYI... CSKA has no connection to the military these days. No hockey team does. Soviet and/or army team names were kept for tradition and historical purposes.

And Fedotov was conscripted because he was one of several players implicated in a scandal involving a corrupt official caught selling fake military IDs/deferments. His lawyer didn't even contest it in court.
Even so, his 'service' is a laugh. That's him (below) in a navy hockey league in St. Petersburgh.

I guarantee Putin isn't sitting around the war room thinking about hockey players, let alone killing their parents. lololololol
In no parallel universe is any player gonna be sent to Ukraine.
I mean have you considered why guys who escaped real tyranny in the USSR (Fedorov, Mogilny, Larionov, Fetisov) are choosing to be in Russia/KHL instead of the USA?

Point being - short of WW3 kicking off there's very little risk in drafting Michkov, other than his contract and a lack of development control.



Matros Vanya Fedotov says hello:

So, if what you are saying is true, Michkov should probably go second or third in the draft? IF Michkov does drop, there may be more to this than what you are saying.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

FYI... CSKA has no connection to the military these days. No hockey team does. Soviet and/or army team names were kept for tradition and historical purposes.

FYI... CSKA is owned by Rosneft, Russia's biggest oil company, which is majority owned by the Russian Government (which definitely has a connection to the military) and whose CEO, Igor Sechin, is a longtime ally of Vladimir Putin. So "Wow, just wow" and "lololol" all you want, but your statement is incorrect.

And Fedotov was conscripted because he was one of several players implicated in a scandal involving a corrupt official caught selling fake military IDs/deferments. His lawyer didn't even contest it in court.
Even so, his 'service' is a laugh. That's him (below) in a navy hockey league in St. Petersburgh.

"Everyone between the ages 18 and 27 must compete one year of army service if they are conscripted, not everyone is called up and there is an arbitrariness around who is and when."

"Exemptions are frequently made for the elite and politically connected, while others may offer bribes. Hockey managers who are motivated to protect their players could simply phone a contract to make a request."

"Conversely, Krevenko said, if a player has fallen out of favor, hockey officials could request that he be conscripted."

- As per Sergey Krivenko, Director of the Moscow based, non-governmental human rights organization 'Citizen' that advises soldiers and their families on the rules of conscription.​

I guarantee Putin isn't sitting around the war room thinking about hockey players, let alone killing their parents. lololololol
In no parallel universe is any player gonna be sent to Ukraine.
I mean have you considered why guys who escaped real tyranny in the USSR (Fedorov, Mogilny, Larionov, Fetisov) are choosing to be in Russia/KHL instead of the USA?

"But Russian conscription experts say Fedotov is being punished for his NHL ambitions and desire to leave Russia at a time when it's relations with the West are dismal and it's political leaders are demanding unreserved loyalty and patriotism from citizens."

I haven't heard anyone suggest that he'd actually end up in Ukraine. Just ways that Russia can make it harder for players to leave for the NHL.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-hockey-player-conscription-nhl-1.6548030

Sergei Krivenko Archives - Rights in Russia

 

[rt]

FYI... CSKA is owned by Rosneft, Russia's biggest oil company, which is majority owned by the Russian Government (which definitely has a connection to the military) and whose CEO, Igor Sechin, is a longtime ally of Vladimir Putin. So "Wow, just wow" and "lololol" all you want, but your statement is incorrect.


"Everyone between the ages 18 and 27 must compete one year of army service if they are conscripted, not everyone is called up and there is an arbitrariness around who is and when."

"Exemptions are frequently made for the elite and politically connected, while others may offer bribes. Hockey managers who are motivated to protect their players could simply phone a contract to make a request."

"Conversely, Krevenko said, if a player has fallen out of favor, hockey officials could request that he be conscripted."

- As per Sergey Krivenko, Director of the Moscow based, non-governmental human rights organization 'Citizen' that advises soldiers and their families on the rules of conscription.​

"But Russian conscription experts say Fedotov is being punished for his NHL ambitions and desire to leave Russia at a time when it's relations with the West are dismal and it's political leaders are demanding unreserved loyalty and patriotism from citizens."

I haven't heard anyone suggest that he'd actually end up in Ukraine. Just ways that Russia can make it harder for players to leave for the NHL.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-hockey-player-conscription-nhl-1.6548030

Sergei Krivenko Archives - Rights in Russia

Didn’t CBC get like 1 Billion Dollars (Dr. Evil pinky face) from the Canadian government?

Feels like something that would produce exclusively 100% propaganda, right?

I don’t care about Russia enough to argue. And as everyone can plainly see, I’m wholly ignorant on the topic. But I’m not going to accept what government media outlets have to say about any of it. No more than I’d listen to Russian state media.

Seems like it’s just Baghdad Bob’s everywhere on all sides. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago we were all laughing at Baghdad Bob. Blissfully unaware that we were careening toward a dystopian near future where he would soon become the baseline expectation for all public relations, across the board.

 

[Jamieh]

Didn’t CBC get like 1 Billion Dollars (Dr. Evil pinky face) from the Canadian government?

Feels like something that would produce exclusively 100% propaganda, right?

I don’t care about Russia enough to argue. And as everyone can plainly see, I’m wholly ignorant on the topic. But I’m not going to accept what government media outlets have to say about any of it. No more than I’d listen to Russian state media.

Seems like it’s just Baghdad Bob’s everywhere on all sides. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago we were all laughing at Baghdad Bob. Blissfully unaware that we were careening toward a dystopian near future where he would soon become the baseline expectation for all public relations, across the board.

I think current finding is around $1.2 billion annually from Canadian Govt to CBC.

 

[hbk]

Didn’t CBC get like 1 Billion Dollars (Dr. Evil pinky face) from the Canadian government?

Feels like something that would produce exclusively 100% propaganda, right?

I don’t care about Russia enough to argue. And as everyone can plainly see, I’m wholly ignorant on the topic. But I’m not going to accept what government media outlets have to say about any of it. No more than I’d listen to Russian state media.

Seems like it’s just Baghdad Bob’s everywhere on all sides. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago we were all laughing at Baghdad Bob. Blissfully unaware that we were careening toward a dystopian near future where he would soon become the baseline expectation for all public relations, across the board.

some of us in Canada would argue that CBC has been bribed to solely work on keeping the Trudeau Liberal government in power.

I just think CBC is genuinely uninformed in general on most subjects to provide an appropriate opinion. That's the case with most media outlets these days where the Ron Burgandy style of broadcasting involves simply reading what is on the teleprompter instead of having any deep insight on any particular issue.

 

[Jamieh]

some of us in Canada would argue that CBC has been bribed to solely work on keeping the Trudeau Liberal government in power.

I just think CBC is genuinely uninformed in general on most subjects to provide an appropriate opinion. That's the case with most media outlets these days where the Ron Burgandy style of broadcasting involves simply reading what is on the teleprompter instead of having any deep insight on any particular issue.

Rosemary Barton is the head cheerleader of the Trudeau fanclub!!!

 

[rt]

some of us in Canada would argue that CBC has been bribed to solely work on keeping the Trudeau Liberal government in power.

I just think CBC is genuinely uninformed in general on most subjects to provide an appropriate opinion. That's the case with most media outlets these days where the Ron Burgandy style of broadcasting involves simply reading what is on the teleprompter instead of having any deep insight on any particular issue.

Weaponized incompetence? Been working for bad boyfriends for decades. Maybe the latest great strategy of state media. Hahaha.

 

[hbk]

Rosemary Barton is the head cheerleader of the Trudeau fanclub!!!

considering she sued the Conservatives during the middle of an election it's hard to not believe that she has a bias.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

@rt I used CBC for quotes from Sergei Krivenko only. Then, I did research to make sure Sergey Krivenko existed and that he is what he was claimed to be.

Look at the second link and you'll see he is very involved in Russian human rights. I guess CBC could've made up the quotes, but not likely since he could sue their asses off.

 

[rt]

Yeah, like I said, I don’t know anything about any of this. I’ll try to stick to my actual point from here on out: I’m not scared to draft Michkov, but he’s a little lower on my list (5th instead of 3rd) because of all of this uncertainty.

 

[hbk]

Yeah, like I said, I don’t know anything about any of this. I’ll try to stick to my actual point from here on out: I’m not scared to draft Michkov, but he’s a little lower on my list (5th instead of 3rd) because of all of this uncertainty.

I think if we want Mitchkov (and believe me I do) then we need to be prepared to take him at 6-8 ahead of Washington.

 

[rt]

I think if we want Mitchkov (and believe me I do) then we need to be prepared to take him at 6-8 ahead of Washington.

I’d be thrilled.