Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I think if we want Mitchkov (and believe me I do) then we need to be prepared to take him at 6-8 ahead of Washington.

I think so too. I'm not against it. I want Michkov since we can't get Bedard or Fantilli, I just wish on a star that it didn't have to be with our pick (pipe dream.) The things I mention are a bit of a concern as small possibilities, veeerrry far from being probabilities. It's just that this draft is so important.

I think the 3 year wait and what could happen in between concerns me more than anything else.

 

[Schemp]

Russians don't like Arizona

 

[hbk]

Russians don't like Arizona

they have a fantastic time at the bar is what I heard.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Russians don't like Arizona

We have bears, too

 

[Edenjung]

Can't we just clone mario Lemieux?

 

[Zine]

FYI... CSKA is owned by Rosneft, Russia's biggest oil company, which is majority owned by the Russian Government (which definitely has a connection to the military) and whose CEO, Igor Sechin, is a longtime ally of Vladimir Putin. So "Wow, just wow" and "lololol" all you want, but your statement is incorrect.


"Everyone between the ages 18 and 27 must compete one year of army service if they are conscripted, not everyone is called up and there is an arbitrariness around who is and when."

"Exemptions are frequently made for the elite and politically connected, while others may offer bribes. Hockey managers who are motivated to protect their players could simply phone a contract to make a request."

"Conversely, Krevenko said, if a player has fallen out of favor, hockey officials could request that he be conscripted."

- As per Sergey Krivenko, Director of the Moscow based, non-governmental human rights organization 'Citizen' that advises soldiers and their families on the rules of conscription.​

"But Russian conscription experts say Fedotov is being punished for his NHL ambitions and desire to leave Russia at a time when it's relations with the West are dismal and it's political leaders are demanding unreserved loyalty and patriotism from citizens."

I haven't heard anyone suggest that he'd actually end up in Ukraine. Just ways that Russia can make it harder for players to leave for the NHL.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-hockey-player-conscription-nhl-1.6548030

Sergei Krivenko Archives - Rights in Russia

The irony of NA hockey fans lecturing Russians about Russia; linking english blogs or CBC articles involving hand-chosen "experts!!!". *sigh*

I don't wanna get too off topic, but......
Americans too frequently view events through an all or nothing/black and white prism. But Russia is a giant gray-zone where one needs to be aware, astute and perceptive to subtleties to understand whats possible and what is not. Just because something occurs in one situation doesn't mean it can occur in another.

For the millionth time, CSKA is NOT connected to the military. Being a player of CSKA does not make you a military man. CSKA is Rosneft funded, but this is not the same thing as the army. Sechin has nothing to do with the running of CSKA. That's Esmantovich's deal.

And of course KHL teams have the 'pull' to make conscription officers look the other way. But it is not absolute in any way. A player is still a complete idiot if he does not get a deferment himself; which isn't difficult.
BTW, the last player to be conscripted was Averin like 14 years ago. He was also caught up in a scandal. Yet he had no intentions of the NHL.

So let me get this right.....
Because Fedotov signed with Philly, CSKA concocted a scandal involving a corrupt military officer in Ufa, several KHLers who were arrested, Salavat Yulayev and the court system, just to get at Fedotov? Not to mention all other players who want to leave CSKA have been able to? Yea okay, Ace,

And now the "red scare" is so outrageous people and news outlets think Michkov's dad was killed by authorities? I can't even....




Again, there is very little risk in drafting Michkov. other than NHL teams falling prey to modern-day McCarthyism mentality. Russian propaganda is atrocious, but so is the West's. Its can't believe people on both sides are so unworldly that they fall for such sensationalisms.

I'm done. We're off topic and my head hurts from the tribalism, stupidity and propaganda. Continue as you please.

 

[Schemp]

The irony of NA hockey fans lecturing Russians about Russia; linking english blogs or CBC articles involving hand-chosen "experts!!!". *sigh*

I don't wanna get too off topic, but......
Americans too frequently view events through an all or nothing/black and white prism. But Russia is a giant gray-zone where one needs to be aware, astute and perceptive to subtleties to understand whats possible and what is not. Just because something occurs in one situation doesn't mean it can occur in another.

For the millionth time, CSKA is NOT connected to the military. Being a player of CSKA does not make you a military man. CSKA is Rosneft funded, but this is not the same thing as the army. Sechin has nothing to do with the running of CSKA. That's Esmantovich's deal.

And of course KHL teams have the 'pull' to make conscription officers look the other way. But it is not absolute in any way. A player is still a complete idiot if he does not get a deferment himself; which isn't difficult.
BTW, the last player to be conscripted was Averin like 14 years ago. He was also caught up in a scandal. Yet he had no intentions of the NHL.

So let me get this right.....
Because Fedotov signed with Philly, CSKA concocted a scandal involving a corrupt military officer in Ufa, several KHLers who were arrested, Salavat Yulayev and the court system, just to get at Fedotov? Not to mention all other players who want to leave CSKA have been able to? Yea okay, Ace,

And now the "red scare" is so outrageous people and news outlets think Michkov's dad was killed by authorities? I can't even....




Again, there is very little risk in drafting Michkov. other than NHL teams falling prey to modern-day McCarthyism mentality. Russian propaganda is atrocious, but so is the West's. Its can't believe people on both sides are so unworldly that they fall for such sensationalisms.

I'm done. We're off topic and my head hurts from the tribalism, stupidity and propaganda. Continue as you please.

I just think that Russians don't like the desert. The lack of any kind of a Russian community here doesn't help either.

 

[Edenjung]

Well russia is a Land of contrast.
On one Side you have cold areas and then in the southern parts of the east you have deserts (two of them).

Regarding the russian Community and the Lack thereof. Well that might be a benefit, getting tonknow new people, Not being under the scroutiny of Other russians and so on.

Maybe its what He needs.
When i was living and working in (on?) Iceland for a year, i did Not have a German Community or German soeakin people around. And i was alone in the Winter (Just me and a Warehouse full of old Cars and my ATV to get me to Work ) but i enjoyed it.
Helped me get a new perspective on my live. Helped me become Independent and get Out of my Shell. Without me having to get along with my coworkers i would Not have gotten out much and Made the experiences i have.

I was 19 Back then (damn now i feel old).
That was 6 years ago........

 

[Jakey53]

The irony of NA hockey fans lecturing Russians about Russia; linking english blogs or CBC articles involving hand-chosen "experts!!!". *sigh*

I don't wanna get too off topic, but......
Americans too frequently view events through an all or nothing/black and white prism. But Russia is a giant gray-zone where one needs to be aware, astute and perceptive to subtleties to understand whats possible and what is not. Just because something occurs in one situation doesn't mean it can occur in another.

For the millionth time, CSKA is NOT connected to the military. Being a player of CSKA does not make you a military man. CSKA is Rosneft funded, but this is not the same thing as the army. Sechin has nothing to do with the running of CSKA. That's Esmantovich's deal.

And of course KHL teams have the 'pull' to make conscription officers look the other way. But it is not absolute in any way. A player is still a complete idiot if he does not get a deferment himself; which isn't difficult.
BTW, the last player to be conscripted was Averin like 14 years ago. He was also caught up in a scandal. Yet he had no intentions of the NHL.

So let me get this right.....
Because Fedotov signed with Philly, CSKA concocted a scandal involving a corrupt military officer in Ufa, several KHLers who were arrested, Salavat Yulayev and the court system, just to get at Fedotov? Not to mention all other players who want to leave CSKA have been able to? Yea okay, Ace,

And now the "red scare" is so outrageous people and news outlets think Michkov's dad was killed by authorities? I can't even....




Again, there is very little risk in drafting Michkov. other than NHL teams falling prey to modern-day McCarthyism mentality. Russian propaganda is atrocious, but so is the West's. Its can't believe people on both sides are so unworldly that they fall for such sensationalisms.

I'm done. We're off topic and my head hurts from the tribalism, stupidity and propaganda. Continue as you please.

Stupidity? Yup, that's us alright. We have a brain, but continue to not use it. We believe in everything we read or hear because of stupidity. We keep on getting misinformation which is full of the ever popular "fear factor", and we believe it hook, line and sinker.

 

[hbk]

Large contingent of Coyotes scouts at Moose Jaw Ice game tonight.

 

[Heldig]

At 12 i’m very interested in Danielson. At 6? It seems reminiscent of the Hayton pick.

Not enough upside at 6 with others on the board.

 

[Llewzaher]

some of us in Canada would argue that CBC has been bribed to solely work on keeping the Trudeau Liberal government in power.

I just think CBC is genuinely uninformed in general on most subjects to provide an appropriate opinion. That's the case with most media outlets these days where the Ron Burgandy style of broadcasting involves simply reading what is on the teleprompter instead of having any deep insight on any particular issue.

Yeah … report the news …. Don’t give us a narrative

CBC the worst .. though other news outlets aren’t far behind.

 

[Jagged Ice]

Russian propaganda is atrocious, but so is the West's. I can't believe people on both sides are so unworldly that they fall for such sensationalisms.

So true.

 

[lanky]

Yeah … report the news …. Don’t give us a narrative

CBC the worst .. though other news outlets aren’t far behind.

I'm a well educated Canadian adult. Until a couple years ago I thought CBC reporting was free of corporate and government influence. I then realized how wrong I was.

 

[Jamieh]

I'm a well educated Canadian adult. Until a couple years ago I thought CBC reporting was free of corporate and government influence. I then realized how wrong I was.

Chief Spence of Attiwapiscat was a major eye opener for me. CBC had her for Sainthood while reality had her bleeding the Band dry.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

But Russia is a giant gray-zone where one needs to be aware, astute and perceptive to subtleties to understand whats possible and what is not. Just because something occurs in one situation doesn't mean it can occur in another.

You're misunderstanding me and my levels of concern with drafting Russian players and I can understand why. I've mentioned concerns, but not how likely I think they are of coming true. I'm also getting lumped in with things others have said, that I actually disagree with, like the Kremlin killing Michkov's father.

I actually hope to get Michkov, I'm just not 100% comfortable with it because Russia is a "gray-zone" like you said that leaves open the potential for anything. It's also in a war that sounds like it is about to escalate big time with a rumored Ukrainian offensive on Crimea once the land dries out after the winter thaw.

I do have Russian friends that are still in contact with their family in Russia every two weeks via Skype and some others that travel back home to Siberia about every 5 years or so. We've asked them lots of questions on what life is like in Russia, they enjoy talking about their homeland, and so western media isn't my only source of information.

As one of my friends puts it, things in Russia can be a bit "shady." They don't disagree with the western media's take as much as you imply they would, not that they agree with all of it, of course. That doesn't prove anything though, maybe just that Russians have different opinions on Russia too.

 

[lanky]

Large contingent of Coyotes scouts at Moose Jaw Ice game tonight.

What did you think of that OT penalty call?
Seemed like a cross check to me but I only watched overtime and missed the context of the way the rest of the game was called.

 

[rt]

Not enough upside at 6 with others on the board.

I think he has tremendous upside. What have you seen in his game that makes you think he has limited upside?

 

[hbk]

What did you think of that OT penalty call?
Seemed like a cross check to me but I only watched overtime and missed the context of the way the rest of the game was called.

It’s the olayoffs. It’s rare u get a call in OT but they did. As someone who could barely keep his eyes open at that point i was happy it ended early.

 

[Heldig]

I think he has tremendous upside. What have you seen in his game that makes you think he has limited upside?

Not really a knock on DANIELSON. At 6 there will be much higher skilled guys still on the board (Smith, Benson or Moore could be available still).

That said, my viewings are limited and based mostly on reading scouting reports.

It’s the olayoffs. It’s rare u get a call in OT but they did. As someone who could barely keep his eyes open at that point i was happy it ended early.

How did Geekie do?

 

[hbk]

U18s on TSN. Pelika w 3 points already in a route over canada (5-0 in 1st so far).

 

[Freddy Sjostrom]

Interesting Wood opens on the third line for Canada. Barlow has a chance to improve his stock playing with those playmakers. ASP looks like vintage Soda.

 

[lanky]

Heidt was eliminated from the WHL playoffs last night. I wonder if he gets on a plane to join Team Canada.

 

[Sinurgy]

I think if we want Mitchkov (and believe me I do) then we need to be prepared to take him at 6-8 ahead of Washington.

Yeah I can't believe there's any scenario where he slips past Washington. Them missing the playoffs immediately ruined any chances, slight as they were, of Michkov sliding down to the Ottawa pick. It's #6 or no Michkov...I'm pretty torn there. The uncertainty combined with Coyotes legendary knack for having things not go their way makes me think they should stay away from him but then again they also are completely incompetent at tanking so this is pretty much the only way they'll ever score a franchise level talent. It's the typical Coyote Conundrum!

 

[Nagatoarek]

Funnily enough Leo Carlsson has finally gotten to play center... For the Three Crowns. Ended up playing as a 1C last against Norway. Hallam the coach is a fan of his. Not a junior team, but the actual national team.