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Barry Amsterdam said:
Benson gives me major Point vibes. If we grab a forward and he’s there i think he’s someone SY will go for
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I do like Benson but he's a player that I think will take a REALLY long time to fully develop. And part of the benefit of picking in the top 10 is getting a guy that's ready to contribute in 2 or 3years.
 
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superdeluxe said:
That is my guess, but Seattle also has a couple of guys rating in the 2nd round (Sawchyn/Myotovic/Mynio) and overager guys like Milic.
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Milic and Mynio are too small for Yzerman's liking. Sawchyn is what the doctor ordered.
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Interesting that Yzerman and Draper were present again in WHL game. I can't remember hearing Yzerman being in OHL or QMJHL games this year.
 
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SantosHalper said:
Milic and Mynio are too small for Yzerman's liking. Sawchyn is what the doctor ordered.
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Interesting that Yzerman and Draper were present again in WHL game. I can't remember hearing Yzerman being in OHL or QMJHL games this year.
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Ahh. Maybe Ratzlaff? He has a bit more h eight than Milic But Sawchyn would be a good fit for Detroit in the 2nd.
 
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Write-up (with grades from 1/unacceptable to 9/exceptional) on David Reinbacher by Bernd Freimüller, former Atlanta Thrashers scout:

Skating:

"Reinbacher is already an excellent skater (and not just 'for his size') and will of course continue to gain leg strength in the years to come. Skating comes easy for him and even at the end of his shifts there's no observable drop in quality. Gets away and out of tight situations quickly, can explode from the defensive zone and carry the puck forward.

Excellent transition from forward to backward skating. Creates separation with quick, small steps, especially moving backwards, and thus offers passing options for his teammates. Can play the entire blue line on the powerplay, powerful and quick moves from the boards to the center and back."

Acceleration, agility and speed allow him to play on large areas of the ice and quickly get back in position. When possession is lost in the offensive zone, he can catch up with or at least slow down breakaways and odd man rushes. Plays a narrow gap, rather too aggressive than too far from the man – his footwork once again allows him to make corrections at any time."

NHL upside: 8.5

With the puck

"Can move the puck the other way quickly, carry it out under pressure and drive the game forward with passes. Can play through passes to breaking forwards as well as cross passes in order to pull opponent's structure apart. His passes are sharp and accurate. Prefers to pass tape-on-tape than to open space.

Creates space for himself with head fakes and small dekes. On the powerplay he has the composure and calmness to wait for shooting lines to open up and to find better angles for himself and his teammates. Can serve both halfwalls equally. Often activates from the blue line to the faceoff circle, occasionally even beyond. Active footwork, but not constantly roving like Cale Makar.

His shot is on target and easy to deflect, but is not necessarily his greatest strength as of now. His points mostly come from puckmoving, assists to the boards, or when he finds gaps and attacks them. His offensive potential at the NHL level could lie between David Jiricek (bomb of a shot) and Simon Nemec (clever puck mover)."

NHL upside: 8

Hockey sense

"Processes the game like a 35-year-old veteran. If you don't get the information he's just 18 in advance, you couldn't possible spot it on the ice. Absolutely no panic in his game, is a 'head-up guy' who is isn't surprised by any development in the game. In case he or a teammate makes a mistake, he doesn't tend to run wild or chase the puck, but instead he drifts to the middle of the ice and doesn't open additional holes.

Can take risks with the puck disc without getting burned, excellent at turning away from forecheckers under pressure. Puck coverage and puck managment under pressure is well above average. Neither a riverboat gambler with the puck nor a conservative defender, carries the puck or follows offensive rushes when opportunity knocks."

NHL upside: 8.5

Physical play

"Probably won't become a punishing D man, but a very effective two-way defenceman. Defends primarily with footwork and a long, very quick stick. Has the power to block an opponent's torso with one hand and go for the puck with the other hand. Wins pucks this way and can pass them quickly from tight positions and through the small spaces between opponent and boards. Occassionally a little off balance when he's poke checking too actively. Rather beats opponents with many stick lifts than with excessive physical effort.

Doesn't seek open ice hits, but is very effective at closing lanes, can suffocate opponents along the board this way. Footwork and stickwork do the defensive work and allow him to evade clashes with players that are still physically stronger. Reduces and eliminates small gaps to opponents with footwork or active stick.

Currently listed at 1.89 meters (6.2 feet) and 85 kilos (187 pounds), but has just gone through another growth spurt. Has potential for 6.3/200 defender."

NHL upside: 7.5

Leadership qualities

"Already a leading player with both his club and the national team, Austria's most well-rounded defender. Able to take a lot of ice time, doesn't shy away from it and is never overwhelmed by the demands. Currently not used on the PK by Team Austria, but in all other situations and first choice on powerplay.

Off the ice an excellt mix of modesty and confidence in his qualities. When talking with him longtime NHL player Ladislav Smid at the same age came to my mind. Has a hockey background (father and older brother also played), is very clear in his demeanor and game, much more mature off and on the ice than the average 18 year old.

Should gradually grow into leadership roles at the NHL level as well, but primarily through contributions on the ice. Perhaps not a vocal leader, but a 'leader by example.'"

NHL upside: 8

NHL potential

"Impact player, has some exceptional qualities that allow him to decide games for his team. Plays in all game situations and has a positive impact. Absent major injuries or setbacks and under normal development, Reinbacher has the potential to be a top two defender on an NHL team and be a fixture on the PP (first or second pairing, depending on team depth).

Doesn't have big holes in his game and checks all the boxes: height, skating, game intelligence, play with the puck and leadership. Reminds of similar types of players that mainly Sweden produced over the years.

Right-handed shooter and late 2004 born. If Jiricek and Nemec would be in the same draft, that would be his neighbourhood. Jiricek brings more physical punch and shooting power, but Nemec would perhaps be a good comparison."

Original source in German: David Reinbacher: So hoch ist das NHL-Potential des ÖEHV-Juwels
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The TLDR is that Reinbacher is realgud.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
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The TLDR is that Reinbacher is realgud.
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I don’t think he makes it to 9, but if he did, it’d be hard to pass on him. As much as I want a forward, the thought of a top 4 of Wallinder, Seider, Edvinsson, and Reinbacher is just so sexy.

Barry Amsterdam said:
Benson gives me major Point vibes. If we grab a forward and he’s there i think he’s someone SY will go for
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Benson gives me Keller vibes.
 
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Reddwit said:
I don’t think he makes it to 9, but if he did, it’d be hard to pass on him. As much as I want a forward, the thought of a top 4 of Wallinder, Seider, Edvinsson, and Reinbacher is just so sexy.



Benson gives me Keller vibes.
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I think Reinbacher is gone between 5 and 7.

Montreal - Smith or Reinbacher
Arizona - Reinbacher or Smith
Philadelphia - Reinbacher or Leonard

I think Washington looks more at scoring forwards to replace their big guys. They’re less likely to be in on Reinbacher in my opinion. But I can see them doing Benson or Dvorsky.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I do like Benson but he's a player that I think will take a REALLY long time to fully develop. And part of the benefit of picking in the top 10 is getting a guy that's ready to contribute in 2 or 3years.
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My expectations for Benson 3-4 years when he is 21-22 year old . He might be available at 9 because he is undersized wing, but he is projected to be elite player and we might regret in 5 years if we don't take him. Zadina vs Hughes ? Or Bouchard , he was linked to Detroit, some here also liked Dobson
 
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lilidk said:
My expectations for Benson 3-4 years when he is 21-22 year old . He might be available at 9 because he is undersized wing, but he is projected to be elite player and we might regret in 5 years if we don't take him. Zadina vs Hughes ? Or Bouchard , he was linked to Detroit, some here also liked Dobson
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I’ve talked myself into liking Benson if my top 3 choices at 9 are gone.

If he can be a Clayton Keller or Kevin Fiala (with defense) level winger that is a huge win. I just wish we had that level of player right now and not 4 years from now.
 
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