2023 Draft Discussion

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I still think if Danielson was the same player but Swedish this board would love him. Just pretend guys, his last name sounds Swedish pretty much anyways.

I’ll also argue that looking at his stats lacks context in this case because his team was shit. He led his team in points. He was over a ppg last year in his - season. He’s been a consistently productive player for 2 years now despite not having as much help as a lot of other forwards we are trying to compare him to.

These are facts, Danielson is one "s" away from being a Hakan steal at #9.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Heidt at 17 will take care of those pesky 2C needs. 9 can be used for a top flight winger or D. No worries

 

[jfrank21]

These are facts, Danielson is one "s" away from being a Hakan steal at #9.

If by #9 you mean #17 then sure! What a steal

 

[HisNoodliness]

These are facts, Danielson is one "s" away from being a Hakan steal at #9.

I will admit that I've seen someone call him the Karate Kid and I would love to have him for that reason alone. That's a top tier nickname.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

If by #9 you mean #17 then sure! What a steal

I would be fine with him a #9, love his game.

The Karate Kid is going to land in my top 10 on my personal board.

 

[Vector Cereal]

I think there is a board consensus for three scenarios of 1) two forwards, 2) defense then forward, or 3) forward then defense. Defense first is likely Reinbacher or ASP, and defense second is likely Willander (assuming we go right handed D and not a guy like Simashev).

There's also a decent consensus on the group of players who are fairly likely to go top 16:
Starting with Bob's list we have:
1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Smith
4. Carlsson
5. Michkov
6. Dvorsky
7. Leonard
8. Benson
9. Perrault
10. Reinbacher
11. Barlow
12. Wood
Then filling in other popular names in no real order:
13. ASP
14. Danielson
15. Moore
16. Yager
Post consensus names that are usually included in somebody's top 20:
17. Sale
18. Honzek
19. Willander
20. Stenberg
21. Heidt
22. Musty
23. Simashev
24. But

From here I think it's fair to project that options 1, 2, and 3 could look like:
1) Leonard/Perrault/Barlow + Yager/Sale/Honzek
2) Reinbacher/ASP + Yager/Sale/Honzek
3) Leonard/Perrault/Barlow + Willander

Projecting the roster 3-5 years you get:
Option 1)
Leonard/Perrault/Barlow Larkin Raymond
Yager/Sale/Honzek Kasper Berggren
Ras Copp Mazur
Soderblom Veleno Zadina

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Wallinder
Johansson Chiarot

Option 2)
Yager/Sale/Honzek Larkin Raymond
Ras Kasper Berggren
Soderblom Copp Mazur
Lombardi Veleno Zadina

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Reinbacher/ASP
Wallinder Chiarot

Option 3)
Leonard/Perrault/Barlow Larkin Raymond
Ras Kasper Berggren
Soderblom Copp Mazur
Lombardi Veleno Zadina

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Chiarot
Wallinder Willander

Then, in more promising organizational depth: at forward you have Lombardi, Hanas, Buchnevich, and James; at defense you have Johansson, Buium, Sebrango, McIsaac, Viro...Tuomisto?. As well as whoever we take with the 3 2nds this year.

So considering the prospect depth, where the holes are in the above lineups and how hard it is to fill each of those holes, what option looks best to everyone and does it change how you wanted the Wings to draft?

I think I like options one or two the best. One could give some nice offensive firepower, especially if Reinbacher goes early and 2-3 of ASP, Willander, or Simashev go before pick 17, pushing back a Barlow/Wood/Danielson. Option one gives us a solid D core, even if Walman ends up regressing. There's a hole in that 2nd to 3rd pair D, but those guys can be drafted with the picks in the 40s, next years firsts, or free agency.
For two I'm really big on ASP (would be happy with Reinbacher) and the fit with the team is great. His footwork is so fun to watch.

 

[jfrank21]

I would be fine with him a #9, love his game.

The Karate Kid is going to land in my top 10 on my personal board.

Ahem, it was my nickname and I still dont want him at 9

 

[The Zermanator]

I'd be happy with Danielson and Moore at 9 and 17, respectively. But until Yzerman actually misses on one of his 1sts I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on whoever he picks.

My pie in the sky outcome for this draft is Yzerman managing to trade up high enough to pick Carlsson without selling the farm. But I think he has such high potential and equally high chance to hit that potential that I'd be totally fine with it if Yzerman came close to it. A foundation of Seider, Edvinsson, Carlsson, Raymond, etc going forward and it starts to feel like the rebuild is 90% done. Our 1sts this year and next year, Kasper, and everyone below him on the prospect depth chart would be available for such a trade. As well as anyone on the roster bar the 3 players mentioned earlier (and Larkin).

 

[ZDH]

Hard no on moving Kasper.

 

[lilidk]

Yager increased his production during playoffs, center, great shot , worked on his playmaker skills last season.
Barlow and Leonard , both power forwards , Tkachuk lite? Both very good shot, hard work in all 3 zones, both potential first line , but could play any position and most important PK
Dvorsky, I will not surprise if he goes #5 , if he available at 9 get him, I don't care who else is available.

Benson, small, but everything else is great, he should be 3 years away from NHL .
Perreault is great hands and hockey IQ, that is all, probably 4-5 years away from NHL.

Reinbacher is perfect #3 defansman
Wood ,if he improve his skating, watch out

 

[The Zermanator]

Hard no on moving Kasper.

I think odds are pretty high that Carlsson will be better. And being drafted only a year later doesn't affect the rebuild's timeline at all. Matter of fact, I'd wager Carlsson becomes an impact NHL player sooner than Kasper does. Not trying to dismiss Kasper in any way, I think he's a great prospect and will turn into a really good player, just Carlsson looks to be a very very good one. And already has demonstrated chemistry with Raymond and Berggren to boot.

Obviously Kasper is a blue chip asset though, which would reduce the add substantially. If Kasper is involved, then the #9 pick isn't and we'd just be picking twice in the top 10. Could add the 17th to Kasper or a 2nd plus another decent prospect like Johansson.

Kasper + 17th
Kasper + earliest 2nd rounder + Johansson
Kasper + Soderblom
#9 + #17 + earliest 2nd rounder
#9 + #17 + Zadina

Those are some of the kind of picks + prospects deals I'd do for #4/5 in this year's draft. Could add some minor assets like 3rd or later round picks or lesser prospects to add if necessary. I think the Wings are in a better position going forward in every scenario above with Carlsson instead of the traded assets.

 

[Frk It]

The same reason you guys want to go up (picks 2/3/4 is better than most years) is the same reason teams aren’t going to trade those picks away.

So you can just chill with that.

 

[norrisnick]

Yager increased his production during playoffs, center, great shot , worked on his playmaker skills last season.
Barlow and Leonard , both power forwards , Tkachuk lite? Both very good shot, hard work in all 3 zones, both potential first line , but could play any position and most important PK
Dvorsky, I will not surprise if he goes #5 , if he available at 9 get him, I don't care who else is available.

Benson, small, but everything else is great, he should be 3 years away from NHL .
Perreault is great hands and hockey IQ, that is all, probably 4-5 years away from NHL.

Reinbacher is perfect #3 defansman
Wood ,if he improve his skating, watch out

The trick to this year's draft is how do we get two of these guys?

I think odds are pretty high that Carlsson will be better. And being drafted only a year later doesn't affect the rebuild's timeline at all. Matter of fact, I'd wager Carlsson becomes an impact NHL player sooner than Kasper does. Not trying to dismiss Kasper in any way, I think he's a great prospect and will turn into a really good player, just Carlsson looks to be a very very good one. And already has demonstrated chemistry with Raymond and Berggren to boot.

Kasper is a blue chip asset though obviously, which would reduce the add substantially. If Kasper is involved, then the #9 pick isn't and we'd just be picking twice in the top 10. Could add the 17th to Kasper or a 2nd plus another decent prospect like Johansson.

The whole point is to get a player to play WITH Kasper not to get one to play INSTEAD of Kasper.

 

[The Zermanator]

The whole point is to get a player to play WITH Kasper not to get one to play INSTEAD of Kasper.

I think a core that includes Carlsson without Kasper and whoever we ultimately pick at 17 is better than one with Kasper and the 17th minus Carlsson.

 

[The Zermanator]

The same reason you guys want to go up (picks 2/3/4 is better than most years) is the same reason teams aren’t going to trade those picks away.

So you can just chill with that.

This is Holland era thinking, 'prices are too high'. We're finally in a position where we have a stocked cupboard with plenty of high quality prospects and tons of high end draft capital. Part of why I love Yzerman as a GM is his willingness to pull the trigger on a bold move so I sure hope he's exploring that. The only pick that's guaranteed not to move in this draft is #1 and maybe #2. After that the consensus on BPA goes away and there's a large number of players that can be slotted in between #3 and #9. Carlsson is obviously weighted towards the front end of that range, but there are a ton of possible options in terms of trade packages to offer for the #4 or 5 pick.

 

[norrisnick]

I think a core that includes Carlsson without Kasper and whoever we ultimately pick at 17 is better than one with Kasper and the 17th minus Carlsson.

You're forgetting the 9th. Looking at the trades you put together, none of those get into the top 5.

This is Holland era thinking, 'prices are too high'. We're finally in a position where we have a stocked cupboard with plenty of high quality prospects and tons of high end draft capital. Part of why I love Yzerman as a GM is his willingness to pull the trigger on a bold move so I sure hope he's exploring that. The only pick that's guaranteed not to move in this draft is #1 and maybe #2. After that the consensus on BPA goes away and there's a large number of players that can be slotted in between #3 and #9. Carlsson is obviously weighted towards the front end of that range, but there are a ton of possible options in terms of trade packages to offer for the #4 or 5 pick.

No.

There is Bedard.
There is Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov,
There is maybe Smith.

Then there's a gap before anyone else comes into play. Trading up and down between 6 and 10 is mostly pointless unless you've got one guy you have to have. But there is no mingling between the top 5 and 6-10.

 

[Frk It]

This is Holland era thinking, 'prices are too high'. We're finally in a position where we have a stocked cupboard with plenty of high quality prospects and tons of high end draft capital. Part of why I love Yzerman as a GM is his willingness to pull the trigger on a bold move so I sure hope he's exploring that. The only pick that's guaranteed not to move in this draft is #1 and maybe #2. After that the consensus on BPA goes away and there's a large number of players that can be slotted in between #3 and #9. Carlsson is obviously weighted towards the front end of that range, but there are a ton of possible options in terms of trade packages to offer for the #4 or 5 pick.

I mean as it pertains to Kasper and Carlsson.

Carlsson is bigger and performed better in the SHL than Kasper did. I don’t see any scenario where a team would trade even Kasper + for Carlsson.

Top 5 picks hardly ever get moved, and I think they will be even more revered with this draft class.

 

[Realgud]

Wanted to confirm my views on Benson vs a strong team in the finals and yeah, he's quite obviously the best player on the ice with Korchinski, Savoie, Guenther, Lambos, Lambert, Geekie, Schaefer... (in my opinion)

Fantastic skater (but lack of a true high end top speed right now), great defensive game and playmaking. Still strong for a smaller guy, still super competitive, still a pest when he needs to be. He was a better finisher in the regular season though, he creates many chances for himself but failed to convert on a few chances this game, which is disappointing. I guess he had trouble coming back from his injury? Because his stat line in these playoffs doesn't look very good.

 

[Ulysses31]

Berdard

Fantili
Carlsson
Michkov

Reinbacher
Smith
Barlow
Moore
Leonard
Wood
Dvorksy

Honzek
Perrault
Benson
ASP
Yager
SALE
Cristall

Heres my list by tiers so far concerning DRW 1st 2 picks. IMO if we DRW land reinbacher on the right side could give DRW a decade of the best D core in the league. Got more tape to watch

 

[Reddwit]

We are guaranteed to get one of Dvorsky, Reinbacher, Leonard, or Benson. Those guys should be impact players one way or another.

 

[Vector Cereal]

Slowly working my way through video on the top guys (about 20-25 watched) and wow I like Heidt. Is he not getting as much buzz on here because we’re betting on pick 17 being a guy that falls to us? Or is it the suspension stuff? He’s 5’11 but strong on the puck, good hands and playmaking, nice skating, and has that chippy-ness to his game.

 

[Realgud]

Slowly working my way through video on the top guys (about 20-25 watched) and wow I like Heidt. Is he not getting as much buzz on here because we’re betting on pick 17 being a guy that falls to us? Or is it the suspension stuff? He’s 5’11 but strong on the puck, good hands and playmaking, nice skating, and has that chippy-ness to his game.

I think he has high upside but I personally dislike his play away from the puck. He's quite passive and very often stops moving his feet on defense. But his skill level paired with his skating is a really good combo that you can always bet on. I think he'll go in the 2nd round on draft day, possibly late 1st.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Slowly working my way through video on the top guys (about 20-25 watched) and wow I like Heidt. Is he not getting as much buzz on here because we’re betting on pick 17 being a guy that falls to us? Or is it the suspension stuff? He’s 5’11 but strong on the puck, good hands and playmaking, nice skating, and has that chippy-ness to his game.

I am captaining the SS Heidt. You are welcome aboard at any time

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I am captaining the SS Heidt. You are welcome aboard at any time

also love me some heidt

 

[Frk It]

I am captaining the SS Heidt. You are welcome aboard at any time

If we could get Heidt at 17 then his teammate Ziemmer with one of our 2nd rounders… that would be pretty sweet.