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lilidk

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My first Top80 for 2023:

PickAVGRangePos2022 draftSize/HandNation
11,01CConnor Bedard5'9 - RCAN
22,22-4CAdam Fantilli6'3 - LCAN
33,12-5RWMatvei Michkov5'10 - LRUS
44,53-9CLeo Carlsson6'3 - LSWE
56,95-16FZach Benson5'10 - LCAN
67,44-18CWill Smith6'0 - RUSA
78,96-14FBrayden Yager6'0 - RCAN
89,76-13CDalibor Dvorsky6'1 - LSVK
910,98-18FEduard Sale6'1 - LCZE
1013,38-19RDAxel Sandin-Pellikka5'11 - RSWE
1113,89-25COliver Moore5'11 - LUSA
1214,66-31LWAndrew Cristall5'9 - LCAN
1315,27-29CRyan Leonard5'11 - LUSA
1416,28-43CCalum Ritchie6'1 - RCAN
1517,110-31FRiley Heidt5'11 - LCAN
1618,114-27FMatthew Wood6'3 - RCAN
1718,112-28RDDavid Reinbacher6'2 - RAUT
1818,38-38RWColby Barlow6'1 - LCAN
1918,913-24LDMikhail Gulyayev5'10 - LRUS
2020,615-23CNate Danielson6'1 - RCAN
2121,916-30RWEthan Gauthier5'11 - RCAN
2222,916-29LWKasper Halttunen6'3 - RFIN
2323,59-32RWCharlie Stramel6'3 - RUSA
2423,817-27LWQuentin Musty6'2 - LUSA
2524,417-41WGabe Perreault5'10 - LUSA/CAN
2624,718-39COtto Stenberg5'10 - LSWE
2725,114-52RWGavin Brindley5'9 - RUSA
2829,213-47LWDaniil But6'4 - RRUS
2929,919-46CSamuel Honzek6'4 - LSVK
3029,916-40LDTheo Lindstein6'0 - LSWE
3131,814-59RDLukas Dragicevic6'2 - RDCAN
3232,126-42RWKoehn Ziemmer6'0 - RCAN
3334,017-60LDCaden Price6'1 - LCAN
3434,429-42FLenni Hämeenaho6'0 - RFIN
3534,617-50FJayden Perron5'8 - RCAN
3636,224-53RDHunter Brzustevic6'0 - RUSA
3736,833-46CBradley Nadeau5'10 - RCAN
3837,116-49LDDimitri Simashev6'4 - LRUS
3937,330-45RDOliver Bonk6'1 - RCAN
4038,427-49LWKalan Lind6'0 - LCAN
4138,412-66RDCam Allen5'11 - RCAN
4238,527-74LDLuca Cagnoni5'10 - LCAN
4339,022-68RDMaxim Strbak6'2 - RSVK
4439,328-50RDMathieu Cataford5'11 - RCAN
4539,426-60LDEtienne Morin5'11 - LCAN
4639,519-49RWJesse Kiiskinen6'0 - RFIN
4740,821-73GMichael Hrabal6'6 - LCZE
4840,834-53FDanny Nelson6'3 - LUSA
4941,325-82LWRoman Kantserov5'9 - LRUS
5041,625-71CLuca Pinelli5'9 - LCAN
5141,820-50CNoah Dower Nilsson6'0 - LSWE
5243,830-57GTrey Augustine6'1 - LUSA
5345,041-50C/LWCarson Rehkopf6'1 - LCAN
5445,843-50CTimur Mukhanov5'8 - RRUS
5545,829-65CWilliam Whitelaw5'9 - RUSA
5647,229-70GCarson Bjarnason6'3 - LCAN
5747,520-67LDJakub Dvorak6'4 - LCZE
5847,641-61RDTom Willander6'1 - RSWE
5948,228-60LDTanner Molendyk5'11 - LCAN
6050,624-74RWAlex Ciernik5'10 - LSVK
6150,844-55RDBeau Akey6'0 - RCAN
6251,848-55LDAndrew Strathmann5'11 - LUSA
6352,129-103CDenver Barkey5'9 - LCAN
6452,538-82FOscar Fisker Molgaard6'0 - LDEN
6554,032-74GAdam Gajan6'4 - LSVK
6654,333-82LDArttu Kärki6'2 - LFIN
6758,446-82RDJordan Tourigny5'11 - RCAN
6858,828-73CCoulson Pitre6'0 - RCAN
6959,542-83FJesse Nurmi5'11 - LFIN
7059,855-64RDAram Minnetian6'0 - RUSA
7159,858-61WNoel Nordh6'2 - LSWE
7264,247-82FTuomas Uronen6'0 - RFIN
7364,739-83WEmil Järventie5'10 - LFIN
7464,843-100LWAydar Suniev6'2 - LRUS
7564,948-11C/LWTyler Peddle6'1 - LCAN
7665,041-84LWOndrej Molnar6'0 - LSVK
7765,747-75WMatthew Soto5'11 - RCAN
7865,845-80CGracyn Sawchyn5'11 - RCAN
7966,759-80LDQuinton Burns6'1 - LCAN
8067,865-76CMartin Misiak6'2 - LRUS

Quite forward-heavy on the Top29, think the D are gonna rise and they go higher on draft day.

Could see Leo Carlsson easily picked at Top3, and Michkov will fall some positions, but not too far. Not outside from Top10.
Nice mock draft, but if I draft today #8, I would choose between Moore, Leonard and Reinbacher. Pretty much after top 5 is total mess, about 20 players could be go anywhere
 
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Nice mock draft, but if I draft today #8, I would choose between Moore, Leonard and Reinbacher. Pretty much after top 5 is total mess, about 20 players could be go anywhere

It's not a mock, that's a talent rank.

Think I have to upgrade that Bedard height to 5'10, I started making the first rank 2 years ago, and then he was smaller. :DD
 

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These people are literally paid to watch draft eligible players. There is not a single organization that didn't have eyes on him all year. Now I think teams and public scouts differed in how they projected him as an NHL player (which will always happen) but he was hardly under-scouted as you suggest. He was playing in the WC immediately prior to the draft after all.

What the Wings got right about him was their projection. They thought he was more skilled with the puck than he had showed and had more offense in him than he had shown. They also deserved credit for having the stones to take him where they did (i.e. their conviction of his projection).
Disagree, teams depending on circumstances, philosophy ,structure, connections ect invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others.


And your moving the goalposts you said everybody on this forum knew exactly how good seider would be. which is complete bs. Search Sportnet's coverage of Seider's draft on youtube and you will see that the wings picking him at 6 took a lot of people off gaurd.
 

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Dont see how Reinbacher would still be available come our 2nd first.


I'd be very happy with a

our own first: Smith/Reinbacher

NYI 1st: Danielson/Ritchie

And if we dont land DR we get Tom Willander with one of our seconds.

If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.
 

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If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.
If he drops to a decent range. It'll be a no brainer. But i suspect he'll go top 10.
 

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If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.

Pick Reinbacher at 8, trade NYI’s 1st + the best 2nd rounder we’ve got to move up between 13 and 15 if Leonard, Yager, Sale or Moore are still available.

Then in the 2nd get some combination of Dower-Nilsson, Willander and Felix Nilsson.

Outside of a lotto win that draft gives me warm and fuzzy feelings.
 

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Disagree, teams depending on circumstances, philosophy ,structure, connections ect invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others.


And your moving the goalposts you said everybody on this forum knew exactly how good seider would be. which is complete bs. Search Sportnet's coverage of Seider's draft on youtube and you will see that the wings picking him at 6 took a lot of people off gaurd.
Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.
 
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Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.
I think the point was Seider was never considered a top 10 pick, of which are the ones that are usually the best odds at drafting high caliber players.

Correct me if I'm wrong whoever is arguing back and forth with this guy.
 
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I think the point was Seider was never considered a top 10 pick, of which are the ones that are usually the best odds at drafting high caliber players.

Correct me if I'm wrong whoever is arguing back and forth with this guy.
Seider played for national team at WC and looks pretty good, year ago was Hughes, who played for USA national team, he was also was good, but we decided to go with shiny Zadina instead. Looking forward, we should not make Zadina mistake again
 

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Seider played for national team at WC and looks pretty good, year ago was Hughes, who played for USA national team, he was also was good, but we decided to go with shiny Zadina instead. Looking forward, we should not make Zadina mistake again
Man, if we had hughes and seider back there? yikes.
 
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Not sure who is the preferred center in the second between Nilsson, Dower-Nilsson, and Edstrom. Each are a bit different but lately I’m leaning Edstrom.

Also stuck on Oscar Fiskar Molgaard v Dalibor Dvorsky with the later first round pick. Both seem possible to be available and potential picks.

Obviously I am wanting a plethora of potential centers drafted.
 

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Going to mention Hannes Hellberg again. If he was two weeks younger, he would be first time eligible.

He was 5th in Swedish J20 Nationell scoring, led the Swedish U19 (Five Nations?) in points, and is currently tied with Unger Sorum (his linemate) for the points in the J20 playoffs.

I mentioned my model for finding under-valued D--specifically noting Adam Engstrom this time last year. Now I am tinkering with a model for forwards. One of the variables is Point Mobility, which is producing at different levels, such as tournaments, regular season, and playoffs. Hellberg is the top prospect outside the consensus top 50 for that measure. Others who do well on PM are: Unger Sorum, Kiiskinen, Terrance, and Joe Connor.
 
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Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.
Very interesting how you're rewriting history. But thats ok.

I suspect every NHL org scouts central Europe all Im saying there are some orgs that invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others. And therefore they have a better picture of the talent in said region. It's not that complicated.
 
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Any overages you guys like, because you know, We probably going to get 2 of them
 

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Going to mention Hannes Hellberg again. If he was two weeks younger, he would be first time eligible.

He was 5th in Swedish J20 Nationell scoring, led the Swedish U19 (Five Nations?) in points, and is currently tied with Unger Sorum (his linemate) for the points in the J20 playoffs.

I mentioned my model for finding under-valued D--specifically noting Adam Engstrom this time last year. Now I am tinkering with a model for forwards. One of the variables is Point Mobility, which is producing at different levels, such as tournaments, regular season, and playoffs. Hellberg is the top prospect outside the consensus top 50 for that measure. Others who do well on PM are: Unger Sorum, Kiiskinen, Terrance, and Joe Connor.
He has an interesting track record of scoring goals.

I find this kid interesting too, although not an overager: Roman Kantserov at eliteprospects.com

Any overages you guys like, because you know, We probably going to get 2 of them
This kid looks interesting to me, have been trying to find more info on him: Sam Court at eliteprospects.com

Also stuck on Oscar Fiskar Molgaard v Dalibor Dvorsky with the later first round pick. Both seem possible to be available and potential picks.
Dvorsky with the late 1st? I really doubt he lasts that far.
 

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There's a 19 year old defenseman who had 30 points in the Allsvenskan this year. Can't recall his name at the moment, but I wouldn't mind using a 4th rounder on him.
Not in the allsvenskan, but this kid has very impressive production:
 
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