2023 Draft Discussion

[Run the Jewels]

He mentioned in an other interview I saw that he had offers from both Jim Nill and Ken Holland to tag along to Dallas and Edmonton if he wanted to.

Hopefully he can be our Al Murray.

 

[lilidk]

My first Top80 for 2023:

Pick	AVG	Range	Pos	2022 draft	Size/Hand	Nation
1	1,0	1	C	Connor Bedard	5'9 - R	CAN
2	2,2	2-4	C	Adam Fantilli	6'3 - L	CAN
3	3,1	2-5	RW	Matvei Michkov	5'10 - L	RUS
4	4,5	3-9	C	Leo Carlsson	6'3 - L	SWE
5	6,9	5-16	F	Zach Benson	5'10 - L	CAN
6	7,4	4-18	C	Will Smith	6'0 - R	USA
7	8,9	6-14	F	Brayden Yager	6'0 - R	CAN
8	9,7	6-13	C	Dalibor Dvorsky	6'1 - L	SVK
9	10,9	8-18	F	Eduard Sale	6'1 - L	CZE
10	13,3	8-19	RD	Axel Sandin-Pellikka	5'11 - R	SWE
11	13,8	9-25	C	Oliver Moore	5'11 - L	USA
12	14,6	6-31	LW	Andrew Cristall	5'9 - L	CAN
13	15,2	7-29	C	Ryan Leonard	5'11 - L	USA
14	16,2	8-43	C	Calum Ritchie	6'1 - R	CAN
15	17,1	10-31	F	Riley Heidt	5'11 - L	CAN
16	18,1	14-27	F	Matthew Wood	6'3 - R	CAN
17	18,1	12-28	RD	David Reinbacher	6'2 - R	AUT
18	18,3	8-38	RW	Colby Barlow	6'1 - L	CAN
19	18,9	13-24	LD	Mikhail Gulyayev	5'10 - L	RUS
20	20,6	15-23	C	Nate Danielson	6'1 - R	CAN
21	21,9	16-30	RW	Ethan Gauthier	5'11 - R	CAN
22	22,9	16-29	LW	Kasper Halttunen	6'3 - R	FIN
23	23,5	9-32	RW	Charlie Stramel	6'3 - R	USA
24	23,8	17-27	LW	Quentin Musty	6'2 - L	USA
25	24,4	17-41	W	Gabe Perreault	5'10 - L	USA/CAN
26	24,7	18-39	C	Otto Stenberg	5'10 - L	SWE
27	25,1	14-52	RW	Gavin Brindley	5'9 - R	USA
28	29,2	13-47	LW	Daniil But	6'4 - R	RUS
29	29,9	19-46	C	Samuel Honzek	6'4 - L	SVK
30	29,9	16-40	LD	Theo Lindstein	6'0 - L	SWE
31	31,8	14-59	RD	Lukas Dragicevic	6'2 - RD	CAN
32	32,1	26-42	RW	Koehn Ziemmer	6'0 - R	CAN
33	34,0	17-60	LD	Caden Price	6'1 - L	CAN
34	34,4	29-42	F	Lenni Hämeenaho	6'0 - R	FIN
35	34,6	17-50	F	Jayden Perron	5'8 - R	CAN
36	36,2	24-53	RD	Hunter Brzustevic	6'0 - R	USA
37	36,8	33-46	C	Bradley Nadeau	5'10 - R	CAN
38	37,1	16-49	LD	Dimitri Simashev	6'4 - L	RUS
39	37,3	30-45	RD	Oliver Bonk	6'1 - R	CAN
40	38,4	27-49	LW	Kalan Lind	6'0 - L	CAN
41	38,4	12-66	RD	Cam Allen	5'11 - R	CAN
42	38,5	27-74	LD	Luca Cagnoni	5'10 - L	CAN
43	39,0	22-68	RD	Maxim Strbak	6'2 - R	SVK
44	39,3	28-50	RD	Mathieu Cataford	5'11 - R	CAN
45	39,4	26-60	LD	Etienne Morin	5'11 - L	CAN
46	39,5	19-49	RW	Jesse Kiiskinen	6'0 - R	FIN
47	40,8	21-73	G	Michael Hrabal	6'6 - L	CZE
48	40,8	34-53	F	Danny Nelson	6'3 - L	USA
49	41,3	25-82	LW	Roman Kantserov	5'9 - L	RUS
50	41,6	25-71	C	Luca Pinelli	5'9 - L	CAN
51	41,8	20-50	C	Noah Dower Nilsson	6'0 - L	SWE
52	43,8	30-57	G	Trey Augustine	6'1 - L	USA
53	45,0	41-50	C/LW	Carson Rehkopf	6'1 - L	CAN
54	45,8	43-50	C	Timur Mukhanov	5'8 - R	RUS
55	45,8	29-65	C	William Whitelaw	5'9 - R	USA
56	47,2	29-70	G	Carson Bjarnason	6'3 - L	CAN
57	47,5	20-67	LD	Jakub Dvorak	6'4 - L	CZE
58	47,6	41-61	RD	Tom Willander	6'1 - R	SWE
59	48,2	28-60	LD	Tanner Molendyk	5'11 - L	CAN
60	50,6	24-74	RW	Alex Ciernik	5'10 - L	SVK
61	50,8	44-55	RD	Beau Akey	6'0 - R	CAN
62	51,8	48-55	LD	Andrew Strathmann	5'11 - L	USA
63	52,1	29-103	C	Denver Barkey	5'9 - L	CAN
64	52,5	38-82	F	Oscar Fisker Molgaard	6'0 - L	DEN
65	54,0	32-74	G	Adam Gajan	6'4 - L	SVK
66	54,3	33-82	LD	Arttu Kärki	6'2 - L	FIN
67	58,4	46-82	RD	Jordan Tourigny	5'11 - R	CAN
68	58,8	28-73	C	Coulson Pitre	6'0 - R	CAN
69	59,5	42-83	F	Jesse Nurmi	5'11 - L	FIN
70	59,8	55-64	RD	Aram Minnetian	6'0 - R	USA
71	59,8	58-61	W	Noel Nordh	6'2 - L	SWE
72	64,2	47-82	F	Tuomas Uronen	6'0 - R	FIN
73	64,7	39-83	W	Emil Järventie	5'10 - L	FIN
74	64,8	43-100	LW	Aydar Suniev	6'2 - L	RUS
75	64,9	48-11	C/LW	Tyler Peddle	6'1 - L	CAN
76	65,0	41-84	LW	Ondrej Molnar	6'0 - L	SVK
77	65,7	47-75	W	Matthew Soto	5'11 - R	CAN
78	65,8	45-80	C	Gracyn Sawchyn	5'11 - R	CAN
79	66,7	59-80	LD	Quinton Burns	6'1 - L	CAN
80	67,8	65-76	C	Martin Misiak	6'2 - L	RUS

Quite forward-heavy on the Top29, think the D are gonna rise and they go higher on draft day.

Could see Leo Carlsson easily picked at Top3, and Michkov will fall some positions, but not too far. Not outside from Top10.

Nice mock draft, but if I draft today #8, I would choose between Moore, Leonard and Reinbacher. Pretty much after top 5 is total mess, about 20 players could be go anywhere

 

[Henkka]

Nice mock draft, but if I draft today #8, I would choose between Moore, Leonard and Reinbacher. Pretty much after top 5 is total mess, about 20 players could be go anywhere

It's not a mock, that's a talent rank.

Think I have to upgrade that Bedard height to 5'10, I started making the first rank 2 years ago, and then he was smaller.

 

[wingerdinger]

These people are literally paid to watch draft eligible players. There is not a single organization that didn't have eyes on him all year. Now I think teams and public scouts differed in how they projected him as an NHL player (which will always happen) but he was hardly under-scouted as you suggest. He was playing in the WC immediately prior to the draft after all.

What the Wings got right about him was their projection. They thought he was more skilled with the puck than he had showed and had more offense in him than he had shown. They also deserved credit for having the stones to take him where they did (i.e. their conviction of his projection).

Disagree, teams depending on circumstances, philosophy ,structure, connections ect invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others.


And your moving the goalposts you said everybody on this forum knew exactly how good seider would be. which is complete bs. Search Sportnet's coverage of Seider's draft on youtube and you will see that the wings picking him at 6 took a lot of people off gaurd.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

If Moore and Reinbacher would be our 2 1st round picks and I'll be dancing in the streets.

 

[wingerdinger]

If Moore and Reinbacher would be our 2 1st round picks and I'll be dancing in the streets.

Dont see how Reinbacher would still be available come our 2nd first.


I'd be very happy with a

our own first: Smith/Reinbacher

NYI 1st: Danielson/Ritchie

And if we dont land DR we get Tom Willander with one of our seconds.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Dont see how Reinbacher would still be available come our 2nd first.


I'd be very happy with a

our own first: Smith/Reinbacher

NYI 1st: Danielson/Ritchie

And if we dont land DR we get Tom Willander with one of our seconds.

If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.

 

[wingerdinger]

If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.

If he drops to a decent range. It'll be a no brainer. But i suspect he'll go top 10.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If the Wings are hot on Reinbacher or other players I guess they could trade up. They've showed they're willing to do it with Cossa 2 years ago.

Not sure where Reinbacher is expected to go.

Pick Reinbacher at 8, trade NYI’s 1st + the best 2nd rounder we’ve got to move up between 13 and 15 if Leonard, Yager, Sale or Moore are still available.

Then in the 2nd get some combination of Dower-Nilsson, Willander and Felix Nilsson.

Outside of a lotto win that draft gives me warm and fuzzy feelings.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

if reinbacher is there with the 2nd pick aweomse. Run up and grab him but we need offense

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Disagree, teams depending on circumstances, philosophy ,structure, connections ect invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others.


And your moving the goalposts you said everybody on this forum knew exactly how good seider would be. which is complete bs. Search Sportnet's coverage of Seider's draft on youtube and you will see that the wings picking him at 6 took a lot of people off gaurd.

Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.

I think the point was Seider was never considered a top 10 pick, of which are the ones that are usually the best odds at drafting high caliber players.

Correct me if I'm wrong whoever is arguing back and forth with this guy.

 

[lilidk]

I think the point was Seider was never considered a top 10 pick, of which are the ones that are usually the best odds at drafting high caliber players.

Correct me if I'm wrong whoever is arguing back and forth with this guy.

Seider played for national team at WC and looks pretty good, year ago was Hughes, who played for USA national team, he was also was good, but we decided to go with shiny Zadina instead. Looking forward, we should not make Zadina mistake again

 

[Detroit Knights]

Seider played for national team at WC and looks pretty good, year ago was Hughes, who played for USA national team, he was also was good, but we decided to go with shiny Zadina instead. Looking forward, we should not make Zadina mistake again

Man, if we had hughes and seider back there? yikes.

 

[Henkka]

if reinbacher is there with the 2nd pick aweomse. Run up and grab him but we need offense

Think it would be logical to take Reinbacher with our first pick (~#8) and then forward with the NYI pick (~#16) .

 

[Perfect Human]

Not sure who is the preferred center in the second between Nilsson, Dower-Nilsson, and Edstrom. Each are a bit different but lately I’m leaning Edstrom.

Also stuck on Oscar Fiskar Molgaard v Dalibor Dvorsky with the later first round pick. Both seem possible to be available and potential picks.

Obviously I am wanting a plethora of potential centers drafted.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Think it would be logical to take Reinbacher with our first pick (~#8) and then forward with the NYI pick (~#16) .

Obviously I'd be happy with this too. But just very impressed with Moore and would love to see him with the Wings.

 

[emptyNedder]

Going to mention Hannes Hellberg again. If he was two weeks younger, he would be first time eligible.

He was 5th in Swedish J20 Nationell scoring, led the Swedish U19 (Five Nations?) in points, and is currently tied with Unger Sorum (his linemate) for the points in the J20 playoffs.

I mentioned my model for finding under-valued D--specifically noting Adam Engstrom this time last year. Now I am tinkering with a model for forwards. One of the variables is Point Mobility, which is producing at different levels, such as tournaments, regular season, and playoffs. Hellberg is the top prospect outside the consensus top 50 for that measure. Others who do well on PM are: Unger Sorum, Kiiskinen, Terrance, and Joe Connor.

 

[wingerdinger]

Talk about moving goal posts, the statement was the everyone knew who he was on draft day and that he wasn't uncovered by Hakan the Great. And yes, just about every poster on this board knows what Bob's List is. I would like to enter into evidence the final "Bob's List" for the 2019 draft. Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Look at little old Mo sitting there ten whole spots behind where he was actually taken. Not much of a reach if you really think about it.

If you have any knowledge whatsoever that certain teams don't scout central European professional leagues, please do us all a favor and list those organizations. Hockey is very much a niche sport. There are a relatively small number of leagues that actually feed into the NHL draft, especially in Europe.

Very interesting how you're rewriting history. But thats ok.

I suspect every NHL org scouts central Europe all Im saying there are some orgs that invest more scouting resources in certain regions then others. And therefore they have a better picture of the talent in said region. It's not that complicated.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Perreault with our second 1st plz N thx

 

[lilidk]

Any overages you guys like, because you know, We probably going to get 2 of them

 

[Frk It]

Going to mention Hannes Hellberg again. If he was two weeks younger, he would be first time eligible.

He was 5th in Swedish J20 Nationell scoring, led the Swedish U19 (Five Nations?) in points, and is currently tied with Unger Sorum (his linemate) for the points in the J20 playoffs.

I mentioned my model for finding under-valued D--specifically noting Adam Engstrom this time last year. Now I am tinkering with a model for forwards. One of the variables is Point Mobility, which is producing at different levels, such as tournaments, regular season, and playoffs. Hellberg is the top prospect outside the consensus top 50 for that measure. Others who do well on PM are: Unger Sorum, Kiiskinen, Terrance, and Joe Connor.

He has an interesting track record of scoring goals.

I find this kid interesting too, although not an overager: Roman Kantserov at eliteprospects.com

Any overages you guys like, because you know, We probably going to get 2 of them

This kid looks interesting to me, have been trying to find more info on him: Sam Court at eliteprospects.com

Also stuck on Oscar Fiskar Molgaard v Dalibor Dvorsky with the later first round pick. Both seem possible to be available and potential picks.

Dvorsky with the late 1st? I really doubt he lasts that far.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Any overages you guys like, because you know, We probably going to get 2 of them

There's a 19 year old defenseman who had 30 points in the Allsvenskan this year. Can't recall his name at the moment, but I wouldn't mind using a 4th rounder on him.

 

[Frk It]

There's a 19 year old defenseman who had 30 points in the Allsvenskan this year. Can't recall his name at the moment, but I wouldn't mind using a 4th rounder on him.

Not in the allsvenskan, but this kid has very impressive production:

Lucas Lagerberg Hoen - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lucas Lagerberg Hoen, 2004-05-03 Mora, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the undefined with Leksands IF. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[lilidk]

There's a 19 year old defenseman who had 30 points in the Allsvenskan this year. Can't recall his name at the moment, but I wouldn't mind using a 4th rounder on him.

Oskar Asplund at eliteprospects.com ?