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jfrank21
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Not even lying, ran the sim once and went from 12 to 3. Leo Carlsson here we come! (I then screwed it up and ran it 3 more times and stayed at 12 each time.)
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Its not even half way through the season yet, but I think the draft will be very different this year than last year for the Wings.
I think we will move on from players on Draft day and make a handful of trades to gather another first round pick. The pure number of prospects that intrigue and at the same time make sense for the Wings is too numerous. It is not like last year where Kasper was the clear choice at 8OA if he was there.
I think we will move on from players on Draft day and make a handful of trades to gather another first round pick. The pure number of prospects that intrigue and at the same time make sense for the Wings is too numerous. It is not like last year where Kasper was the clear choice at 8OA if he was there.
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You're clearly a superior human being, therefore I will hence forth accept these results.
jfrank21
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Ehh, we pumped him (Kasper) up here a good amount, but there were still plenty of people who wanted Savoie and were disappointed. The great thing about this draft is that there will be guys at 15-20 who make Savoie's #s look pedestrian and they have a more projectable frame. We very well could be getting a Raymond caliber player at 10 if that's around where we stay in the standings.
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Obviously hindsight is 20:20, but Yzerman always wanted Kasper instead of Savoie, clearly because he drafted him.
I guess what I am saying is in the same vein as what you said: because this is a deep draft, there may be multiple top flight talent players available at 10-20. That is very different from last year where all of these highly skilled kids had question marks around several facets of their game.
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Should be a pretty exciting draft if we can add some picks.
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Players I like that I see ranked outside of the 1st round:
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Felix Unger Sörum - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Felix Unger Sörum, 2005-09-14 Trondheim, NOR Sweden. Most recently in the AHL with Chicago Wolves. Complete player biography and stats.
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Tanner Ludtke - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Tanner Ludtke, 2004-11-27 Elko, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of Nebraska-Omaha. Complete player biography and stats.
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Zeb Forsfjäll - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Zeb Forsfjäll, 2005-01-16 Skellefteå, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the SHL with Skellefteå AIK. Complete player biography and stats.
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Roman Kantserov - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Roman Kantserov, 2004-09-20 Magnitogorsk, RUS Russia. Most recently in the KHL with Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Complete player biography and stats.
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Luca Pinelli - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Luca Pinelli, 2005-04-05 Hamilton, ON, CAN Canada. Most recently in the OHL with Ottawa 67's. Complete player biography and stats.
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Andrew Strathmann - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Andrew Strathmann, 2005-02-27 Beach Park, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of North Dakota. Complete player biography and stats.
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Maxim Strbak - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Maxim Strbak, 2005-04-13 Kosice, SVK Slovakia. Most recently in the NCAA with Michigan State Univ.. Complete player biography and stats.
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Michael Burchill - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Michael Burchill, 2005-04-29 Mundelein, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the USHL with Youngstown Phantoms. Complete player biography and stats.
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Rasmus Kumpulainen - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Rasmus Kumpulainen, 2005-08-08 Lahti, FIN Finland. Most recently in the Liiga with Pelicans. Complete player biography and stats.
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Lenni Hämeenaho - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lenni Hämeenaho, 2004-11-07 Kajaani, FIN Finland. Most recently in the Liiga with Ässät. Complete player biography and stats.
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Jan Sprynar - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jan Sprynar, 2005-02-26 Zatec, CZE Czechia. Most recently in the Czechia with HC Litvinov. Complete player biography and stats.
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Perfect Human
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I see two or three of these guys gone by the end of the first. Hämeenaho could be gone by pick 25.Players I like that I see ranked outside of the 1st round:
Felix Unger Sörum - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Felix Unger Sörum, 2005-09-14 Trondheim, NOR Sweden. Most recently in the AHL with Chicago Wolves. Complete player biography and stats.Tanner Ludtke - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Tanner Ludtke, 2004-11-27 Elko, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of Nebraska-Omaha. Complete player biography and stats.Zeb Forsfjäll - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Zeb Forsfjäll, 2005-01-16 Skellefteå, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the SHL with Skellefteå AIK. Complete player biography and stats.Roman Kantserov - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Roman Kantserov, 2004-09-20 Magnitogorsk, RUS Russia. Most recently in the KHL with Metallurg Magnitogorsk. Complete player biography and stats.Luca Pinelli - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Luca Pinelli, 2005-04-05 Hamilton, ON, CAN Canada. Most recently in the OHL with Ottawa 67's. Complete player biography and stats.Andrew Strathmann - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Andrew Strathmann, 2005-02-27 Beach Park, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of North Dakota. Complete player biography and stats.Maxim Strbak - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Maxim Strbak, 2005-04-13 Kosice, SVK Slovakia. Most recently in the NCAA with Michigan State Univ.. Complete player biography and stats.Michael Burchill - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Michael Burchill, 2005-04-29 Mundelein, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the USHL with Youngstown Phantoms. Complete player biography and stats.Rasmus Kumpulainen - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Rasmus Kumpulainen, 2005-08-08 Lahti, FIN Finland. Most recently in the Liiga with Pelicans. Complete player biography and stats.Lenni Hämeenaho - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lenni Hämeenaho, 2004-11-07 Kajaani, FIN Finland. Most recently in the Liiga with Ässät. Complete player biography and stats.Jan Sprynar - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jan Sprynar, 2005-02-26 Zatec, CZE Czechia. Most recently in the Czechia with HC Litvinov. Complete player biography and stats.
This draft is going to be so exciting!
SantosHalper
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It seems like now it's time to start digging in to this draft. So far every 1st round pick except Cossa is from Europe, but now it's looks like the best europeans are taken before Red Wings gets to select. Dvorsky and Sale might be available but Zadina gave PTSD so im not liking Sale at the moment much and Dvorsky is not exactly what the organization needs. He's a center yes but more like a middle-6 center and those are available later in the draft. At this draft, at least in the 1st round i would forget the position and look for highest skilled player.
Stenberg and N. Dower-Nilsson are too much of a reach picks at this point, same goes for Halttunen, Reinbacher, Sandin-Pellikka, who is not very stereotypical Yzerman d-man but i like his potential. It would be pretty sweet to have a second 1st round pick to snatch one of these guys.
Yzerman's overall track record:
18 players from Europe (2 went to NCAA)
14 players who are taking the college route
4 players from OHL
3 players from WHL
1 player from QMJHL
I believe developmental area matter's to Yzerman & co, therefore it's easy to understand why the numbers are one sided. They don't seem to trust much on CHL but the interesting part is that 2 of the 3 WHL guys are 1st and 2nd round picks, 3rd guy Cotton was a 5th round pick. And the OHL guys are 3rd, 4rt, 5th and 6th round picks and the lonely Quebec kid was a 5th round pick. So mainly the late round picks were used on them.
WHL seems to have lot to offer to this upcoming draft and there is also couple kids from the USDP, whom are going to take the college route. Since there might be lack of European talent, maybe now Yzerman takes a North American kid first for a first time in his time in Detroit.
Zach Benson and Andrew Cristall seems most intriguing from WHL, who could be available when Red Wings are on the clock. Both have lots of natural talent and high end skill and both need time to develop the physical side of the game, which is the easiest thing to develop. From USDP, Will Smith and Oliver Moore looks very similar to Benson and Cristall.
Stenberg and N. Dower-Nilsson are too much of a reach picks at this point, same goes for Halttunen, Reinbacher, Sandin-Pellikka, who is not very stereotypical Yzerman d-man but i like his potential. It would be pretty sweet to have a second 1st round pick to snatch one of these guys.
Yzerman's overall track record:
18 players from Europe (2 went to NCAA)
14 players who are taking the college route
4 players from OHL
3 players from WHL
1 player from QMJHL
I believe developmental area matter's to Yzerman & co, therefore it's easy to understand why the numbers are one sided. They don't seem to trust much on CHL but the interesting part is that 2 of the 3 WHL guys are 1st and 2nd round picks, 3rd guy Cotton was a 5th round pick. And the OHL guys are 3rd, 4rt, 5th and 6th round picks and the lonely Quebec kid was a 5th round pick. So mainly the late round picks were used on them.
WHL seems to have lot to offer to this upcoming draft and there is also couple kids from the USDP, whom are going to take the college route. Since there might be lack of European talent, maybe now Yzerman takes a North American kid first for a first time in his time in Detroit.
Zach Benson and Andrew Cristall seems most intriguing from WHL, who could be available when Red Wings are on the clock. Both have lots of natural talent and high end skill and both need time to develop the physical side of the game, which is the easiest thing to develop. From USDP, Will Smith and Oliver Moore looks very similar to Benson and Cristall.
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The way I see it, the two biggest organizational needs are.
1. RH center, preferably with size.
2. Bonafide no-nonsense goal scorer. Someone whose first, second, and third option is to put the puck on net.
Obviously BPA is the mantra on draft day, but if there's a tie we need to lean into the above.
1. RH center, preferably with size.
2. Bonafide no-nonsense goal scorer. Someone whose first, second, and third option is to put the puck on net.
Obviously BPA is the mantra on draft day, but if there's a tie we need to lean into the above.
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What exactly makes Dvorsky a middle 6 forward? He’s incredibly skilled. I think he makes a good case to taken before we pick.
I also don't think the guy who took Kucherov and Raymond is going to be scared about drafting skilled winger.s
Could care less if the center is RH or not.
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I think he would rather have good centers than RH centers.
jfrank21
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Yeah, big fan of Dvorsky, Benson and Sale. I havent watched much of Cristall but clearly his numbers pop and his highlights are great. I still remain hopeful for one of those 3 listed, or if the Wings get hot again and pick a little later, Oliver Moore is near the top of my wishlist.
norrisnick
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He's specifically referring to d-zone faceoffs where a lefty is at a disadvantage. Granted it's going to take a while for a drafted guy to get into the lineup, but it's not like our pipeline is bursting with righties up front. May as well solve the future while also looking for a stopgap in the present.
And again, BPA where available. If there's a good lefty and a good right center there to be had. Take the righty.
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Yeah mostly saying that because I see more lefty center's in our projected range.
Yager and Smith are probably our only 2 options, and I think we would have to get pretty lucky to be able to get either.
Would be curious to know how high they are on Calum Ritchie and if they see him as a center. He checks a lot of the boxes you were looking for. I've also wondered if they might be higher than Nate Danielson than the consensus out there. But there is kind of a gap there with the right handed centers after the very top guys.
Andrew Cristall keeps impressing me. The production is obviously there, and the more highlights I watch, the more he impresses. I know he's another small skill winger, but if we're picking something like 11 or 12 and he's available, I'd grab him.
It's funny how the comparable for every small/skill winger is Mitch Marner, but this guy honestly reminds me a bit of Mitch Marner....He has that deceptiveness to his game that Marner has. The ability to make your opponent think you are gonna do something, only to completely burn them with something else. Bedard obviously is elite at that, but this Cristall kid's pure skill is very impressive. His edge-work is elite, as is his ability to stickhandle and make plays without losing speed.
It's funny how the comparable for every small/skill winger is Mitch Marner, but this guy honestly reminds me a bit of Mitch Marner....He has that deceptiveness to his game that Marner has. The ability to make your opponent think you are gonna do something, only to completely burn them with something else. Bedard obviously is elite at that, but this Cristall kid's pure skill is very impressive. His edge-work is elite, as is his ability to stickhandle and make plays without losing speed.
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Dvorsky looks like top 6 or bust to me. Definitely a top 10 guy. The one thing I’m not in love about in his game is skating. Probably worst out of the top 10 in this category.
I’m liking that Reinbacher kid. I don’t know about offensive potential but he seems like the kind of guy that is just a super reliable stopper.
With WJC showing David Reinbacher established himself as a top defensive prospect - EP Rinkside
SantosHalper
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Based on what i've seen from Dvorsky, right now he's projection looks like a middle-6 center. He's a hard worker and defensively responsible, but offensively i haven't seen anything from him yet. One scouting report did say that Dvorsky is more talented offensively that he shows, i can believe that but still i want to see more from him.
Upcoming U18 Worlds is going to be excellent showcase for him, i would like be in Dvorsky-bandwagon but not until i get proven wrong.
Red Wings just have some incredible bad luck, when it comes to forwards from Czechia. Sale is extremely talented, im pretty sure he is taken before it's Yzerman's turn. I don't think there's no need to stress about it.
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Just did a sim and this was my result...
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I would rather take a swing at Sale if you go for winger, ceiling wise only thing Dvorsky has on him is shot, otherwise Sale is better playmaker and much better skater, he reminds me of Raymond of this draft, but with better vision and much higher iq. He just has that game breaking line carrying ability you see with 90 point forwards. Minus is his strength, but nothing 1-2 years in AHL cant fix.
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