2023 Draft Discussion

[RedHawkDown]

This is what Mr. "never been wrong about anyone except Zadina" said about Seider:

Damn, this is brutal lol. I wonder what I said about him. Don’t think I was happy , definitely got proven way wrong

 

[Debrincat93]

The idea that Kasper could turn out no better than Joe Veleno is super depressing. Thanks a lot.

Kid is 23, it aint like he's 28. relax.

 

[norrisnick]

Here's a hint....it's not true. He's literally Mr Debbie Downer. Consistently negative about everyone and everything drafted by the Wings. So if someone does well *cough Mazer cough* he doesnt acknowledge their existance.

*cough Mazer cough*? Try *cough Larkin cough*

Oh and Seider doesn't count either because we drafted him too early.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Max Bultman was on the latest winged wheel podcast for their mock of picks 1-43.

Said that Oskar Fisker Molgaard reminded him of young Mo Seider in interviews and seemed high on him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him higher than expected.

Episodes | Winged Wheel Podcast | Detroit Red Wings Hockey Podcast

 

[Hen Kolland]

Trust me dude, it’s depressing for me too. But literally the only guy I’ve been wrong about in the last like 15 years has been Zadina (I thought he was gonna be this goal scoring phenom).

You've been wrong about a lot more than just Zadina...don't give yourself too much credit

 

[Henkka]

You've been wrong about a lot more than just Zadina...

So many were wrong...

Some HFB mock drafts:

3. MTL - Zadina NHL Entry Draft: - 2018 1st Round Mock
5. ARI - Zadina 2018 Final Mock
3. MTL - Zadina NHL Entry Draft: - 2018 Mock Draft
3. OTT - Zadina 2018 Mock Draft
4. OTT - Zadina Final mock 2018
4. OTT - Zadina Mock Drafts 2018
etc.

Couldn't find a single mock where Zadina would fall out from Red Wings pick.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Pronman dropped a mock

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

(Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Reinbacher, Dvorsky, Leonard, Michkov)

9. Detroit Red Wings: Gabriel Perreault, RW, Usa U-18 (NTDP)

Detroit is in a very interesting spot at Nos. 9 and 17. They need skill/scoring but ideally, you walk away with a good defense prospect too. I don’t think you can guarantee Reinbacher, Tom Willander or Dmitri Simashev are still on the board at 17. So do you go Willander at No. 9? Some in the league feel that is a real possibility for Detroit. In this mock I have them opting for elite skill in Perreault, which gives their organization legit scoring talent alongside Lucas Raymond. I think either outcome is realistic. The big question is deep into a rebuild, what do you do if Michkov is available? I would think he would be a Red Wing in that scenario.

17. Detroit Red Wings: Danil But, LW, Yaroslavl Jr. (RUSSIA-JR.)

I’ve heard people in the league project Sandin Pellikka to Detroit at 17 here. I have a hard time seeing it based on the traits they typically develop in defensemen, but they do need a power-play QB type in the organization with Filip Hronek out. But, Barlow or Honzek would fit their types a lot more. With two high firsts and a strong history of recruiting Russians, Detroit can take a chance on But who many in the league think is a top-10 player on ability.

41: Detroit: Beau Akey, D, Barrie (OHL)
42: Detroit: Oscar Fisker Molgaard, C, Hv 71 (SWEDEN)
43: Detroit: Felix Nilsson, C, Rogle Jr. (SWEDEN-JR.)

 

[norrisnick]

Pronman dropped a mock

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

(Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Reinbacher, Dvorsky, Leonard, Michkov)

9. Detroit Red Wings: Gabriel Perreault, RW, Usa U-18 (NTDP)

Detroit is in a very interesting spot at Nos. 9 and 17. They need skill/scoring but ideally, you walk away with a good defense prospect too. I don’t think you can guarantee Reinbacher, Tom Willander or Dmitri Simashev are still on the board at 17. So do you go Willander at No. 9? Some in the league feel that is a real possibility for Detroit. In this mock I have them opting for elite skill in Perreault, which gives their organization legit scoring talent alongside Lucas Raymond. I think either outcome is realistic. The big question is deep into a rebuild, what do you do if Michkov is available? I would think he would be a Red Wing in that scenario.

17. Detroit Red Wings: Danil But, LW, Yaroslavl Jr. (RUSSIA-JR.)

I’ve heard people in the league project Sandin Pellikka to Detroit at 17 here. I have a hard time seeing it based on the traits they typically develop in defensemen, but they do need a power-play QB type in the organization with Filip Hronek out. But, Barlow or Honzek would fit their types a lot more. With two high firsts and a strong history of recruiting Russians, Detroit can take a chance on But who many in the league think is a top-10 player on ability.

41: Detroit: Beau Akey, D, Barrie (OHL)
42: Detroit: Oscar Fisker Molgaard, C, Hv 71 (SWEDEN)
43: Detroit: Felix Nilsson, C, Rogle Jr. (SWEDEN-JR.)

I like his 2nd round a hell of a lot more than his 1st...

 

[letsgowings9999]

If these guys had real scoring upside though, they would be drafted higher than the second round. Youre reading about guys having scoring "upside" because they play a flashier game, thats it. At some point in the second round, Lind is going to become just as likely to be a guy who scores like a Bertuzzi type as some "skill" player is going to start scoring at a high level.

A lot of upside talk, especially once you get out of the first round is just mumbo jumbo to be honest. All the prospects are going to have glaring flaws at that point and teams will figure out which players have the best chance of ironing them out

Zach Hyman would have no "upside" as a second rounder but hes on what should be 5 straight 20 goal seasons now despite that, while a guy like Zadina and that crazy upside hasnt put together much to show for it yet

Yes if they were thought of high upside guys they'd be 1st rounders but there's always guys who slip through the cracks and it's our scouts jobs to find these guys

I'd just rather take a gamble over a sure nhl player who'll likely be a 4th liner. Love bertuzzi but is he a consistent 30 goal guy? Top line guy? Again I love bert he might play on the top line for a few years on the new team or Boston if he stays but will he be a top line guy for 4yrs?

Wouldnt be upset if we get lind and he might turn into a top 6 stud but I'm taking risks. Cameron allen was projected to be a 1st rounder. We need help at rd and if we think there's something there and it was a bad season id take him. Maybe Take a guy with lots of skill and upside who didnt get a lot of ice time you believe has a shot

Anyways we'll see what happens I just hope if we move a 2nd it's to move up. Rather deal 3rd rounder for a husso type deal if that's the route stevie goes to

I like his 2nd round a hell of a lot more than his 1st...

Who went on his 2nd round? Like but at 17 not feeling perrault at 9

Nevermind just saw it lol

 

[WaW]

I keep seeing more and more speculation about Michkov to Washington at 8. Honestly if he's there at 6, we should offer Arizona 9 and 17 for 6. Michkov is the type of talent we've been screwed out of by dropping in the lottery every year and the end of his KHL deal lines up perfectly with the start of our window.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I keep seeing more and more speculation about Michkov to Washington at 8. Honestly if he's there at 6, we should offer Arizona 9 and 17 for 6. Michkov is the type of talent we've been screwed out of by dropping in the lottery every year and the end of his KHL deal lines up perfectly with the start of our window.

100%, but did the red wings get a meeting with him this week? There were reports that he took meetings with certain teams, but didn't respond to others for meetings.

If DET never got the call, then I'm not sure you draft him because that is a lot of assets/high pick on a guy who didn't want to meet with you...

 

[WaW]

100%, but did the red wings get a meeting with him this week? There were reports that he took meetings with certain teams, but didn't respond to others for meetings.

If DET never got the call, then I'm not sure you draft him because that is a lot of assets/high pick on a guy who didn't want to meet with you...

Eh I don't see why he wouldn't but I'm not sure.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Eh I don't see why he wouldn't but I'm not sure.

Oh I wouldn't either, I'm just pointing that out and hopefully someone could chime in if they read that he did or not.

 

[lilidk]

Pronman dropped a mock

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

(Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Reinbacher, Dvorsky, Leonard, Michkov)

9. Detroit Red Wings: Gabriel Perreault, RW, Usa U-18 (NTDP)

Detroit is in a very interesting spot at Nos. 9 and 17. They need skill/scoring but ideally, you walk away with a good defense prospect too. I don’t think you can guarantee Reinbacher, Tom Willander or Dmitri Simashev are still on the board at 17. So do you go Willander at No. 9? Some in the league feel that is a real possibility for Detroit. In this mock I have them opting for elite skill in Perreault, which gives their organization legit scoring talent alongside Lucas Raymond. I think either outcome is realistic. The big question is deep into a rebuild, what do you do if Michkov is available? I would think he would be a Red Wing in that scenario.

17. Detroit Red Wings: Danil But, LW, Yaroslavl Jr. (RUSSIA-JR.)

I’ve heard people in the league project Sandin Pellikka to Detroit at 17 here. I have a hard time seeing it based on the traits they typically develop in defensemen, but they do need a power-play QB type in the organization with Filip Hronek out. But, Barlow or Honzek would fit their types a lot more. With two high firsts and a strong history of recruiting Russians, Detroit can take a chance on But who many in the league think is a top-10 player on ability.

41: Detroit: Beau Akey, D, Barrie (OHL)
42: Detroit: Oscar Fisker Molgaard, C, Hv 71 (SWEDEN)
43: Detroit: Felix Nilsson, C, Rogle Jr. (SWEDEN-JR.)

Don't understand Perrault at 9, it's not what this team needs it's not how Yzerman , I hope , drafts. He likes to take dynamic, preferably big guys. Id take even Barlow before Perrault at 9.

 

[Holden Caufield]

41: Detroit: Beau Akey, D, Barrie (OHL)
42: Detroit: Oscar Fisker Molgaard, C, Hv 71 (SWEDEN)
43: Detroit: Felix Nilsson, C, Rogle Jr. (SWEDEN-JR.

Akey and Fisker Molgaard would be incredible. I’d be pleased with this 2nd round.

Also Notable that Cristall, Haltunnen, Gauthier, Heidt, Pekarcik, Ziemmer, Gibson and Sawchyn would have also been available and went after 43.

Yzerman mentioned this in the presser yesterday. Said they have done a lot of projections and he believes there is going to be some very good players available at 41-43.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Don't understand Perrault at 9, it's not what this team needs it's not how Yzerman , I hope , drafts. He likes to take dynamic, preferably big guys. Id take even Barlow before Perrault at 9.

not at forward he dosnt

 

[newfy]

All you're doing is naming a late bloomer that didn't produce in his draft season. Bert was .5 ppg his draft season but improved considerably the next 2. Pretty much everyone here felt he would've been there in the 3rd round.

The last guy you mentioned doesn't even support your argument. Zach Hyman was a 5th rounder that scored 75pts in 48 games, but he did it in Junior A. That's why he fell. Very few players out of Junior A get picked in the first 2 rounds.

If your argument is to pick late bloomers and junior A guys in the second round while avoiding kids that scored in the CHL, you'll get laughed at by pretty much anyone that follows hockey. It's nice to snag late bloomers like Bert, Elmer, or even Helm, but that shouldn't be the draft plan, especially for the first 2 rounds. 3rd round or later? Yeah sure, swing away at guys like Mazur or Lombardi. I mean how do you even tell if a kid is gonna be a late bloomer or just stay sucky? Because he plays tough? Givani had twice as many points as Bert in his draft year.

If youre picked in the second round and end up a top 6 player, what are you exactly? A late bloomer. If a skilled "top 6" player has already bloomed, hes not going in the second round, hes going in the first.

So absolutely take late bloomers, draft the effective hockey players and dont make up crap about "upside" especially. Hyman supports my point, hes an effective hockey player that doesnt have a flashy style. If people on this website had their way, the wings would never consider a player like him. The same posters said the exact same stuff about Larkin, Bertuzzi, Seider and now theyre starting to look bad about Mazur. All the wings "low" upside picks, are their best picks the last several years

Not to mention, the prospect that was being discussed (who I'm not even saying is a must draft), Kalan Lind, was on pace for over 25 goals and over a point per game this season. We can throw whatever names we want out that have worked out in the draft and havent worked out, but at the end of the day the goal is to draft effective players.

Go ahead and build a winning team out of Cory Emmertons if you want to though. Moral of the story, "high upside" on this site outside of the first round is just speak for guy with nice hands that has big numbers. It has nothing to do with how effective they are as hockey players

Akey and Fisker Molgaard would be incredible. I’d be pleased with this 2nd round.

Also Notable that Cristall, Haltunnen, Gauthier, Heidt, Pekarcik, Ziemmer, Gibson and Sawchyn would have also been available and went after 43.

Yzerman mentioned this in the presser yesterday. Said they have done a lot of projections and he believes there is going to be some very good players available at 41-43.

Basically all those guys you listed really strike me as Yzerman/Draper types of picks. Theyre definitely names to watch for on day 2 and I would argue are more likely than Akey.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Two wingers in the first round? I like both, but i have a hard time believing that will play out.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Don't understand Perrault at 9, it's not what this team needs it's not how Yzerman , I hope , drafts. He likes to take dynamic, preferably big guys. Id take even Barlow before Perrault at 9.

I just don't see how Leonard, Dvorsky, and/or Benson won't be available at 9. One of those guys will be available and one of those guys should be our pick.

 

[norrisnick]

I just don't see how Leonard, Dvorsky, and/or Benson won't be available at 9. One of those guys will be available and one of those guys should be our pick.

If Reinbacher doesn't go in the top 8.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

If Moore is still available at 17. I don't see how Stevie and co don't pick him tbh.

 

[Detroit Knights]

If Reinbacher doesn't go in the top 8.

I like Reinbacher and we need RHD in the pipeline. Wouldn't be upset with him being chosen, I would just prefer high IQ forwards that have shown ability to score at #9. For some reason, I do think Reinbacher get's chosen before 9 though.

I think ASP/Reinbacher/Willander are options at 17. One of them have to be available there, but even then, tbh, I would probably prefer Wood, Danielson, moore, because they would give us more forward scoring with bigger bodies (hope one turns into a tuch/thompson/ or franzen without the concussions issues).

 

[norrisnick]

I like Reinbacher and we need RHD in the pipeline. Wouldn't be upset with him being chosen, I would just prefer high IQ forwards that have shown ability to score at #9. For some reason, I do think Reinbacher get's chosen before 9 though.

I think ASP/Reinbacher/Willander are options at 17. One of them have to be available there, but even then, tbh, I would probably prefer Wood, Danielson, moore, because they would give us more forward scoring with bigger bodies (hope one turns into a tuch/thompson/ or franzen without the concussions issues).

My ideal 1st round is Dvorsky/Willander. If Dvorsky is gone Wood/Willander. I want a big body that can possess the puck and score. And a RD.

 

[Detroit Knights]

My ideal 1st round is Dvorsky/Willander. If Dvorsky is gone Wood/Willander. I want a big body that can possess the puck and score. And a RD.

Understandable. Wood at 9 seems like it would be a stretch. That's why trading for 11OA + Myers would be very beneficial because you could get willander/asp at 11 most likely and wood should be there at 17.

Benson/Dvorsky/Leonard
Willander/ASP
Wood/Danielson/Moore

I was all in on Dvorsky, but for some reason I am not teetering with wanting Benson more now. I don't see how Leonard could fall and I would probably take him over both, just not sure if he is there or not.

Screw it, package all the 2nds and 3rds this year and Bos 1st next year for another 1st and get another guy, why not? This is the year to get as many 1st's as possible isn't it? Not next year.

 

[norrisnick]

Understandable. Wood at 9 seems like it would be a stretch. That's why trading for 11OA + Myers would be very beneficial because you could get willander/asp at 11 most likely and wood should be there at 17.

Benson/Dvorsky/Leonard
Willander/ASP
Wood/Danielson/Moore

I was all in on Dvorsky, but for some reason I am not teetering with wanting Benson more now. I don't see how Leonard could fall and I would probably take him over both, just not sure if he is there or not.

Screw it, package all the 2nds and 3rds this year and Bos 1st next year for another 1st and get another guy, why not? This is the year to get as many 1st's as possible isn't it? Not next year.

I want nothing to do with ASP. A Quinn Hughes that can't skate? Pass.

But yes. I am all-in on picking 3-4 times in the top 20 this year.