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2023 Draft Discussion

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RedHawkDown said:
I think he’s got Marner upside. He doesn’t have the stick work, 1on1 ability or elite agility of Marner but his IQ is probably better than Marners at the time of the draft, he’s a similar or better passer, and he’s a harder worker/more tenacious.
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I don't want to talk traits in comparative terms for Benson vs. Marner. They are similar in that their decision making is so advanced compared to others. Processing speed is extremely high. Like I loved Raymond's ability to buy himself time as a prospect and how he would create space by slipping a check or cutting back, but the thing that has frustrated me this year is that he seems to wait for an obvious play to develop on the backside of creating space.

What makes Marner special and the actual comparable attribute that Benson has is that they read and react exceptionally better than most of their peers. They see a window and they execute before it can close.

How they dress it up is different. I think Benson handles contact better, Marner is more evasive with his skating. But the way that they both excel is creating for their teammates in spaces that very few people regularly take advantage of. The question for Benson is going to be if he can consistently make that skill set translate as well as Marner has. Marner's overall IQ seems higher to me with how efficient he is defensively, but Benson is certainly more of a shit stirrer with how he works.
 
Chad Smiley said:
If Zach Benson is on the board and Yzerman selects Honzek I will be done. Stop reaching for players that you think fit a certain mold and take the best talent. The Wings need goal scorers. Honzek isn't close to a top 10 talent. He will be at #17 all day long.
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The more I read about Honzek the more I think someone will reach for him between 8 and 12. I personally wouldn’t, but I can see the appeal.
 
Henkka said:
Quite sure that Top7 is locked to go at Top8.

There could be probably one reach. Then it's Wings time to pick.

1.Bedard
2.Michkov
3.Fantilli
4.Carlsson
5.Smith
6.Benson
7.Dvorsky
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Maybe some surprise pick (defenceman maybe?) before Dvorsky etc. but don't think there will be two.

Also the order could be anything after Bedard. But same Top7 guys will be gone before #9, at any order.
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There isn't a top 7 and nothing feels certain in his draft.

I'd say there seems to be a definitive top 5, 4 of which seemingly will go in the top 5 no doubt. The odd man out seems to be Michkov depending on how teams take into consideration the political landscape, the timeline, the attitude. I'm anticipating that he's still gone before the Wings pick.

After the 5 (Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Michkov) it becomes fair game. I'm expecting at least one defenseman to be gone by 9. Players like Danielson, Barlow, Perreault, Leonard, Wood, Sandin-Pellikka, Moore, Honzek, Benson all factor in the top 10 discussion in my eyes and any of them could go.
 
Hen Kolland said:
There isn't a top 7 and nothing feels certain in his draft.

I'd say there seems to be a definitive top 5, 4 of which seemingly will go in the top 5 no doubt. The odd man out seems to be Michkov depending on how teams take into consideration the political landscape, the timeline, the attitude. I'm anticipating that he's still gone before the Wings pick.

After the 5 (Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Michkov) it becomes fair game. I'm expecting at least one defenseman to be gone by 9. Players like Danielson, Barlow, Perreault, Leonard, Wood, Sandin-Pellikka, Moore, Honzek, Benson all factor in the top 10 discussion in my eyes and any of them could go.
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Smith is not so certain at top 5. They're only top 3 or 4
 
Henkka said:
Quite sure that Top7 is locked to go at Top8.

There could be probably one reach. Then it's Wings time to pick.

1.Bedard
2.Michkov
3.Fantilli
4.Carlsson
5.Smith
6.Benson
7.Dvorsky
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Maybe some surprise pick (defenceman maybe?) before Dvorsky etc. but don't think there will be two.

Also the order could be anything after Bedard. But same Top7 guys will be gone before #9, at any order.
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If that is the case, then leonard would be available and we definitely should be choosing him if dvorsky and benson are gone................That is a hell of a consolation prize.
 
Chicago : Bedard
Anaheim : Fantilli
Columbus : Carlsson
San jose : Smith
Montreal : Reinbacher/Leonard
Arizona : Reinbacher/Leonard/Benson
Philly : Reinbacher/Leonard/ Dvorsky
Washington : Michkov :(
Detroit : Benson / Dvorsky
 


They are an analytics site based on offensive production and historical comparisons to determine the likelihood of a player becoming a star producer.

Basically swing for the fences on offensive upsides. Don’t factor in much else.

All numbers based. So mostly blind of biases. (For better or worse)
 
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Barry Amsterdam said:
Chicago : Bedard
Anaheim : Fantilli
Columbus : Carlsson
San jose : Smith
Montreal : Reinbacher/Leonard
Arizona : Reinbacher/Leonard/Benson
Philly : Reinbacher/Leonard/ Dvorsky
Washington : Michkov :(
Detroit : Benson / Dvorsky
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I could see SJS or MTL go for michkov because they aren't contending anytime soon and can afford to wait the few years for him to come over, but CBJ definitely not taking him. ARI could too I guess, but I bet they are one of those teams that he hasn't responded to for an interview in Nashville as has been reported that he hasn't responded to some.
 
Detroit Knights said:
I could see SJS or MTL go for michkov because they aren't contending anytime soon and can afford to wait the few years for him to come over, but CBJ definitely not taking him. ARI could too I guess, but I bet they are one of those teams that he hasn't responded to for an interview in Nashville as has been reported that he hasn't responded to some.
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Montreal would be a very hard sell. The Habs go beyond a hockey organization and are considered part of the fabric of the community. A top 5 pick the brass wants to be able to hold up the selection with pride.

Regardless of your thoughts on Russia. A lot of people are very upset/ against Russia. The CHL has even banned them.
Then add on the outright rage from the community after the Logan Mailloux pick .

So soon after a pick like that, I don’t know if they have built back enough good will with the fans to take a Russian who also has so much uncertainty on when/if he will actually join the team.

I know those are not hockey related factors… but in that market sometimes it’s about more than hockey.

Maybe San Jose.
 
Henkka said:
Quite sure that Top7 is locked to go at Top8.

There could be probably one reach. Then it's Wings time to pick.

1.Bedard
2.Michkov
3.Fantilli
4.Carlsson
5.Smith
6.Benson
7.Dvorsky
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Maybe some surprise pick (defenceman maybe?) before Dvorsky etc. but don't think there will be two.

Also the order could be anything after Bedard. But same Top7 guys will be gone before #9, at any order.
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Leonard is ranked higher than Dvorsky more regularly. He started out lower this time last year, but since March he's a spot or two ahead of Dvorsky on average.


 
Holden Caufield said:


They are an analytics site based on offensive production and historical comparisons to determine the likelihood of a player becoming a star producer.

Basically swing for the fences on offensive upsides. Don’t factor in much else.

All numbers based. So mostly blind of biases. (For better or worse)
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Analytics and offensive production based and Perreault with the most productive USDP season ever is 12th?

That shit makes no sense and just looks random to me.

Carlsson was great in the SHL for his age too.

Seems like this guy is picking when production matters and when it doesn’t however he wants.
 
Frk It said:
Analytics and offensive production based and Perreault with the most productive USDP season ever is 12th?

That shit makes no sense and just looks random to me.

Carlsson was great in the SHL for his age too.

Seems like this guy is picking when production matters and when it doesn’t however he wants.
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It’s not only based on draft year.

D -1 year production is also factored in to their model.
Smith and Perrault had same equivalency this year, but Smith beat him by 6 last year.

Historic comparables are factored in too.
 
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RedHawkDown said:
I think he’s got Marner upside. He doesn’t have the stick work, 1on1 ability or elite agility of Marner but his IQ is probably better than Marners at the time of the draft, he’s a similar or better passer, and he’s a harder worker/more tenacious.
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If you think he has Marner upside then do you think he should go top 3/4/5?

The puck skills with guys like Kane or Marner… I mean you are talking about top 1%. So good where they can be dominant in the NHL at 160 something lbs, which is incredibly hard to do. Defenders play way off those guys because they don’t want to look dumb.

I like his IQ/Vision combined with his skill, but I don’t think you should expect him to have Marner type upside.
 
Frk It said:
If you think he has Marner upside then do you think he should go top 3/4/5?

The puck skills with guys like Kane or Marner… I mean you are talking about top 1%. So good where they can be dominant in the NHL at 160 something lbs, which is incredibly hard to do. Defenders play way off those guys because they don’t want to look dumb.

I like his IQ/Vision combined with his skill, but I don’t think you should expect him to have Marner type upside.
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Yes I would put him 4th or 5th. I’d take him above Smith without question. Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli/michkov/Benson.
 
Henkka said:
Quite sure that Top7 is locked to go at Top8.

There could be probably one reach. Then it's Wings time to pick.

1.Bedard
2.Michkov
3.Fantilli
4.Carlsson
5.Smith
6.Benson
7.Dvorsky
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Maybe some surprise pick (defenceman maybe?) before Dvorsky etc. but don't think there will be two.

Also the order could be anything after Bedard. But same Top7 guys will be gone before #9, at any order.
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I’m still pretty high on Reinbacher. The last time a first year draft eligible defenseman did what he did in a men’s league was Dahlin.

The guy might not turn into a 75+ point defender but I think he’ll end up a damn good defenseman. Very safely a 2nd pair floor while potentially becoming a McAvoy type top pair guy.
 
Detroit Knights said:
I could see SJS or MTL go for michkov because they aren't contending anytime soon and can afford to wait the few years for him to come over, but CBJ definitely not taking him. ARI could too I guess, but I bet they are one of those teams that he hasn't responded to for an interview in Nashville as has been reported that he hasn't responded to some.
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Arizona isn't going to pick him, they can't even sign kids born in the US.

Not sure about the other 2, but it's almost guaranteed that the Caps will draft him if he falls that far. They won their Cup with Russians.
 
Henkka said:
Quite sure that Top7 is locked to go at Top8.

There could be probably one reach. Then it's Wings time to pick.

1.Bedard
2.Michkov
3.Fantilli
4.Carlsson
5.Smith
6.Benson
7.Dvorsky
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Maybe some surprise pick (defenceman maybe?) before Dvorsky etc. but don't think there will be two.

Also the order could be anything after Bedard. But same Top7 guys will be gone before #9, at any order.
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Benson? Probably an option for us at 17.
 
If nothing else: Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Benson, Dvorsky, Reinbacher, and Leonard are a reasonable Top 9 in some order.

I would be fine with any of these guys as our picks and that’s assuming one or two of them don’t fall because Philly grabs someone like Wood or Honzek because of Torts physical, hard working, size preference, or the Yotes just go entirely out of left field and nab ASP or Wallinder because they like their upside over Reinbacher or whatever.

Long and the short of it - we’re going to grab a player here, regardless. Still hope it’s Benson who ends up in our lap (with a 2nd rd pick up of Heidt).
 
the Winged Wheel Podcast mock draft and the picks Detroit got, yeah I wouldn't be happy with that.
 
Chad Smiley said:
If Zach Benson is on the board and Yzerman selects Honzek I will be done. Stop reaching for players that you think fit a certain mold and take the best talent. The Wings need goal scorers. Honzek isn't close to a top 10 talent. He will be at #17 all day long.
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IMO, he won't be available at #17.
 
Frk It said:
Don’t get the Dvorsky offensive/upside concerns or Dvorsky concerns in general.

I’ll take Benson at 9 with no issue, but people on here talk about him like he is as skilled as Marner and he’s not (in my opinion).
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Alex Beauvillier.
 
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