2023 Draft Discussion
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Most of those players are still in development, Red Wings are in that annoying waiting period where we are literally waiting for those players to be ready. And this draft and off-season could fix those issues, like trading for Keller. Im more than ready trade both 2024 and 2025 1st round picks to improve the team.
Vegas didn't have a 100 point guy and neither did Carolina, the first one won the cup and second one still remains as cup contender. And if Yzerman is building a team like i suggested, Red Wings style of game is not going to generate 100 point players. Even if we had one in the roster.
I don't believe that is necessary to have perennial Art Ross and Richard-candidates in the team, that the team becomes a perennial cup contender. Those match up monsters and massive & mobile defense will do the trick, but it is necessary to get skill on the wings. Keller would be massive upgrade and i think Raymond & Berggren can grow in to it. Ras and Mazur brings grit to top-6.
Give me three Patrice Bergeron's and i can rule the hockey world, i always say. Therefore Dvorsky and Danielson are my favourites #9.
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My god this draft has so much information and I've been concentrating for that for last days. Finalizing my own list I've started to build already at 2021 summer.
This is damn good draft relatively for others. Something like 2003 and 2015, one of the greatest on this Century.
It's just... no matter who we draft, we will get 2 special players with both our #9 and #17 picks. Nothing like Rasmussen #9 level of guy in a weak draft year like that 2017 was. Or what that Zadina draft was. Years and draft classes are so different with overall strength of class. There could be next Jeff Carter or Zach Parise available at #9 and next Brent Burns, Getzlaf or Perry available at #17.
This draft will create future winners, who will hit with their picks. Just avoid the damn busts. Avoid them with smarts, and avoid them with luck.
This is damn good draft relatively for others. Something like 2003 and 2015, one of the greatest on this Century.
It's just... no matter who we draft, we will get 2 special players with both our #9 and #17 picks. Nothing like Rasmussen #9 level of guy in a weak draft year like that 2017 was. Or what that Zadina draft was. Years and draft classes are so different with overall strength of class. There could be next Jeff Carter or Zach Parise available at #9 and next Brent Burns, Getzlaf or Perry available at #17.
This draft will create future winners, who will hit with their picks. Just avoid the damn busts. Avoid them with smarts, and avoid them with luck.
And then a trade with Pittsburgh, getting 14 and Mikael Granlund for 31. Honzek is the pick at 14.
NHL Staff Mock Draft 2.0: Bedard is No. 1, but where do Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov land?
Who did The Athletic's NHL beat writers pick in their mock draft? In this exercise, we predict the first round of the 2023 NHL Draft.
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I'd much rather skip the first trade and just do 14 and Granlund for 41 and a 3rd.And then a trade with Pittsburgh, getting 14 and Mikael Granlund for 31. Honzek is the pick at 14.
NHL Staff Mock Draft 2.0: Bedard is No. 1, but where do Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov land?
Who did The Athletic's NHL beat writers pick in their mock draft? In this exercise, we predict the first round of the 2023 NHL Draft.
Pick 9 + 14 + 17 interests me a hell of a lot more than Michkov and Hzonek.
I don't think the goal should necessarily be, "get a 100 point player and then we'll be OK."
I like the model of build a great deal of depth and then we can make a run. Right now Detroit's lack of offense is more due to lack of overall depth rather than lack of a superstar.
Look at Vegas as an example; Marchessault, Stone and Eichel are legit first liners. None scored at a superstar pace this season and they just won the cup. The teams they beat (Minus Winnipeg who only had an 80 point scorer) each had 100 point scorers but inferior depth. Vegas' regular season leaders would have been 2nd and 3rd on Detroit in scoring. But they did have 12 guys score 11 goals or more, and traded for Barbashev who would have scored about 20 goals and 50ish points over a full season.
Also look at Seattle; They beat Colorado in 7 and they took Dallas to 7 in a very tight series that came down to who was going to play a perfect game 7 rather than who had the better gamebreaker. They had 13 guys with 10 or more goals. 6 had 20 or more, and only 1 over 30 (Jared McCann with 40 while shooting 19%)
With Detroit's current cap structure (I'm expecting nobody gets paid more than Larkin unless they're top 10 at their positions) that Yzerman will follow models that look more similar to these teams than Florida, Colorado or other top heavy teams. And considering where we're drafting (back half of the top 10 and into the teens) that is probably a safer team to build than the "homerun swing" that many people here are preaching. It takes a lot of luck to get a guy that's going outside of the top 3 in a draft to develop into a point per game player.
And then a trade with Pittsburgh, getting 14 and Mikael Granlund for 31. Honzek is the pick at 14.
NHL Staff Mock Draft 2.0: Bedard is No. 1, but where do Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov land?
Who did The Athletic's NHL beat writers pick in their mock draft? In this exercise, we predict the first round of the 2023 NHL Draft.
Name aside, Honzek doesn't appeal to me at all. He seems about as vanilla as a prospect can get.
Question:
What does Detroit do with the three in a row picks in the 2nd?
Draft all of them?
Trade(one, two, all)?
What do you think?
What does Detroit do with the three in a row picks in the 2nd?
Draft all of them?
Trade(one, two, all)?
What do you think?
Id trade up for extra late , early second, one of those guys could be traded for player. We don't draft generally good in second.
This draft is different. I would still draft with every pick available.
Yeah, on a weak draft year, sell the picks and go for reaches. On a strong year like this, I'd try to use all the picks and trade down to get extra if possible.
Our Finnish mock we reached the 3rd round. And after quite massive study, I ended up drafting Denver Barkey from London Knights. How does others in here feel about Barkey?
So far at draft:
9. W Ryan Leonard
17. RD Tom Willander
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41. G Michal Hrabal
42. RW Koehn Ziemmer
43. RW Jayden Perron
73. C Denver Barkey
Leonard - Barkey - Perron/Ziemmer
XXX - Willander
Hrabal
Another options at same talent group were LW Roman Kantserov, F Luca Pinelli, LW Aydar Suniev, LD Andrew Strathmann, LD Arttu Kärki, F Coulson Pitre, RD Jordan Tourigny, F Felix Nilsson, F Timur Mukhanov and RW Alexander Rykov.
I basicly skipped the LDs because we are so staked on LD for the future. Also skipped wingers, because there wasn't anything special versus others and to look more on possible centers. Also the first picks in this draft were already wingers (Leonard, Ziemmer, Perron), so the "center hole" was time to get plugged. After I noticed Pinelli and Pitre being winger for the whole last season, the selection was clear - Denver Barkey.
Dobberprospects ranked him at #34 at highest rank of any ranks. Corey Pronman didn't rank him very high (101st) thanks to his small size, but man I loved that analyze of him.
What do you guys think? Plays a fearless game, does drive on the net like small players won't usually do, and is a great two-way player. Produced well for London.
Didn't shine on the combine, anyhow, so I think there's potential to improve on physical side.
So far at draft:
9. W Ryan Leonard
17. RD Tom Willander
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41. G Michal Hrabal
42. RW Koehn Ziemmer
43. RW Jayden Perron
73. C Denver Barkey
Leonard - Barkey - Perron/Ziemmer
XXX - Willander
Hrabal
Another options at same talent group were LW Roman Kantserov, F Luca Pinelli, LW Aydar Suniev, LD Andrew Strathmann, LD Arttu Kärki, F Coulson Pitre, RD Jordan Tourigny, F Felix Nilsson, F Timur Mukhanov and RW Alexander Rykov.
I basicly skipped the LDs because we are so staked on LD for the future. Also skipped wingers, because there wasn't anything special versus others and to look more on possible centers. Also the first picks in this draft were already wingers (Leonard, Ziemmer, Perron), so the "center hole" was time to get plugged. After I noticed Pinelli and Pitre being winger for the whole last season, the selection was clear - Denver Barkey.
Dobberprospects ranked him at #34 at highest rank of any ranks. Corey Pronman didn't rank him very high (101st) thanks to his small size, but man I loved that analyze of him.
What do you guys think? Plays a fearless game, does drive on the net like small players won't usually do, and is a great two-way player. Produced well for London.
Didn't shine on the combine, anyhow, so I think there's potential to improve on physical side.
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Jayden Perron could be our Marchessault. For all the talk of big players it was the smallest player who won the Conn Smythe.
I'd love to get Willander at 17 but I kinda think that dream is dead.
Like, I'm going to learn something from his mock draft just as a one example.
When I have been going winger-heavy, kind of BPA-thing, didn't get any centers in this draft before the 3rd round. All centers are reached earlier, it's just the how drafting will always go. Centers are more important for the game, more valuable in trades etc.
When the 9th overall was BPA (Leonard), I excluded all center options for BPA. I was ready to take Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Dvorsky at #9, and of course, all went already at Top6. Michkov was the only winger at Top6. I was just "damn, part 1"
I also don't how probable Center Benson is, but he went also before the 9th overall. So Oliver Moore was there, Danielson and Yager, but I'm not gonna draft them before Leonard. Should I have done that?
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Then at 17th I was going after RH defenceman Willander, because I really like him. Will the mistake happen in here? Moore and Yager were gone, but Danielson was there. He went at 21st to Minnesota.
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With 2nd round picks, imo, was time to pick the best goalie with those 3 picks, some extra possibilities ahead of others with less 2nd round picks. On that point I started to look also on centers, but - again - noticed that they are already gone. Koehn Ziemmer as power-forward looked very interesting and Jayden Perron as smallish scoring winger too.
So I had completed 5 picks, and getting 3 wingers, 1 goalie and 1 defenceman. At which point should I have taken the center and skip the non-center option`?
9th overall scenario - W Leonard vs. Center Moore/Yager/Danielson
17th overall scenario - RD Willander vs. Center Danielson/Ritchie/Honzek/Stenberg
41st overall scenario - G Hrabal vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
42nd overall scenario - RW Ziemmer vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
43rd overall scenario - RW Perron vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
73rd overall - I finally drafted Denver Barkey, who isn't anyhow surefire NHL center either.
Does Barkey fit need at this time, or which earlier pick should I have done different to get the Center ?
I think I'm gonna make a poll of this. It's very interesting. This same thing happens always if going BPA. Centers are gone before your pick (if you don't dig the center far further down from your list) and your hand is full of wingers after the draft.
When I have been going winger-heavy, kind of BPA-thing, didn't get any centers in this draft before the 3rd round. All centers are reached earlier, it's just the how drafting will always go. Centers are more important for the game, more valuable in trades etc.
When the 9th overall was BPA (Leonard), I excluded all center options for BPA. I was ready to take Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Dvorsky at #9, and of course, all went already at Top6. Michkov was the only winger at Top6. I was just "damn, part 1"
I also don't how probable Center Benson is, but he went also before the 9th overall. So Oliver Moore was there, Danielson and Yager, but I'm not gonna draft them before Leonard. Should I have done that?
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Then at 17th I was going after RH defenceman Willander, because I really like him. Will the mistake happen in here? Moore and Yager were gone, but Danielson was there. He went at 21st to Minnesota.
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With 2nd round picks, imo, was time to pick the best goalie with those 3 picks, some extra possibilities ahead of others with less 2nd round picks. On that point I started to look also on centers, but - again - noticed that they are already gone. Koehn Ziemmer as power-forward looked very interesting and Jayden Perron as smallish scoring winger too.
So I had completed 5 picks, and getting 3 wingers, 1 goalie and 1 defenceman. At which point should I have taken the center and skip the non-center option`?
9th overall scenario - W Leonard vs. Center Moore/Yager/Danielson
17th overall scenario - RD Willander vs. Center Danielson/Ritchie/Honzek/Stenberg
41st overall scenario - G Hrabal vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
42nd overall scenario - RW Ziemmer vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
43rd overall scenario - RW Perron vs. Center Fisker Mölgåård/Rehkopf
73rd overall - I finally drafted Denver Barkey, who isn't anyhow surefire NHL center either.
Does Barkey fit need at this time, or which earlier pick should I have done different to get the Center ?
I think I'm gonna make a poll of this. It's very interesting. This same thing happens always if going BPA. Centers are gone before your pick (if you don't dig the center far further down from your list) and your hand is full of wingers after the draft.
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In that scenario if you really wanted a center, I'd probably pick Mölgaard instead of Ziemmer
Yes and no , guys like Sawchyn, Cristall , Molgaard and Lardis not going to be available at 40ies. We have opportunity to get 3 good ones
Swap Koehn Ziemmer for Felix Nilsson and I would be super happy with this draft.
More Simashev smoke. From the hf Russian prospect post (a really good write up of the top Russians this year btw) had this tidbit.
"Maybe a bit of an interesting note that during the recent Russia U20 tournament some guys were offered to predict which team drafts them, Simashev named the Red Wings and Kantserov named the Penguins. Might be sort of an indicator of which teams showed interest so far."
"Maybe a bit of an interesting note that during the recent Russia U20 tournament some guys were offered to predict which team drafts them, Simashev named the Red Wings and Kantserov named the Penguins. Might be sort of an indicator of which teams showed interest so far."
He also shouldn't have won the conn smythe.
It should have went to Stone. They just gave it to Marchessault because it was a "good story" as an original player. But Stone deserved it a hell of a lot more.
Honestly, probably when you took Willander if anything. I think the wings are going to pick Honzek from some of the news that has come out with his interview. Obviously that could just be conjecture or something.
I remember reading somewhere on here that people were liking stenberg? Maybe he would have been chosen, but if Danielson is available, I think he would be the pick if not Honzek. Danielson just reminds me of tage thompson or alex tuch too much too pass up.
MAYBE he meant that the red wings were going to pick michkov because it was obvious that no one wants him and that we know how to defect players with ease. I think that's what he means. Pretty sure.
AND THEN we can get him in the second round because no other gm will take risks on russians and we make out like bandits.
Just spit ballin here.
BUT SIZE... AND A DEFENCEMAN... YOU CAN'T TEACH SIZE... It's Yzerman.
Not excited about Simashev at all, but they know better, if they are gonna pick him. Maybe at #17 ?
That's what I'm thinking too. I see him as a potential #17 target if he's still there for Detroit. Have to go forward with #9, this draft is really forward heavy we're guaranteed to get a kid at 9 that goes 5 or 6 of he was in another year's class.BUT SIZE... AND A DEFENCEMAN... YOU CAN'T TEACH SIZE... It's Yzerman.
Not excited about Simashev at all, but they know better, if they are gonna pick him. Maybe at #17 ?
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