lilidk
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2023 Draft Discussion
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Gniwder
IN TODD WE TRUST
Quite frankly I liked all of the picks last year except James.
Mazur is a 3rd rounder, anything beyond the 2nd round is a complete crap shoot. At that point the team should be picking any kid that has NHL potential.
It's just the early 2nd round picks, no idea why Draper keeps wasting them.
norrisnick
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Hopefully it's the scouts of Montreal, Philly, Arizona and Washington...
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Rethought my thinking about draft recently. My thinking is what player demands to be picked; what player do we need on our team based on the skills abributes they possess that others may lack.
T1
1)Berdard (no explanation needed)
T2
2)Fantilli
3)Carlsson
4)Michkov (no explanation needed)
T3
5)Reinbacher (big, mobile, D with size and enough hockey IQ to handle some tough matchups, perfect guy to play behind seider)
6)Moore (arguably best skater in draft, 2 way play, can drive his own line)
7)Leonard (skilled and gritty, could be tkachuk kind of player)
8)Will Smith (super high skilled playmaking, defensive play and motor a bit of a concern)
T4
9)Benson (super skilled and greasy competitive (his family runs carnival), high motor, a tad small and skating could be better)
10)Dvorsky (a lesser Carlsson or Fantilli, but big frame but half-decent around skill, could be a greaat pick with right developement)
To be continued
T1
1)Berdard (no explanation needed)
T2
2)Fantilli
3)Carlsson
4)Michkov (no explanation needed)
T3
5)Reinbacher (big, mobile, D with size and enough hockey IQ to handle some tough matchups, perfect guy to play behind seider)
6)Moore (arguably best skater in draft, 2 way play, can drive his own line)
7)Leonard (skilled and gritty, could be tkachuk kind of player)
8)Will Smith (super high skilled playmaking, defensive play and motor a bit of a concern)
T4
9)Benson (super skilled and greasy competitive (his family runs carnival), high motor, a tad small and skating could be better)
10)Dvorsky (a lesser Carlsson or Fantilli, but big frame but half-decent around skill, could be a greaat pick with right developement)
To be continued
Red Wings has drafted at least 2 players every year from USHL since 2019. Mastrosimone and Phillips in 2019. Stange, Aucoin and Bradley in 2020. Mazur and Buium in 2021 and James & Mehlenbacher 2022. 9 players in total and Ali who went to play in USHL.
2008-2018 Red Wings drafted 7 players from USHL. Nicastro, Jensen, Mckee, Pearson, Petruzelli, Adams, O'Reilly and 2 players who went to play in USHL, Marshall & Holway.
10 players in last 4 years and Holland selected 9 players during a 10 year period. Quite a change, Yzerman must like USHL as developmental ground. It's quite safe to say that we will see Red Wings select players from USHL this year as well.
Whitelaw sounds like a Draper-pick and compared to Yanni Gourde...
Who else we like?
Tanner Ludtke at eliteprospects.com
Cole Knuble at eliteprospects.com Red Wings bound since birth
Ryan Conmy at eliteprospects.com
Sam Harris at eliteprospects.com
Zaccharya Wisdom at eliteprospects.com
Eli Sebastian at eliteprospects.com
Jimmy Clark at eliteprospects.com
Matthew Perkins at eliteprospects.com
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603220/griffin-erdman
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/674708/michael-burchill
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/637628/andrew-strathmann
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/659260/nicholas-vantassell
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/691530/benjamin-poitras
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/526484/michael-deangelo
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/599375/tanner-adams
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/664653/jayson-shaugabay
Red Wings has drafted at least 2 players every year from USHL since 2019. Mastrosimone and Phillips in 2019. Stange, Aucoin and Bradley in 2020. Mazur and Buium in 2021 and James & Mehlenbacher 2022. 9 players in total and Ali who went to play in USHL.
2008-2018 Red Wings drafted 7 players from USHL. Nicastro, Jensen, Mckee, Pearson, Petruzelli, Adams, O'Reilly and 2 players who went to play in USHL, Marshall & Holway.
10 players in last 4 years and Holland selected 9 players during a 10 year period. Quite a change, Yzerman must like USHL as developmental ground. It's quite safe to say that we will see Red Wings select players from USHL this year as well.
Whitelaw sounds like a Draper-pick and compared to Yanni Gourde...
Who else we like?
Tanner Ludtke at eliteprospects.com
Cole Knuble at eliteprospects.com Red Wings bound since birth
Ryan Conmy at eliteprospects.com
Sam Harris at eliteprospects.com
Zaccharya Wisdom at eliteprospects.com
Eli Sebastian at eliteprospects.com
Jimmy Clark at eliteprospects.com
Matthew Perkins at eliteprospects.com
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603220/griffin-erdman
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/674708/michael-burchill
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/637628/andrew-strathmann
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/659260/nicholas-vantassell
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/691530/benjamin-poitras
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/526484/michael-deangelo
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/599375/tanner-adams
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/664653/jayson-shaugabay
SantosHalper
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Well we could do that or we could give these prospects more time to develop, before we call them as mistakes.
Henkka
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Yeah, also Yzerman changed half of our scouts and Mastrosimone was from the old staff. I wouldn't generalize USHL picks anyhow.
Also, one thing I've noted lately, is not the series where do they come from. It's where are they going.
Red Wings scouting staff seems to value good developing programs - AFTER THE DRAFT. Big difference, imo, it has been affecting on their selections for a while. Usually they know the career change at draft time. Where the kid is coming from and where he is going next.
Like that Denver is praised and many guys have gone there after draft. Also won't seem to hurt, if you are from already from Rögle or Frölunda, or going there. Mazur is definitely the current success story, USHL pick, was going to Denver great program, personality known by Draper. Think we could see more of these in near years.
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SantosHalper
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I've been saying like a year now, that developmental area matters to Yzerman. I would say that it matters before the draft as well.
Since 2019
Players selected from Europe/players taking the college route: 30
Players selected from CHL: 8
I left Bednar out because he was drafted from Europe but went to CHL. Frankly it doesn't change much, the numbers are extremely one sided.
You actually pointed out how Yzerman doesn't seem to like the NTDP-players and almost all of them end up in NCAA. Yzerman has drafted only 2 NTDP players in his career, Savage(#114, 2021) and John MacLeod(#57, 2014). 3 if you want to count, Cam Darcy #185 overall 2014. Darcy was overaged in 2014 and was drafted from QMJHL but he did play 2 years in NTDP.
Interesting part is that after Yzerman left Tampa, they have started to draft more players from the NTPD. Eamon Powell #116 overall 2020, Roman Schmidt #96 overall 2021, Dylan Duke #126 overall 2021, Isaac Howard #31 overall 2022.
Sam Harris, future Red Wing?
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Anyone know why Willander was allowed to get a couple of SHL games in before going to play college, but Tuomisto could only play J20? Different rules for Liiga vs shl?
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Hmm, interesting case. Maybe Sweden has try-out contracts like AHL has those amateur pro try-out contracts, which will exclude college rules. It has always felt as somekind of loophole.
norrisnick
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Could be different contract structures, yeah.
NCAA is pretty much a farce. It's the equivalent of the early O6 NHL. Pro league, big money for the owners, but the players get screwed.
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I'm at Michkov/Leonard/Moore/Dvorsky/Benson for 9 and for 17 I like Simashev/Barlow/Danielson. For our trifecta in the 2nd I like Whitelaw/Lardis/Sawchyn/Stramel/Cristall/Perron
Obviously all those players won't be there where I'm targeting them.
Obviously all those players won't be there where I'm targeting them.
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It depends on the type of contract the player is signed to. Junior players in Sweden can play professionally on amateur contracts but once they pass a certain threshold for minutes played, there
organization is obligated to sign them to a more lucrative professional contract that would make the player ineligible to get a NCAA scholarship.
So while Willander did suit up for Rogle in the men's league, he never actually got any minutes, allowing him to keep his amateur status.
Dobber Prospects has Dvorsky at 15.
DP Scouting Team’s Final Rankings for the 2023 NHL Draft
The 2023 NHL Draft Class is a special one for a number of reasons. First, it contains an undoubtedly generational talent. Second, its depth is remarkable, our Top 50 prospects are, in our estimation, first-round talents. Third, it was the first draft class to regain the privilege of a "normal"...
dobberprospects.com
norrisnick
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More hope!Dobber Prospects has Dvorsky at 15.
DP Scouting Team’s Final Rankings for the 2023 NHL Draft
The 2023 NHL Draft Class is a special one for a number of reasons. First, it contains an undoubtedly generational talent. Second, its depth is remarkable, our Top 50 prospects are, in our estimation, first-round talents. Third, it was the first draft class to regain the privilege of a "normal"...dobberprospects.com
Though I've seen too many lists with Dvorsky and Reinbacher solidly in the top 10 to see them drop to mid 1st. This draft is going to be stressful to watch...
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Dobber Prospects has Dvorsky at 15.
DP Scouting Team’s Final Rankings for the 2023 NHL Draft
The 2023 NHL Draft Class is a special one for a number of reasons. First, it contains an undoubtedly generational talent. Second, its depth is remarkable, our Top 50 prospects are, in our estimation, first-round talents. Third, it was the first draft class to regain the privilege of a "normal"...dobberprospects.com
And I thought my ranking were pretty far strayed from some consensus.
These guys are in their own universe.
Nice to get some unique perspectives.
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still trying to trust the yzerplan
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ZDH
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He's #9 on McKeen's, #9 on Dobber, Elite Prospects has him #10. His skating is phenomenal and he has the hands to match. Kid can stickhandle in a phone booth. His defensive game is also elite, arguably tops in the entire draft. His puck retrieval/getting out of his zone is fantastic. Watch the YouTube film on him there's a few times where he fakes out the forward so badly on puck retrieval that the forward goes face first into the boards trying to catch Simashev. Pair that with his size and he's a slam dunk at #17 for me. I see at worst a stud #2 dman with Simashev. At this point I'm concerned if he'll be there at 17 tbh.
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norrisnick
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For a guy that gets to the middle as easily as he does, I’m surprised. He looks like he could take an eye out with those elbows
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