WC: 2023 Czech Team

[Namejs]

12 teams would work for me but many people would complain it is too much.

12 teams would be too much, 8 too few, 10 would be the sweet spot. 2 groups of 5, 1 gets eliminated, and the play off stage follows.

At least 4-5 games for each team.

Do a short round robin qualification tournament right before with teams ranked 9-12. This way it gives a fair chance to every decent team to qualify and it does not become a burden for the big teams, there would be no pointless games.

 

[BigBadBoar]

12 teams would be too much, 8 too few, 10 would be the sweet spot. 2 groups of 5, 1 gets eliminated, and the play off stage follows.

At least 4-5 games for each team.

Do a short round robin qualification tournament right before with teams ranked 9-12. This way it gives a fair chance to every decent team to qualify and it does not become a burden for the big teams, there would be no pointless games.

Yes, 10 teams sounds optimal to me too.

 

[Mirinho]

It was to be expected. The bad thing is that Kulich and Rousek almost certainly won't either, because he simply won't take them without trying them out. And they play their last game at the weekend, so even if they get knocked out, there's no time to test them. And everyone, including Lauko, would deserve a chance, in my opinion, they would revitalize the team a lot.

Yeah and that's pretty unfair. Kulich is playing AHL (it's 2nd or 3rd best hockey league on the world) and he scored there 24 goals. He had more goals than Smejkal for example and same amount of goals as Chlapik this season (and Chlapik is known as goal scorer). If Kulich won't be invited (if Rochester will be eliminated) I'll be pissed. He's 19 years old ... scoring goals in good league ... he's our future. What do they want to try on him? If he can play vs adult men? He's playing better league than all our euro guys ...

 

[BigBadBoar]

Yeah and that's pretty unfair. Kulich is playing AHL (it's 2nd or 3rd best hockey league on the world) and he scored there 24 goals. He had more goals than Smejkal for example and same amount of goals as Chlapik this season (and Chlapik is known as goal scorer). If Kulich won't be invited (if Rochester will be eliminated) I'll be pissed. He's 19 years old ... scoring goals in good league ... he's our future. What do they want to try on him? If he can play vs adult men? He's playing better league than all our euro guys ...

Smejkal is typologically a very different player that Kulich. Makes no sense to compare the two. Chlapík is typogically closer to Kulich. I think they are on similar quality level right now. Chlapík is much more experienced, Kulich is a prospect for future. I would give Kulich a chance if he's available.

 

[Goodman68]

Smejkal is typologically a very different player that Kulich. Makes no sense to compare the two. Chlapík is typogically closer to Kulich. I think they are on similar quality level right now. Chlapík is much more experienced, Kulich is a prospect for future. I would give Kulich a chance if he's available.

Well, yes, but he will only be available after the Czech Games. And they won't take him to the tournament without an exam..

 

[Wooren]

Kulich you take even without testing, or rather, you should. But this is the Czech national team we are talking about, so talentless plugs like Vozenilek or Lenc would be likely picked instead...

Btw I still gotta wonder where would Kulich go if the draft was held today. The best goalscorer on his AHL squad and he's 19.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Kulich you take even without testing, or rather, you should. But this is the Czech national team we are talking about, so talentless plugs like Vozenilek or Lenc would be likely picked instead...

Btw I still gotta wonder where would Kulich go if the draft was held today. The best goalscorer on his AHL squad and he's 19.

well, leo carlsson is on team sweden and we mostly dont take out young guys like that. so i guess there is a chance for kulich aswell

 

[martygod12]

Kulich you take even without testing, or rather, you should. But this is the Czech national team we are talking about, so talentless plugs like Vozenilek or Lenc would be likely picked instead...

Btw I still gotta wonder where would Kulich go if the draft was held today. The best goalscorer on his AHL squad and he's 19.

I remember Hronek I think it was in 2018, he went straight from AHL playoffs to WCH at age 20 or 21. So maybe there is still a bit of chance for Kulich.

But that was time when Jandac was coach and he generally played and gave chances to younger players. Kari is conservative, "veteran" players coach sadly.

 

[Czechboy]

Regarding Kulich... this tournament isn't like the U18 where you play 4 games in 5 nights. This tournament is slow and long and takes forever.

Our first game is May 12th - 9 days from now.
Quarterfinals begin on May 25th - 22 days from now.

There is plenty of time to get a player integrated into the team IF the coach wants to.

I agree Kari probably wants to see them at the Czech games in Brno but I don't think the EHT games mean much at all. They put too much stock into them.

Even funnier is a team like Canada has barely announced a roster, then they show up late, barely practice, lose a few games in round robin to lesser nations... guess where they end up? The finals usually.

 

[Czechboy]

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První zápas, první střídání a hned zranění. David Pastrňák vstoupil do play off NHL nešťastně, poranil si rameno a musel hrát přes bolest. Také proto nedokázal odvrátit nečekané vyřazení v 1. kole Stanley Cupu, Boston podlehl Floridě 3:4 na zápasy. A chuť si nejspíš hokejová hvězda nespraví ani...

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Really funny article. It says, that Pasta wont come to WCH, because he was injured in the first play off game, yet the same article is quoting Pasta who is saying something like "If we advanced to second round I would be 100% fit again, its a shame".

Well strange, that he would be 100% fit for the second round which started tonight, but he will be injured for WCH which is starting in a week from now

I totally respect the guy, and this look like it was cut out of context or formulated badly by media or whatever, but dont fed us with this "excuses" bs. Just say he is tired or dont want to go cause he wanna spend time with family and rest. But dont fed us with this strange injury bs which doesnt even add up lol.

Again, it seem more like a media fault and poorly written article then Pastas fault, but I just posted it here, cause its really funny how unlogical this statement is

FWIW.. there is not a 'no' yet. It sounds like Havlat will tell everyone on Thursday.

I do love this song and dance every year... in March.. we are told that everyone wants to come and there have been good talks.

Season ends, dead silence.. then we get 2 full time NHLers.lol

What happened to 'everyone wants to come'?

Anyways, if Pasta just said 'no' I'd respect it too. He has earned a turndown just like Hertl. He's been a great soldier. We'll see what Havlat says tomorrow.. hoping the Chytil and Zboril rumours are true! Hoping he's not stupid enough to not look at Kulich, Blumel, Rousek or Galvas if they become available in the next few days.

Something tells me thought that Kari has got his team and is not waivering.

 

[Czechboy]

Yeah and that's pretty unfair. Kulich is playing AHL (it's 2nd or 3rd best hockey league on the world) and he scored there 24 goals. He had more goals than Smejkal for example and same amount of goals as Chlapik this season (and Chlapik is known as goal scorer). If Kulich won't be invited (if Rochester will be eliminated) I'll be pissed. He's 19 years old ... scoring goals in good league ... he's our future. What do they want to try on him? If he can play vs adult men? He's playing better league than all our euro guys ...

I've always had this issue with the NT. Our best Juniors end up in AHL after U20 and the weaker ones end up in Extraliga from our U20 teams. Then, a few years later, the weaker players are regulars in extraliga and people think they are better than the guys in the AHL.lol We consistently see 'failed AHLers' come back and do very well in Europe. Spacek and Chlapik come to mind as recent examples.

 

[martygod12]

Regarding Kulich... this tournament isn't like the U18 where you play 4 games in 5 nights. This tournament is slow and long and takes forever.

Our first game is May 12th - 9 days from now.
Quarterfinals begin on May 25th - 22 days from now.

There is plenty of time to get a player integrated into the team IF the coach wants to.

I agree Kari probably wants to see them at the Czech games in Brno but I don't think the EHT games mean much at all. They put too much stock into them.

Even funnier is a team like Canada has barely announced a roster, then they show up late, barely practice, lose a few games in round robin to lesser nations... guess where they end up? The finals usually.

Thats the illnes of czech hockey. Everyone Is always afraid of taking the risk and always try to play it safe. Kari Is not Czcech, but I have a feeling that he shares that exact czech conservatism lol.

 

[BigBadBoar]

FWIW.. there is not a 'no' yet. It sounds like Havlat will tell everyone on Thursday.

I do love this song and dance every year... in March.. we are told that everyone wants to come and there have been good talks.

Season ends, dead silence.. then we get 2 full time NHLers.lol

What happened to 'everyone wants to come'?

Anyways, if Pasta just said 'no' I'd respect it too. He has earned a turndown just like Hertl. He's been a great soldier. We'll see what Havlat says tomorrow.. hoping the Chytil and Zboril rumours are true! Hoping he's not stupid enough to not look at Kulich, Blumel, Rousek or Galvas if they become available in the next few days.

Something tells me thought that Kari has got his team and is not waivering.

Pasta has currently important events ongoing in his private life. Everybody should respect that.

Thats the illnes of czech hockey. Everyone Is always afraid of taking the risk and always try to play it safe. Kari Is not Czcech, but I have a feeling that he shares that exact czech conservatism lol.

I don't think this is necessarily wrong. Kulich is a great prospect but he's still 19. Taking him for a tournament without a single preparation game would be a bold move. Fans usually evaluate players based on goals/points scored, but the coach has to see a wider picture. Jalonen has a system he wants his team to play, needs to be sure all players will be capable of playing in that system.

 

[martygod12]

Pasta has currently important events ongoing in his private life. Everybody should respect that.



I don't think this is necessarily wrong. Kulich is a great prospect but he's still 19. Taking him for a tournament without a single preparation game would be a bold move. Fans usually evaluate players based on goals/points scored, but the coach has to see a wider picture. Jalonen has a system he wants his team to play, needs to be sure all players will be capable of playing in that system.

Well of course. Its Always really hard work for the coach to make the correct team.

Its just from a fan perspective, Its much more interesting to see Kulich at WCH then the same old boring players like Sobotka or Zohorna for example.

Same for Svozil.

 

[Czechboy]

 

[Czechboy]

The insurance... this may be a new trend for the World's. Not getting the big stars because no one can afford the insurance.

 

[martygod12]

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The insurance... this may be a new trend for the World's. Not getting the big stars because no one can afford the insurance.

What the hell, since when this Is a thing?

I never noticed anyone talking about insurance when fór example Hertl or Voracek with theirs big contract were playing at WCH.

Anyway Its still ridiculous. There should be only something like an insurance deposit. If the player get injured the assicoation have to pay, but if je stays healthy they dont have to be obligated to pay anything.

 

[Czechboy]

What the hell, since when this Is a thing ?

Since EP couldn't come because of it a few weeks ago. I've just noticed no big names this year and am wondering if this insurance thing is part of it? Pasta's new contract (not like the one EP doesn't have and wants insured) is HUGE. None of our NHLer's are on big contracts.. makes me wonder. Could also be a conspiracy theory!

 

[martygod12]

Since EP couldn't come because of it a few weeks ago. I've just noticed no big names this year and am wondering if this insurance thing is part of it? Pasta's new contract (not like the one EP doesn't have and wants insured) is HUGE. None of our NHLer's are on big contracts.. makes me wonder. Could also be a conspiracy theory!

Hertl had over 8m contract right last year? And still came.

It seems weird, this was never a thing And suddenly from one year to another it is a huge obstacle?

Laine has almost 9m contract And still coming. I dont know, the insurance thing seems to me like a complete bs. All of the sudden Its a huge thing preventing stars to come to WCH? Feels a bit streched.

 

[Czechboy]

Hertl had over 8m contract right last year? And still came.

It seems weird, this was never a thing And suddenly from one year to another it is a huge obstacle?

Laine has almost 9m contract And still coming. I dont know, the insurance thing seems to me like a complete bs. All of the sudden Its a huge thing preventing stars to come to WCH? Feels a bit streched.

I'm not sure if Hertl's contract had kicked in. The 2015 Canada team was worth 100's of millions. I think this is a new 2023 problem or a new 2023 excuse. I could be wrong though.

 

[martygod12]

I'm not sure if Hertl's contract had kicked in. The 2015 Canada team was worth 100's of millions. I think this is a new 2023 problem or a new 2023 excuse. I could be wrong though.

I am not sure either, but I think it was before the 21/22 season, So he already had that big contract

But again Laine, 8.7m cap and still going.

And also wont the Pasta contract also kick in after the WCH?

 

[BigBadBoar]

What the hell, since when this Is a thing?

I never noticed anyone talking about insurance when fór example Hertl or Voracek with theirs big contract were playing at WCH.

Anyway Its still ridiculous. There should be only something like an insurance deposit. If the player get injured the assicoation have to pay, but if je stays healthy they dont have to be obligated to pay anything.

Insurance wouldn't be the problem. The "problem" is Pasta's private life, and everyone should accept that he is a human being, not a robot neither slave to the nation. I respect him for being a responsible person to his beloved at the first place.

 

[martygod12]

Insurance wouldn't be the problem. The "problem" is Pasta's private life, and everyone should accept that he is a human being, not a robot neither slave to the nation. I respect him for being a responsible person to his beloved at the first place.

Yeah sure, I totally respect that.

We were just dicussing this weird insurance bs what Is going on around in media this year.

And that Its weird that it should all of a sudden be a reason why some NHL player wont come. Why they even mention it as a potential Reason.

 

[Czechboy]

Insurance wouldn't be the problem. The "problem" is Pasta's private life, and everyone should accept that he is a human being, not a robot neither slave to the nation. I respect him for being a responsible person to his beloved at the first place.

We've both said, several times, that we are totally okay if he declines.

 

[BigBadBoar]

Yeah sure, I totally respect that.

We were just dicussing this weird insurance bs what Is going on around in media this year.

And that Its weird that it should all of a sudden be a reason why some NHL player wont come. Why they even mention it as a potential Reason.

As far as I remember, insurance issues were alwyas occurring. Maybe they weren't this medialized?