Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

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I don’t see how Makar’s contract is anything like Matthews. He’s the better player and signed for a significantly lower AAV. Only two years shy of max term too.

That contract has been a huge win for Colorado.

Both only bought 1 year of UFA setting up for a much larger payday. Both were at the high end of RFA comparables. Defensemen just typically get less than centers when comparing levels.

It’s entirely possible for contracts to workout for all parties. Makar’s certainly will.

Makar will cash in big time at the end of his deal. Whether short or long term, the number will be high. Makar’s agent is already on the record of maximizing earnings and the rumored first offer to the Avs supports that.

 

[JLo217]

Something I think is interesting about these 4-5 year deals is in some ways it actually benefits the team. As big of a fan of Cale I am, he has had some injury concerns, players decline with age, cap flexibility if they chose, and the team can get worst etc.

While it can bite a bit more when they reach the end of the shorter contracts, in some ways I think it overall can be seen as a two way benefit.

 

[Balthazar]

Makar’s agent is already on the record of maximizing earnings

Can't find the exact quote but he said something like going longer than 6 years would cost Cale too much money and the goal is to maximize career earnings.

 

[ANewHope]

Matthews played 3 seasons on ELC while Makar played only 2.

I don't think the Avs got lucky, the contract that Makar signed at the time was pretty much unheard of for a dman. 9M per almost exclusively RFA years, kicking in after only 2 years of ELC.

You have to look at the contract considering what they knew back then, not what you know now (Conn Smythe and the other contracts that were signed after him).

Makar even if you disagree on paper pretty much had no comparison. Even Fox took a year to become truly elite. Makar finished top 10 in Norris voting the season he won the calder. Finished 2nd in Norris voting his 2nd year. So that's basically the point. He was a guy who was going to get an unheard of contract no matter what.

Different positions and 99% of the time you can't do it but I actually think Matthews is the best comparable. Players who were elite from day 1 with very high potential and no risk. Blank check players who you basically have zero leverage with. Matthews got every single dollar. Makar didn't. He could have pushed for an 8 year deal that was ridiculous and got the pushback Matthews/Marner got. He could have went after double digits on a 5-6 year contract in the 10-11 range.

When you look back I don't think Matthews will have left anything on the table assuming he stays healthy. I think Makar's first contract will be one you'd want a re-do with if your his agent. Which is only going to hurt us with his next one .

 

[Chiarelli]

the days of cheap RFA years for young stars are long gone.
the days of big UFA contracts for has beens is also on it's way out.

 

[NateTheGreat]

You have to look at the contract considering what they knew back then, not what you know now (Conn Smythe and the other contracts that were signed after him).

That’s actually the opposite of how RFA contracts work. The vast majority of RFA contracts are negotiated with an understanding that the player is expected to improve during the length of the contract.

The contracts are then evaluated by how the player performs during those RFA years. Makar has already far exceeded his contract value and still has 4 years remaining on his deal.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Manson's contract is at worst market value. GM pay up for these kind of defenseman, did you not see Buffalo pay EJ 3.25M?

It really isn't though. Quite frankly there's not much difference these days between EJ and Manson. Neither guy should really be playing in your top 4, both guys are regressing, both guys dealing with injuries fairly regularly. Although even in the injuries department EJ has Manson beat, having played 167/191 possible games over the last 2 years, compared to Manson having played just 119/191 games.


It was arguably market value for the Dman he was a year ago. He is substantially worse than that DMan 1 year later however, and at his age he will only continue to regress and the injuries will only continue to be more and more of a problem.

 

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Makar even if you disagree on paper pretty much had no comparison. Even Fox took a year to become truly elite. Makar finished top 10 in Norris voting the season he won the calder. Finished 2nd in Norris voting his 2nd year. So that's basically the point. He was a guy who was going to get an unheard of contract no matter what.

Different positions and 99% of the time you can't do it but I actually think Matthews is the best comparable. Players who were elite from day 1 with very high potential and no risk. Blank check players who you basically have zero leverage with. Matthews got every single dollar. Makar didn't. He could have pushed for an 8 year deal that was ridiculous and got the pushback Matthews/Marner got. He could have went after double digits on a 5-6 year contract in the 10-11 range.

When you look back I don't think Matthews will have left anything on the table assuming he stays healthy. I think Makar's first contract will be one you'd want a re-do with if your his agent. Which is only going to hurt us with his next one .

The initial ask was 5 x 11 btw. I think Liles accidentally spilled the beans on that iirc. They met in the middle here. Makar got a high end RFA deal for a defensemen at the time and set himself up for a big time payday at the end.

 

[ANewHope]

The initial ask was 5 x 11 btw. I think Liles accidentally spilled the beans on that iirc. They met in the middle here. Makar got a high end RFA deal for a defensemen at the time and set himself up for a big time payday at the end.

Which makes sense. It would have been a monster ask for a long term deal. The fact that it didn't even hit double digits is huge. Of course Makar got a high end RFA deal. Outside of McDavid I can't think of a better recent RFA. Matthews would be the only comparable. He had no comparisons on defense. Fox would be the closest but Makar had 2 elite seasons to 1 for Fox. Makar also had the higher ceiling and potential is a big factor with RFA contracts.

Makar for sure set himself up for a huge payday but given how elite he was early on and everything he did on paper he had every opportunity to set himself up better on this contract. The Makar contract had potential to be something you don't see often and instead he signed for 6 x 9. I forget what podcast it was but I wanna say MacKinnon was talking about how they were already chirping him for it lol

 

[Avs9296]

We are talking about the best defenceman in the league. Why is Makars contract even a topic? Can't wait for the season to start, or at the very least training camp so we can talk about real things on the ice.

 

[Foppa2118]

Of course Cale's initial ask was higher than what he settled for and his agent wants to maximize his earnings. That's the same for literally every agent and contract negotiation in history.

The reason players don't always get the max possible in their career isn't for a lack of trying. It's because some players have more leverage than others, and some prefer playing on teams in cities they want to live in than cashing in as much as possible.

Cale will surely have a big contract next but nobody has any idea how big or how it will play out right now.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Is Manson even going to play? That's another question, but makes building the team very hard.

 

[redacted]

Is Manson even going to play? That's another question, but makes building the team very hard.

He’ll play… probably in the range of 40-60 games. Not a full season, but probably won’t be as little as last season.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[redacted]

Decent chance he thrives elsewhere when given a shot. LA would be smart to grab him IMO.

 

[sethro109]

Privating the account makes me think the reason isn't hockey related.

 

[Balthazar]

What's the deal with the Flyers rebuilding and wanting to trade their franchise 25 yo goalie anyway?

 

[Balthazar]

Well...at least 5 players from the Canadian 2018 WJC team went private on Instagram at the same time. Something tells me that we're about to get some news soon. Releasing that on a Friday before the training camps start seems like the best scenario for the NHL...

Carter Hart
Tyler Steenbergen
Brett Howden
Dillon Dubé
Jonah Gadjovich

 

[Alienblood]

Both only bought 1 year of UFA setting up for a much larger payday. Both were at the high end of RFA comparables. Defensemen just typically get less than centers when comparing levels.

It’s entirely possible for contracts to workout for all parties. Makar’s certainly will.

Makar will cash in big time at the end of his deal. Whether short or long term, the number will be high. Makar’s agent is already on the record of maximizing earnings and the rumored first offer to the Avs supports that.

Makar.is a far superior player though.Nd signed significantly cheaper.

What's the deal with the Flyers rebuilding and wanting to trade their franchise 25 yo goalie anyway?

he sucks

 

[The Kingslayer]

Privating the account makes me think the reason isn't hockey related.

Was he on that Canadian WJC team?

 

[nammerus]

Was he on that Canadian WJC team?

Affirmative.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Well...at least 5 players from the Canadian 2018 WJC team went private on Instagram at the same time. Something tells me that we're about to get some news soon. Releasing that on a Friday before the training camps start seems like the best scenario for the NHL...

Carter Hart
Tyler Steenbergen
Brett Howden
Dillon Dubé
Jonah Gadjovich

Read somewhere that Howden and Hart are the ones to private their accounts recently, the other guys had privated accounts before this

 

[dahrougem2]

Everyone is talking about the Sens goaltending but Dorion obviously thinks that Korpisalo can be their Georgiev (ie: long time NHL backup that can become a legit starter when put in a bigger role).

IMO it can happen. I like this move a lot better than his previous bets on broken Matt Murray and old ass Cam Talbot.

Korpisalo sucks. If he couldn't make it work in LA, he won't in Ottawa.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Well...at least 5 players from the Canadian 2018 WJC team went private on Instagram at the same time. Something tells me that we're about to get some news soon. Releasing that on a Friday before the training camps start seems like the best scenario for the NHL...

Carter Hart
Tyler Steenbergen
Brett Howden
Dillon Dubé
Jonah Gadjovich

Holy ****.

 

[The Merchant]

Privating the account makes me think the reason isn't hockey related.

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