Oy! The Avs were never giving him 7 years.
Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread
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Really? Stutzle is a bonefide superstar at 21. Brady Tkachuk is basically Landy. Sanderson is a 1D, Chabot is a fine top pairing guy. The biggest issue there is by far goaltending, but their core is in great shape.
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I actually love that for Ottawa. Obviously some risk but the payout will be worth it if he can reach his potential. Plus Ottawa struggles keeping players. I'm not a huge Chabot fan and think Sanderson has the higher ceiling. I think he has a really high floor as well which helps with the risk. Who knows what #2/3 defensemen are getting 4 years from now. So either a big discount for a 1D or an overpay for a guy who's still really valuable.
Toews is 100% gone IMO. Unrealistic for a contender to trade a 1D with a 4 million dollar cap hit. I think Toews will need to have a down year for him to come back or we have no shot at paying him. His "down year" last season was 50 points, 14th in Norris voting, and still one of the better defensive defensemen in the league.
Toews is 100% gone IMO. Unrealistic for a contender to trade a 1D with a 4 million dollar cap hit. I think Toews will need to have a down year for him to come back or we have no shot at paying him. His "down year" last season was 50 points, 14th in Norris voting, and still one of the better defensive defensemen in the league.
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Sanderson is going to be really good and likely worth it but a $64M extension while having less than 82 GP is a wild stat.
That's a pretty damn good core. Stutzle isn't Mackinnon, but he's a legit 1C and probably will be a Top 10 Center. Tkachuk is a better Landy quite frankly. The Defense isn't quite as good as ours was, but when you add Chychrun to the equation, it's pretty a pretty damn solid group.
They have the ingredients to be a contender for sure.
Yeah some people , he played his best hockey during our Cup run.
For some it just who they like most
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Signing Kadri also would've been a mistake, but not re-signing him left a gaping hole at 2C.
Money was there to replace him, but it was used on Manson and Rodrigues ($6.5M total).
It was a rare misstep by the Avs. It's a tale as old as time: overvalue a role player on a Cup Championship team. Usually it's not the Champs making that mistake, though.
Re-signing Kadri wouldn’t have replaced Kadri of that year. That was a one off. He’s never going to have that kind of season again. He really wasn’t that good the season before he got suspended.
He’s back to being that Kadri according to Flames fans and the few games I watched confirmed that. Refusing to pass the puck and puts poor shot in net all game.
He’s back to being that Kadri according to Flames fans and the few games I watched confirmed that. Refusing to pass the puck and puts poor shot in net all game.
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Had we kept Kadri we wouldn’t have gotten RyJo, who I think will be elite again
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In 2-3 years ALL of the Sens core will be outplaying their contracts. That’s sick and unheard of as far as I can tell. They’ll have a damn long window.
It still would've been an early playoff exit with or without Kadri last year.
This is an unpopular opinion, but moving forward i'd rather gamble on Manson being healthy and RyJo bouncing back then have Kadri for another 7 years. If the cap goes like everyone expects it to, you can get out of Manson's contract relatively pain free. The same can't be said about Kadri's contract.
This is an unpopular opinion, but moving forward i'd rather gamble on Manson being healthy and RyJo bouncing back then have Kadri for another 7 years. If the cap goes like everyone expects it to, you can get out of Manson's contract relatively pain free. The same can't be said about Kadri's contract.
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For anyone upset with how last year played out, the issue shouldn't be that they didn't keep Kadri. It should be that they didn't bring in a 2C.
I loved how Naz fit on the team, and defended him and said he'd have a bounce back contract year when half this place wanted him gone, but he's not the only pathway to a Stanley Cup.
And signing Manson didn't prevent the Avs from bringing in a 2C last year. For whatever reason, they changed their calculus, or deals fell apart, and they didn't follow through on what I'm pretty sure was another plan.
I just don't see their plan being to go into the playoffs with Compher at 2C. Or with just the deadline moves they made. They almost assuredly had other plans. Critique them for the deals they made or didn't make, but they're not stupid enough to have those deadline moves as anywhere near Plan A.
For instance, if the Avs trade for RyJo at 50% at the deadline instead of the summer, then all the issues people have with Manson or losing Kadri or last year in general might have looked very different.
It's always very results oriented when we talk about last year, but there are things could have changed those results, that don't include keeping Kadri or not resigning Manson.
Like Landy or Val being available, Manson not having a high ankle sprain that wouldn't heal, or a 2C trade at the deadline that Manson's presence wouldn't have prevented. The main problem with last year was bad luck, and not following through with likely better deadline plans.
I loved how Naz fit on the team, and defended him and said he'd have a bounce back contract year when half this place wanted him gone, but he's not the only pathway to a Stanley Cup.
And signing Manson didn't prevent the Avs from bringing in a 2C last year. For whatever reason, they changed their calculus, or deals fell apart, and they didn't follow through on what I'm pretty sure was another plan.
I just don't see their plan being to go into the playoffs with Compher at 2C. Or with just the deadline moves they made. They almost assuredly had other plans. Critique them for the deals they made or didn't make, but they're not stupid enough to have those deadline moves as anywhere near Plan A.
For instance, if the Avs trade for RyJo at 50% at the deadline instead of the summer, then all the issues people have with Manson or losing Kadri or last year in general might have looked very different.
It's always very results oriented when we talk about last year, but there are things could have changed those results, that don't include keeping Kadri or not resigning Manson.
Like Landy or Val being available, Manson not having a high ankle sprain that wouldn't heal, or a 2C trade at the deadline that Manson's presence wouldn't have prevented. The main problem with last year was bad luck, and not following through with likely better deadline plans.
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If he needs mandatory maintenance days, let Malinski or somebody get some NHL minutes. He's most important for the playoffs, as you alluded to. He's probably more likely to get hurt as he gets older and because of how he plays, but I am not worried about him being frail. Dude is not frail.
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Or some of them plateau or regress or have chronic injuries. It's great on paper, but betting on all those horses has a lot of risk too. The cap increases and how they develop their cheaper talent will decide how great the strategy worked. Oh, and of course goaltending.
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Sens just need to find a goalie and get a new GM to take that next step.
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TBH, I don’t even think Dorian is an issue. He was held back a lot by Melnyk. He’s made some quality moves since the loss of Melnyk.
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Makar making 9 million for the next 4 seasons is pretty pretty nice.
Like all the long-term deals around bigger talents out of their ELC... balanced risk/reward contract. If all the expected bigger names hit, Ottawa will have a really nice cap situation in the 3-6 year range. They need the cap to go up the next couple though.
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It would probably be a smart idea to plan on getting Malinski some games at some point anyways. I wouldn't even wait until there is a full-blown injury, if there are nagging issues during the season, go ahead and give the guys some games off and get some seasoning of the younger players so when injuries do hit, they'll be better prepared to step in.
I have no worries about the Avs making the playoffs. I just want them as healthy as possible when they start and with as many players having had some good experience as possible.
I think that's a pretty big gamble on Ottawa's part. If he continues his upwards development, then great. Deal looks fantastic. But if hits a wall, this deal could end up looking very ugly. A lot of young Dmen look like amazing for a while, then slam back down to earth. Ghost and Skjei are the first two that come to mind.
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I don’t really think the gamble is too major. Sanderson is already their best shutdown dman. Obviously Sanderson isn’t Makar level, but committing to him is committing to their Makar essentially. He’s going be the anchor of the defense for a longgg time. And if his offense improves it’ll be an even bigger steal in years to come.
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